Posted by nixluva:
Posted by codeunknown:
Thats the most backwards logic I've ever seen. Cap space and picks are "desirable" but they're not "an indicator of success" because some some teams have failed to make good decisions? Look, the 9th pick is a clear advantage over the 23rd pick. Cap space gives you better options to attract better players and, thus, is a clear advantage over no cap space. And players who are good now with high ceilings are better than players who suck now but have high ceilings.
You're speaking in generalities and not being specific. They used cap space to sign Ben Wallace and that was a good short term move. However, simply having cap space and no real FA's to sign with that cap space renders the cap space useless. WHO is it that the Bulls are going to sign now that will improve their team? They need an inside presence and not just anybody. Someone who will force teams to double the post. As it is they're going to have to make a trade for what they need.
In order to land a bigtime talent they'll have to use one of their coveted young players too. As I pointed out, Deng is the guy that Memphis wanted in a trade for Pau. No one is just gonna give Chicago what it needs for nothing. Paxson took a chance and passed on the deal and now he's in a tougher position, cuz teams KNOW that the Bulls aren't good enough to advance without that key Big. Now they're gonna be harder to negotiate with. He's gonna have to give up something to get something.
Posted by codeunknown:
You talk about team development as if the Bulls have reached a certain threshold, where they are going to remain. Just waiting for the Knick to catch up. In a moment of clarity, you'd see that the Knick's have less picks, less cap space, and worse youth - its obvious that, if anything, the Knicks are the ones trapped at the threshold of mediocrity.
I do believe that the Bulls have a very limited range of improvement left with the current roster they have. Unless they make some moves that team isn't going to get that much better. They're roster isn't setup for getting much better. Kirk, Gordon and Deng aren't going to suddenly all score a lot more and dominate games from the perimeter. PJ and Ben are old. Tyrus is limited and IMO years away from being an offensive threat. I'm telling you that the Knicks will bridge that gap quickly if the Bulls aren't able to pull off a big trade for a bigman.
My goodness, Nixluva. You're telling me there are no FAs left for the Bulls to sign over the next 2 years? You're telling me that the Bulls players won't improve but the Knicks players suddenly will? You're telling me that the Bulls, with one of the youngest teams in the league, have the pressure to win now or else? And you're telling me that the only way for the Bulls to really improve is to get a superstar post player? And I'm the one speaking in generalities? Nixluva, you've got to be clinically delusional if you actually believe that. Your "position" seems desperate and even phony at times.
Look, I won't even address the garbage that there aren't any free agents. You look it up. And the crap about the Knicks players only getting better is just as farcical. Once again, the Bulls youth have better ball handling, better shooting, better defense, better athletes. There's every reason to think that they have more upside and will continue to outperform the Knicks. Its not even just Gordon, Hinrich and Deng - its Sefalosha and Ty Thomas, this years pick and next year's pick.
But, most of all, get rid of your rigid and, well, bizarre notion that the only way to win is with a post-up center. What the Bulls need is a bigger 4/5 that can shoot from outside - a floor spacer who can be a legitimate threat on the pick and roll. That alone significantly upgrades the offense and puts them on par with the Pistons.
Or they can start Sefalosha (I know, all he did was put the clamps on D-Wade) and trade Gordon and Nocioni for Gasol or O'Neal.
Or, with the 9th pick, they can take Spencer Hawes, a 6-11 center effective in the high post - that would spell trouble for obvious reasons.
Or, and here's the clincher, they can take POST-UP big man ROY HIBBERT at #9 and then sign Vince Carter and then laugh in your face.
Or they could take Julian Wright or Corey Brewer and trade Deng and Nocioni for Kevin Garnett. You get the picture.
There are multiple combinations and all of them bode well for the Bulls. Many of the teams above are championship contenders. The possibilities are endless when you're not Isiah.
Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
