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nixluva
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2/27/2007  2:59 PM
Well as usual we can depend on the usual suspects to continue to dump on this team. It's just not enough for some of you that this team is at least fighting to get into the playoffs. While so many are quick to mention that we don't have a superstar, which is true, we STILL are much closer to having a TEAM that can eventually become a contender much like the Pistons have. We don't have a couple of superstars like most bigtime teams, but we have a bunch of talented players that are developing as a team.

Jamal is a player we can survive without if we get decent performances from guys like Q, Nate and maybe Collins. The 3 key players on this team that we need healthy are Steph, Curry and Lee. After that the players are somewhat less important individually. This team is not as bad as so many make it out to be. Yes we've been up and down, but right now we're actually on pace to have a winning month for Feb. So things are getting better in my mind.

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2/27/2007  2:59 PM
Actually you must be dolan.

If you in the league for 7 years and you still don't defend, rebound, blk shots, pass consistently and at least get your hands up when someone drives the paint, you idea of progression is a little shewed.

Not to mention he has come into camp in shape once in 7 years, his contract year, if your happy with that we will never become a relevant franchise again
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2/27/2007  3:02 PM
Thats why i don't know why everyone is all that crazy about the loss, the only time i am worried about not having crawford is the final five minutes.

Most Important Players
1. Marbury
2. Lee
3. Curry
4. Q
5. Crawford

And I put Q ahead of Jamal because he at least spaces the floor and we looked lost when he wasn't there and eddy was getting killed down low.

I think we will be a much more effective team to start the game, however isiah will continue to use jefferies too much. You can't put a price on effort and thats why I need lee in there for 40 and balkman for 25. Nate will pick up the slack
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2/27/2007  3:03 PM
Posted by MS:

Actually you must be dolan.

If you in the league for 7 years and you still don't defend, rebound, blk shots, pass consistently and at least get your hands up when someone drives the paint, you idea of progression is a little shewed.

Not to mention he has come into camp in shape once in 7 years, his contract year, if your happy with that we will never become a relevant franchise again

Why do you do this? Who cares how long he's been in the league? Does that even matter at this point? All that matters is that he's young enough to be a focal point for this team for a good while longer. Let's just get behind this team and hope they can get the final pieces we need to get to the next level. WHY MUST YOU HATE?

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2/27/2007  3:06 PM
GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- The Knicks playoff push took a huge blow on Tuesday when they learned that starting guard Jamal Crawford will likely need season-ending surgery to repair a stress fracture in his right ankle.

Crawford, who hit the clinching three-pointer in Monday's 99-93 win over the Heat, had been feeling pain in his ankle for "2-3 weeks," he said on Tuesday. He had X-rays after Monday's game and an MRI and CT scan on Tuesday morning.

Link: http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix0228,0,1354715.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix

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2/27/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by MS:

Thats why i don't know why everyone is all that crazy about the loss, the only time i am worried about not having crawford is the final five minutes.

Most Important Players
1. Marbury
2. Lee
3. Curry
4. Q
5. Crawford

And I put Q ahead of Jamal because he at least spaces the floor and we looked lost when he wasn't there and eddy was getting killed down low.

I think we will be a much more effective team to start the game, however isiah will continue to use jefferies too much. You can't put a price on effort and thats why I need lee in there for 40 and balkman for 25. Nate will pick up the slack

Craw is a lot more important than Q...not even close...Craw is more important than Lee as well...He is too much an integral part of the offense to dismiss is contribution...This guy is 18 pts a game with close to 5 assist...

It's..

1 Marbs
2 Curry
3 Craw
4 Lee
5 Q



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-27-2007 3:08 PM]
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2/27/2007  3:07 PM
Knicks need to turn into a slow it down team with epecially Curry & Marbury as the focal points.
Turnovers will decrease and better D will be played.

Pg: Marbury, Collins
Sg: Q-Rich, Nate
Sf: Jefferies, Balkman
Pf: M. Rose, Lee
C: Curry, Frye
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2/27/2007  3:11 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nixluva:

Now as for the team. I believe we can survive his loss.

You actually get a tiny bit of respect from me for not changing your tune and using this as an excuse to bail out and blame it on Craw's injury.
Ditto
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2/27/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by MS:

Thats why i don't know why everyone is all that crazy about the loss, the only time i am worried about not having crawford is the final five minutes.

Most Important Players
1. Marbury
2. Lee
3. Curry
4. Q
5. Crawford

And I put Q ahead of Jamal because he at least spaces the floor and we looked lost when he wasn't there and eddy was getting killed down low.

I think we will be a much more effective team to start the game, however isiah will continue to use jefferies too much. You can't put a price on effort and thats why I need lee in there for 40 and balkman for 25. Nate will pick up the slack

Craw is a lot more important than Q...not even close...Craw is more important than Lee as well...He is too much an integral part of the offense to dismiss is contribution...This guy is 18 pts a game with close to 5 assist...

It's..

1 Marbs
2 Curry
3 Craw
4 Lee
5 Q



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-27-2007 3:08 PM]

Completely agree. He's huge for this team. Some people are talking about it like we just lost Jerome James or something. Jeezzzzzz.....
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2/27/2007  3:15 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by MS:

Thats why i don't know why everyone is all that crazy about the loss, the only time i am worried about not having crawford is the final five minutes.

Most Important Players
1. Marbury
2. Lee
3. Curry
4. Q
5. Crawford

And I put Q ahead of Jamal because he at least spaces the floor and we looked lost when he wasn't there and eddy was getting killed down low.

I think we will be a much more effective team to start the game, however isiah will continue to use jefferies too much. You can't put a price on effort and thats why I need lee in there for 40 and balkman for 25. Nate will pick up the slack

Craw is a lot more important than Q...not even close...Craw is more important than Lee as well...He is too much an integral part of the offense to dismiss is contribution...This guy is 18 pts a game with close to 5 assist...

It's..

1 Marbs
2 Curry
3 Craw
4 Lee
5 Q



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-27-2007 3:08 PM]

Completely agree. He's huge for this team. Some people are talking about it like we just lost Jerome James or something. Jeezzzzzz.....

And on the flip side

Completely agree. He's huge for this team. Some people are talking about it like we just lost Michael Jordan or something. Jeezzzzzz...
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2/27/2007  3:15 PM
Posted by MS:

TMS there is no debating if you think that Isiah has done a good job coaching this team, using the right players, and see progress out there?

We are one of the most turnover prone teams in the league, one of the worst defensive teams in the leauge, lead the the league in techicals.

We have talent here be realistic.

Crawford I don't love him, but he would be one of the better sixth men in the league and one of the leagues best off the dribble players.......

Curry he is a top 7-9 Center in the league

Lee I think you might take 10 power fowards over him (Howard, Bosh, O'neil, Garnett, Dirk, Brand, Amare, Wallace, Odom, Duncan)

Marbury is a competant starter, not spectacular but knows how to get the job done

Q Rich is a middle of the road guy, but he rebounds exceptional at 7 a game and plays solid defense

So I think if you really match us up with a lot of the teams in the east there isn;t a huge talent drop off, we are pretty similiar, if we didn't start francis at the begining of the season and just played at home we would be .500 and in the playoff picture and thats not to say we played amazing.....I think Isiah also cost us a few games with his play calling (please don't tell me throwing the ball to david lee for an opp the couldn't complete 100 times if they tried was genius), timeouts, and the fact that we never use our foul to give and it almost cost us two more games (utah and detriot)

Yeah i think we should be better than we are

all that & yet in every other post you make, you kill Isiah for putting this roster together... like i said, a little consistency is all i'm looking for... i never once said i thought this team was coached well, or that i liked his rotations... i think i've made that fairly clear in past posts... but i do see some progress in guys like D Lee, Curry, & even Marbury this year, which is the biggest shock of them all to me... Isiah deserves at least a little bit of the credit for these things... i don't know how many times i have to repeat the fact that i'm not thrilled w/the job Isiah's done as our GM for you to stop assuming that i am either... just because i don't bash him on every post like you & others doesn't mean i love the guy or that i'd shed a tear if we had a different GM to start next season... i'd give anything to have Jerry Colangelo brought in to fix this mess, & i've pointed that out several times in the past also.

i'm very realistic about this team & about this roster... i think it's a ways from being a contender, & squeaking into the playoffs or not is pretty much irrelevant to me... i'm completely focused on seeing continued improvement in the young players on this team over the long haul & willing to be patient until this team is in a position to make some roster moves via trades or FA signings... until then, don't assume because i don't complain every day the way you do that i'm happy w/the state of these Knicks.
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2/27/2007  3:42 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - me thinketh thou attempts to readeth between the lines way too much

Crawford will be missed

It ain't that deep

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/27/2007  3:42 PM
You can kill Isiah, when you have to watch guys like Jefferies and James even get minutes and be knicks for the next four years. See a guy like francis eating up a roster spot for no reason. You can't afford to just throw away roster spots. And Channing Frye is not a good player, i will stand by that one no matter how good he becomes. I still say we could have top 3 protected the pick, no one thought we were going to be that bad last year so i don't believe it, and don't think you need to take on bad assets to get ok players, thats why i am upset. And you don't do favors to agents of players that haven't accomplished anything in the league and just do things to do them.....

And David Lee is much more important than crawford, You act like its hard to score 18 points as a guard if you are shooting all the time and doing at 40%. And 4.5 assist to almost 3tos is nothing great, he plays o defense so why is everyone acting like we just lost someone that can't be replaced...

Lee does two things better than almost the entire league rebound and shoot at a high percentage not to mention his is a good passer and helps get curry passes in the post, provides energy and makes the team run. So how crawford a very average guard is more important than lee i just don't know
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2/27/2007  3:57 PM
that is a drag about Crawford. I don't know about the team's chances for this year anyway, making the playoffs or not- but he's a good guy and most of the time fun to watch, which for me at least is part of the point in an otherwise mediocre season.
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2/27/2007  4:13 PM
Just heard the news. This is crazy and sad. Crawford is a good kid and a key player on this team. For all his faults, he is one of the few players that is not afraid to shoot in the 4th quarter. That being said, I do see some good in that Balkman should be able to play more. Like others have said, Q will probably be moved to 2 and Jeffries to 3, but I think IT will not be playing Jeffries more than 20-25 minutes, so Balkman should get a solid 15-20 minutes a game if he plays SF and SG, which is good. Plus, we can move Lee to SF and play Lee, Frye, and Curry at the same time more against teams will slower SFs.
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2/27/2007  4:17 PM
Posted by MS:

You can kill Isiah, when you have to watch guys like Jefferies and James even get minutes and be knicks for the next four years. See a guy like francis eating up a roster spot for no reason. You can't afford to just throw away roster spots. And Channing Frye is not a good player, i will stand by that one no matter how good he becomes. I still say we could have top 3 protected the pick, no one thought we were going to be that bad last year so i don't believe it, and don't think you need to take on bad assets to get ok players, thats why i am upset. And you don't do favors to agents of players that haven't accomplished anything in the league and just do things to do them.....

And David Lee is much more important than crawford, You act like its hard to score 18 points as a guard if you are shooting all the time and doing at 40%. And 4.5 assist to almost 3tos is nothing great, he plays o defense so why is everyone acting like we just lost someone that can't be replaced...

Lee does two things better than almost the entire league rebound and shoot at a high percentage not to mention his is a good passer and helps get curry passes in the post, provides energy and makes the team run. So how crawford a very average guard is more important than lee i just don't know

i don't know if you remember, but i was killing Isiah more than anyone here when he signed Jerome James to that contract... when he makes a horrible roster decision, i've blasted him for it... but when i see some young players like D Lee & Curry who i can start to see some promise in, i have no problem giving him credit for it either... that's the difference between you & I... i think you're so blinded by your distaste for him & all the things you don't like about this roster that you can't even see some of the positives.

not sure if you were talking to me about D Lee, but i never said Jamal was more important to this team than Lee... i think D Lee is the most important player on this team, maybe w/the exception of Eddy Curry right now just because of the attention Curry draws from other teams when he's posting up down low... i've been saying it since very early last season that i thought if there was any untouchable on this team, it was D Lee... i was never overly in love w/Channing Frye, but i did like his shooting touch from the perimeter... i wanted Gerald Greene in the draft last year, so Isiah didn't do me any favors by drafting Frye either.
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2/27/2007  4:26 PM
This does suck, but on the bright side maybe he will put on some damn weight resting his ankle and being off the court for the whole season
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2/27/2007  4:26 PM
No complaints with any of that, I can see the positives of DLee considering he is one of the few reasons to be excited, and if curry tries and wants to be great i am not going to kill the deal, but I am just unhappy with the direction of the team because i don't think we have any chance to really improve because he has managed to put together a more untradeble roster that layden which was not thought possible.......

No one is more important than Lee no one....
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2/27/2007  4:41 PM
Posted by TLover:

Knicks need to turn into a slow it down team with epecially Curry & Marbury as the focal points.
Turnovers will decrease and better D will be played.

Pg: Marbury, Collins
Sg: Q-Rich, Nate
Sf: Jefferies, Balkman
Pf: M. Rose, Lee
C: Curry, Frye

Oh Lordly,Isiah is trying to make Marbs Knee pop out of the socket like Livingstons with that lineup..LOL

I am alittle anxious to see how IT response to this............ Crawford brought points, ball handling, getting his own shot and somebody running sets besides marbury to the lineup. I personally would try and replace that with Nate and Collins, but I don't think Isiah will do that.
I would hope this inserts Lee into the starting lineup. It will be Something like this I bet:
Curry/Frye
Rose-JJ1/Lee
JJ2/Balkman
Q/Nate
Marbury/Collins

Lineup should be something like this though:
Curry/Frye
Lee/Frye
Balkman/JJ2
Q/Nate
Marbury/Collins

[Edited by - anji on 02-27-2007 4:44 PM]
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2/27/2007  4:43 PM
This will force Thomas to play Balkman more (surprising he has to be forced to do so), and lets see what Collins is all about. I mean he thought of him well enough to spend a 1st round pick on him. I want to see Nate more or need an explanation why he wasn't move during the summer or before the trade deadline.
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