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codeunknown
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4/2/2007  1:04 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I was making some general observations, I didn't think I had to make a specific point in regards to a solution to Frye's woes. However, i'll say that I think Frye has certain limitations, but he COULD be more effective if there was a bit more of an attempt to get him involved in the gameplan early in games. Frye needs touches like most good shooters. In our offense right now, he doesn't really get those touches. The offense isn't diverse enough right now. If we included him more and had him actually touching the ball on more plays per game, I think that would help. In the games when he's had success, his attempts were up, but also they seem to have more of a focus on getting him involved in the plays. Setting picks, swinging the ball, post ups, heck, even on cuts to the basket. Frye has a decent enough set of skills to warrant that. His FOCUS in games is higher when they keep him involved. This year there has been far too much time that passes without him touching the ball or even being involved in the play at all. So then you get the standing around problem.

For guys like Lee and Balkman, since they aren't really ever looking to fill the role of a release man or pick and pop guy or even as a shooter coming off a curl, it's much easier for them to focus on the other things, since that's pretty much all we expect them to do. They aren't expected to be out there waiting to make a shot if needed, so they don't stay outside and they don't move out into the open areas waiting for the pass so they can spot up and shoot. That's not what they do. Frye on the other hand IS expected to do those things right now. If we give him some more post ups and pick and roll plays maybe he'd be in better position more often. Instead we're asking him to move into that open area of the floor AWAY from the basket so Curry and work. WHY? Cuz he's CAN shoot for a decent % and we need that.

In the course of your observations, it seems to me that you're just repeating obvious facts. Frye can shoot better, he has the disadvantage of playing away from the basket, he needs more touches early etc. etc. So, maybe it would be more constructive if you answered these questions directly - 1) Can Curry and Frye coexist with any kind of efficiency? 2) Do you see Frye being disapopinted with his limited role in the future? 3) Hypothetically, whats your opinion of running a substantial portion of the offense through Frye? 4) If we're going to use Frye as a jumpshooter and a hesitant one at that, how would you feel about trading him for better value?
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codeunknown
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4/2/2007  1:12 AM
Posted by oohah:

The only way to solve this argument is with baseless number predictions. Then I will pick the winner. Okay here goes:

If Lee were utilized exactly the way Frye was this past Season:

David Lee
7.5 points, 9 rebounds, 52% Field Goal Percentage.

If Frye were utilized exactly the way Lee was this past season:

Channing Frye:
13 points, 8 Rebounds, 48% Field Goal Percentage.

oohah

Lee: 9 pts 9.6 rbg 54%
Frye: 13 pts 6.5 rbg 48%
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nixluva
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4/2/2007  1:29 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by nixluva:

I was making some general observations, I didn't think I had to make a specific point in regards to a solution to Frye's woes. However, i'll say that I think Frye has certain limitations, but he COULD be more effective if there was a bit more of an attempt to get him involved in the gameplan early in games. Frye needs touches like most good shooters. In our offense right now, he doesn't really get those touches. The offense isn't diverse enough right now. If we included him more and had him actually touching the ball on more plays per game, I think that would help. In the games when he's had success, his attempts were up, but also they seem to have more of a focus on getting him involved in the plays. Setting picks, swinging the ball, post ups, heck, even on cuts to the basket. Frye has a decent enough set of skills to warrant that. His FOCUS in games is higher when they keep him involved. This year there has been far too much time that passes without him touching the ball or even being involved in the play at all. So then you get the standing around problem.

For guys like Lee and Balkman, since they aren't really ever looking to fill the role of a release man or pick and pop guy or even as a shooter coming off a curl, it's much easier for them to focus on the other things, since that's pretty much all we expect them to do. They aren't expected to be out there waiting to make a shot if needed, so they don't stay outside and they don't move out into the open areas waiting for the pass so they can spot up and shoot. That's not what they do. Frye on the other hand IS expected to do those things right now. If we give him some more post ups and pick and roll plays maybe he'd be in better position more often. Instead we're asking him to move into that open area of the floor AWAY from the basket so Curry and work. WHY? Cuz he's CAN shoot for a decent % and we need that.

In the course of your observations, it seems to me that you're just repeating obvious facts. Frye can shoot better, he has the disadvantage of playing away from the basket, he needs more touches early etc. etc. So, maybe it would be more constructive if you answered these questions directly - 1) Can Curry and Frye coexist with any kind of efficiency? 2) Do you see Frye being disapopinted with his limited role in the future? 3) Hypothetically, whats your opinion of running a substantial portion of the offense through Frye? 4) If we're going to use Frye as a jumpshooter and a hesitant one at that, how would you feel about trading him for better value?

It seems like someone is a bit of a control freak. Why do you have to be the one who sets the ground rules for what is an acceptable post? For all of your use of big words, it seems your reading comprehension could use some work. I actually did express some specifics in my post, if you had actually paid attention. I addressed the issue of Curry and Frye co-existing in a previous post. I already said that I think they should work well together, provided Frye is being used properly. Curry can still be just as effective while also including Frye in a more diverse manner in the offense. He's had games like that this year. I think that Isiah and the guards have to be more focused on making sure that happens. So far in most games they tend to ignore Frye or at most view him as a last resort. Until that changes, it will always be harder for Frye if he's given such a limiting role. A role that sets him up to look bad in comparison to guys like Lee and Balkman.
codeunknown
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4/2/2007  2:08 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by nixluva:

I was making some general observations, I didn't think I had to make a specific point in regards to a solution to Frye's woes. However, i'll say that I think Frye has certain limitations, but he COULD be more effective if there was a bit more of an attempt to get him involved in the gameplan early in games. Frye needs touches like most good shooters. In our offense right now, he doesn't really get those touches. The offense isn't diverse enough right now. If we included him more and had him actually touching the ball on more plays per game, I think that would help. In the games when he's had success, his attempts were up, but also they seem to have more of a focus on getting him involved in the plays. Setting picks, swinging the ball, post ups, heck, even on cuts to the basket. Frye has a decent enough set of skills to warrant that. His FOCUS in games is higher when they keep him involved. This year there has been far too much time that passes without him touching the ball or even being involved in the play at all. So then you get the standing around problem.

For guys like Lee and Balkman, since they aren't really ever looking to fill the role of a release man or pick and pop guy or even as a shooter coming off a curl, it's much easier for them to focus on the other things, since that's pretty much all we expect them to do. They aren't expected to be out there waiting to make a shot if needed, so they don't stay outside and they don't move out into the open areas waiting for the pass so they can spot up and shoot. That's not what they do. Frye on the other hand IS expected to do those things right now. If we give him some more post ups and pick and roll plays maybe he'd be in better position more often. Instead we're asking him to move into that open area of the floor AWAY from the basket so Curry and work. WHY? Cuz he's CAN shoot for a decent % and we need that.

In the course of your observations, it seems to me that you're just repeating obvious facts. Frye can shoot better, he has the disadvantage of playing away from the basket, he needs more touches early etc. etc. So, maybe it would be more constructive if you answered these questions directly - 1) Can Curry and Frye coexist with any kind of efficiency? 2) Do you see Frye being disapopinted with his limited role in the future? 3) Hypothetically, whats your opinion of running a substantial portion of the offense through Frye? 4) If we're going to use Frye as a jumpshooter and a hesitant one at that, how would you feel about trading him for better value?

It seems like someone is a bit of a control freak. Why do you have to be the one who sets the ground rules for what is an acceptable post? For all of your use of big words, it seems your reading comprehension could use some work. I actually did express some specifics in my post, if you had actually paid attention. I addressed the issue of Curry and Frye co-existing in a previous post. I already said that I think they should work well together, provided Frye is being used properly. Curry can still be just as effective while also including Frye in a more diverse manner in the offense. He's had games like that this year. I think that Isiah and the guards have to be more focused on making sure that happens. So far in most games they tend to ignore Frye or at most view him as a last resort. Until that changes, it will always be harder for Frye if he's given such a limiting role. A role that sets him up to look bad in comparison to guys like Lee and Balkman.

Speaking of comprehension, it would be nice for you to start by realizing that I didn't define an acceptable post. I merely asked a few questions and, as usual, you shot off like a 12 year old near his keyboard. Are you intimidated by big words? Because if you are, you should see a counselor.

Lets go back to comprehension. Your response regarding the coexistance of Curry and Frye was superficial. In what way will Curry be just as effective with Frye getting a chunk of his post-ups? Vague bull**** is your trademark. And then you flatter yourself like a moron about you great of a fan you are. I mean I know you love New York but you need to take the viking helmet off your head and that clock off your neck.
Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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