The Key Is To Build Around Curry...
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joec32033
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4/21/2007 5:07 PM
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Bonn1997
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4/21/2007 7:14 PM
You guys blame Curry, but he's staying here and that's a fact.That doesn't mean we have to be happy with him or even endorse the idea of building around him. You SHOULD be blaming Isiah for not building a team that could maximize his potential. We need shooters and defenders, and instead we have a bunch of ball hogging chuckers.Why not blame both? Curry doesn't do his part by showing up in top shape and Isiah is a bad GM? Curry may not be perfect, but I'll take him over Francis, Crawford, Nate, and FryeI'll take none of the above |
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bobs3304
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4/21/2007 8:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997: That's true, but you might as well, caz he's not going anywhere... Why not blame both? Curry doesn't do his part by showing up in top shape and Isiah is a bad GM? He'll be in better shape next summer, and thing's are looking better cap-wise. I'll take none of the above Then go cheer for the Nets... DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure.
And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Solace
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4/22/2007 1:04 AM
Posted by joec32033: Great photo. It shows the undeniable truth that the lovers NEVER respond to: Eddy Curry INTENTIONALLY moves out of the way on defense. If he gave the effort and couldn't hack it, that would be one thing. He's a level below that because he's NOT TRYING on defense. For what? A few extra minutes a game? Play hard or don't play at all. Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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Bonn1997
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4/22/2007 7:08 AM
Then go cheer for the Nets...I wish I could cheer for the Nets or another team but I can't. I don't get the same satisfaction that I used to get from seeing the Knicks win and still get from hoping that one day they'll be good again. He'll be in better shape next summerBased on what? Your prayers? |
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nixluva
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4/22/2007 11:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:Then go cheer for the Nets...I wish I could cheer for the Nets or another team but I can't. I don't get the same satisfaction that I used to get from seeing the Knicks win and still get from hoping that one day they'll be good again.He'll be in better shape next summerBased on what? Your prayers? I can understand that you don't get the same satisfaction out of wins now, being that the team isn't ready to challenge for the title. Of course you enjoy wins more when a team is on that level, but you have to understand the stage of development this team is at. We're just now starting to rebuild this team with a bunch of young guys having to play a lot of minutes. This year we were able to establish Curry as a focal point, but the team still needs to be improved to make that work at it's best. EVERYONE knows this, including Isiah and Dolan. I'm sure that Isiah will do everything he can to try to add the help we need and continue to develop the talent we already have. Curry came to camp in better shape this year than he did last year and proved it by being able to play longer and more effectively. I believe that he will work hard and be even better next year. I think he really does want to be better. He may NEVER be a perfect player, but he can be a VERY effective part of this team. As for the rest of the team. Did you not LOVE how Lee improved this year? How about Balkman and Collins? Those guys are part of this team too. Frye and Jared were big disappointments this year and i'm hopeful that they'll come back better. We have to wait and see how Morris develops but he seems to have some good skills. I think year 2 under Isiah will be a much bigger success and you won't feel so bad next year. |
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Bonn1997
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4/22/2007 1:54 PM
We're just starting to rebuild? WTF was Isiah doing the past four years and Dolan the past ten?
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nixluva
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4/22/2007 2:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997: Come on man you know full well that Dolan didn't allow Isiah to rebuild when he 1st got here. He wanted to make the playoffs and he wanted to try and make it work with H2O still on the books for quit a few more years. At the time we still had KT as well and If H2O could've returned that would at least have been a team that could make the playoffs. Dolan didn't know that H2O wasn't going to ever make it back. Once that was more clear, Dolan allowed Isiah to go with the idea of getting much younger and we see that in the last 2 years Isiah has done just that. Jared 25 Curry 24 Frye 23 Lee 23 Nate 22 Balkman 22 Collins 22 Morris 21 Draft Pick? Heck even Jamal and Q are still very much in their primes. This team is as i've said many times at the early stages and not at the end. We have a very good opportunity to still refine this team and get it to where we want it to be. In 2 years we all know the salary cap situation will be much better, especially if Isiah stands pat and doesn't add anymore huge salary. By then this team will still be young enough to take full advantage of going after a FA at that time. Things just aren't as bad as it might seem. |
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Bonn1997
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4/22/2007 3:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:Sadly that's all he still cares about. Otherwise, he would have stopped Isiah from giving up seven draft picks to get Marbury and Curry.Posted by Bonn1997: |
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BlueSeats
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4/22/2007 5:10 PM
Curry is a nice offensive weapon, but when you consider other aspects of the game he falls considerably. For instance, looking at his Efficiency rating puts him at 15th amongst centers, and 70th amongst all players:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/07/16/eff And when we look at the team's center position EFF differential we rank 24th in the league. IOW, center is a weak spot for the Knicks relative to the league. So in spite of their size, the combined efforts of Eddy, Frye, James and Cato aren't serving justice: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/positionstats/07/10/diffeff And in match-ups against top 10 centers Eddy has won 4 match-ups (Jefferson 2x, Amare and Chandler each once) and lost 7 (Amare, Camby, OK4, Brand, Jefferson, Howard, Okur). Of Eddy's 81 starts this year he only won 43 of his match-ups, which is just slightly more than half, making him roughly average at his position - which makes sense for his #15 ranking. Is it a crime to be average in this league? No. Is it a crime for the Knicks to build a mediocre team around an average player? You decide. |
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misterearl
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4/22/2007 5:21 PM
BlueSeats - other than the incessant bitching and moaning about the "average" Eddy Curry, what would you propose as a viable solution to the Knicks desperate and tragic plight?
Ranking... schmanking... [Edited by - misterearl on 04-22-2007 5:34 PM] once a knick always a knick
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BlueSeats
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4/22/2007 5:58 PM
Posted by misterearl: |
The Key Is To Build Around Curry...