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2/16/2007  5:55 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth oohah. Im just trying to find out what your reasoning for your post? Like what was the your point. I stated that conclusion because it made the most sense in relating to my post.

Alright im really out to work this time.

My point is that there is more to this issue than just the act of sodomy. I wasn't nitpicking or even trying to diminish the way you feel
I think he said that because I used the word "nitpicking," which I should not have. Sorry newyorknewyork
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2/16/2007  6:42 AM
Posted by oohah:
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I'm not trying to put words in your mouth oohah. Im just trying to find out what your reasoning for your post? Like what was the your point. I stated that conclusion because it made the most sense in relating to my post.

Alright im really out to work this time.

My point is that there is more to this issue than just the act of sodomy. I wasn't nitpicking or even trying to diminish the way you feel, I was just addressing a single point that always leaves me scratching my head because of a double-standard. Many people rip on gays for sodomy, but have no problem with doing it themselves (Not talking about you in particular.). I think it is usually because they only engage in oral sex and consider that normal, or are simply grossed-out by thinking about two men having sex.

oohah

I see where you are comming from now. And you are right about the double standard. A lot of christians are known for being hypocrites.

Why sodomy is so closly linked to homosexuals though, is the fact that any homosexual that wants to get inimtate MUST do so with sodomy. With a male & female, though any sex before marriage is a sin. If they want to be intimate they can do so without sodomy. Sodomy is there choice. There is no choice for homosexuals unless they avoid being intimate.
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2/16/2007  6:55 AM
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Homosexuality is not a religion, and the gays of the community are not out to impose this lifestyle on other people. They live their lives, maybe in weird as all hell ways, but they do it, and they're not out to spread the gayness of the world, just as we straight people are not out to spread heterosexuality. The homos and heteros are out to find a partner for themselves and that's all.

Somebody please explain to me why would someone have to promote or spread heterosexuality ? It's normal

But some have to promote homosexuality to win people over and not feel alone in their own perversion. How would the earth have populated up until now if homosexuality was promoted into every home?

People can do whatever they want personaly, but when you try to educate my 8 yr old with this lifestyle they all ready are born into a mixed up world where wrong is right and right is wrong.

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2/16/2007  7:12 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code. Anything goes, do what feels natural/good as long as one doesn't encroach upon another human's right or violate human governmental law. Many of us possess Bibles but don't use it for the purpose it could serve. It's just another book to many no different than the one Ameachi is coming out with. I try to treat everybody the same. I worked with an openly GAAY man the very first job I ever had and I talked to him like everyone else. I didn't have to say a word to him, he knew where I stood and that I personally didn't approve of his lifestyle. He's still a human being though. If there's ever a moral issue that I'm confronted with by another person or indirectly from myself at the end of the day I tell myself no matter what decisions are made the moral written code(Bible) and the principles for which they stand for is always right.


Chris Broussard's ESPN article on this matter was pretty candid to say the least.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 9:40 PM]

I dare any of you to read Romans 1-24-32 Just read it

Now if you wanna disagree that's between you and God.




Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption.

Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child.

We never had to worry about watching soft porn on commercials during a sporting event when I was a kid growing up.





[Edited by - playa2 on 02-16-2007 10:17]
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2/16/2007  9:53 AM
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To me, the religious debate comes down to whether you believe reason precedes faith or vice versa. I would argue that reason allows you to conceive of faith in the first place and is, thus, a higher instrument of morality. Unfortunately, its not an argument that leaves much room for maneuvering. Those that cite the conversion to Christianity as the starting point towards salvation tautologically equate morality with faith. Even more maddening is the fact that these religious advocates define faith as a priveleged experience, indefinable and irrefutable by reason. In other words, they're right because they know they're right. Conversely, not only am I wrong but also, apparently, neglected by God. Its ironic that I'm the one doing the saving when I waive my fees for these people.

There's really not too much else to say. Other than I have quite a bit of respect for Blueseats, TMS, Fishmike and Oohah.

appreciate it dude... likewise.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-16-2007 09:53 AM]
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2/16/2007  9:57 AM
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you sure God didn't take a couple bills out of Adam's wallet & buy His creation which He called woman? cuz it sure seems like women take a big chunk out of my wallet every time i meet one.

TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!

Yo, now that I think about it. Its costing me 17% of my pay every 2 weeks just because of my heterosexual pervertion! Let alone the various bitches I tend to meet.

So why not just be Gay. Not a bad idea. I guess I can literally fight the dude for child support. That is just a better deal.

Hey TMS, what you doing later? LMAO!!!

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2/16/2007  10:18 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code. Anything goes, do what feels natural/good as long as one doesn't encroach upon another human's right or violate human governmental law. Many of us possess Bibles but don't use it for the purpose it could serve. It's just another book to many no different than the one Ameachi is coming out with. I try to treat everybody the same. I worked with an openly GAAY man the very first job I ever had and I talked to him like everyone else. I didn't have to say a word to him, he knew where I stood and that I personally didn't approve of his lifestyle. He's still a human being though. If there's ever a moral issue that I'm confronted with by another person or indirectly from myself at the end of the day I tell myself no matter what decisions are made the moral written code(Bible) and the principles for which they stand for is always right.


Chris Broussard's ESPN article on this matter was pretty candid to say the least.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 9:40 PM]

I dare any of you to read Romans 1-24-32 Just read it

Now if you wanna disagree that's between you and God.




Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption.

Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child.

We never had to worry about watching soft porn on commercials during a sporting event when I was a kid growing up.



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2/16/2007  10:56 AM
Who wrote the Bible? God? OR some dudes a few hundred years after Jesus?

ANd for the record, I have had more "Born again" who in my experience are "Born again" after being an abuser of Booze or drugs get in my grill and try to convert me than any of the many gay folk I know!

Also the world is far more dangerous with ANY fundamental orthodox religion running the show! Either Jew, Christian, or Muslims they are a hating group with no tolerance to anyone but themselves. OUr planet has a long history of genicide all in the name of ones god!

To quote verbatim and claim it as absolute with no thought to modern science or social evolution is as plain backward as a the talaban.

You don't like gay people fine, but if they are not trying to convert you, one should not to try to convert them! Im sure if they had their choice they would take a path that does not ostrosize them as freaks and outcasts.

I think the best way to describe all of this is to say "I hate extreme Stereotypes"! Chris Rock tried that one a few years ago and it was funny and I dare not say it. But I can't it, but he can! I hate the extremes in my racial group as well. I guess ignorant people who do and say stupid things are worse than the actual hate they spew.

Kinda like when Net fans say "I hate the Knicks!"

[Edited by - nalod on 02-16-2007 10:58 AM]
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2/16/2007  11:26 AM
Wow... this thread is ridiculous. All of a sudden I like oohah!!! (but not that way) HAHA!!! Anyway, I'm not gonna judge anyone in here, even though I think there is a lot ignorance on display. It's really ashame. I thought we were further along than this, but I guess not.

I wish someone came out on this board and set some people straight (HAHA -- no pun intended). Despite the apparent lack of gays on this forum, there are some great posts in support of letting people live their lives. I'm very surprised that there are no gay people here. In reality, there probably are at least a few -- and from reading this thread you can probably figure out who. And it might be kinda surprising to some.

If you haven't figured it out, I love gay people as long as their good people. Obviously, I don't judge whether someone is good or not based on whether they like to bone the same sex. And this whole religion thing has gotten a bit out of hand, no? People here want to call homosexuality a perversion -- when there are priests and rabbis out there molesting children. These are holy people and they are the biggest perverts around. Now, I'm not saying all holy people molest children. I'm just saying that being religious does not necessarily mean you are good. Just like I don't think being gay necessarily makes you bad. So keep that in mind when you try to flex your religious juice card.

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2/16/2007  11:31 AM
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2/16/2007  11:47 AM
Posted by eViL:

This video is for Tim Hardaway.


i find myself curiously aroused by that video eViL
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2/16/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Allanfan20:



Homosexuality is not a religion, and the gays of the community are not out to impose this lifestyle on other people. They live their lives, maybe in weird as all hell ways, but they do it, and they're not out to spread the gayness of the world, just as we straight people are not out to spread heterosexuality. The homos and heteros are out to find a partner for themselves and that's all.

Somebody please explain to me why would someone have to promote or spread heterosexuality ? It's normal
According to the American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association, so is homosexuality
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2/16/2007  12:43 PM
I wish someone came out on this board and set some people straight (HAHA -- no pun intended). Despite the apparent lack of gays on this forum, there are some great posts in support of letting people live their lives. I'm very surprised that there are no gay people here. In reality, there probably are at least a few -- and from reading this thread you can probably figure out who.
I'm not sure about that. I'm a liberal democrat and I fight for everyone's rights, including homosexuals and other groups that I believe are unfairly disadvantaged. I am heterosexual, though (despite the gay robot jokes! )

BTW, I had no idea this thread would get 132 replies! I wasn't sure if anyone was going to reply actually. The thread's gotten pretty crazy!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-16-2007 12:44 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
I wish someone came out on this board and set some people straight (HAHA -- no pun intended). Despite the apparent lack of gays on this forum, there are some great posts in support of letting people live their lives. I'm very surprised that there are no gay people here. In reality, there probably are at least a few -- and from reading this thread you can probably figure out who.
I'm not sure about that. I'm a liberal democrat and I fight for everyone's rights, including homosexuals and other groups that I believe are unfairly disadvantaged. I am heterosexual, though (despite the gay robot jokes! )

BTW, I had no idea this thread would get 132 replies! I wasn't sure if anyone was going to reply actually. The thread's gotten pretty crazy!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-16-2007 12:44 PM]

these sorts of threads create good discussion points. I am a little surprised, happily so, at the tone of the posts. Lot of different views and we could have collectively gone south very fast on this one.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Allanfan20:



Homosexuality is not a religion, and the gays of the community are not out to impose this lifestyle on other people. They live their lives, maybe in weird as all hell ways, but they do it, and they're not out to spread the gayness of the world, just as we straight people are not out to spread heterosexuality. The homos and heteros are out to find a partner for themselves and that's all.

Somebody please explain to me why would someone have to promote or spread heterosexuality ? It's normal
According to the American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association, so is homosexuality

Supposedly, there are a lot more gay people then we think. It's become quite the norm in the modern day.
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Posted by Nalod:

Who wrote the Bible? God? OR some dudes a few hundred years after Jesus?

ANd for the record, I have had more "Born again" who in my experience are "Born again" after being an abuser of Booze or drugs get in my grill and try to convert me than any of the many gay folk I know!

Now I understand why you maybe spell dolan's name backwards nalod and previously neydal for layden.

IMHO anybody who's a former as you say drug abuse or boozer that has changed their life around would be a better example than someone who could would show your child an alternate lifestyle that would never allow you to enjoy your grandchildren.

Hating on anyone should never be tolerated, but one thing I have learned ....where the purpose of a thing is not known(MAN FOR WOMEN) , abuse is inevitable.

ADAM AND EVE NOT /ADAM AND STEVE. I guess our country is in a advanced stage of decay. RIGHT IS WRONG AND WRONG IS RIGHT.

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Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code. Anything goes, do what feels natural/good as long as one doesn't encroach upon another human's right or violate human governmental law. Many of us possess Bibles but don't use it for the purpose it could serve. It's just another book to many no different than the one Ameachi is coming out with. I try to treat everybody the same. I worked with an openly GAAY man the very first job I ever had and I talked to him like everyone else. I didn't have to say a word to him, he knew where I stood and that I personally didn't approve of his lifestyle. He's still a human being though. If there's ever a moral issue that I'm confronted with by another person or indirectly from myself at the end of the day I tell myself no matter what decisions are made the moral written code(Bible) and the principles for which they stand for is always right.


Chris Broussard's ESPN article on this matter was pretty candid to say the least.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 9:40 PM]

I dare any of you to read Romans 1-24-32 Just read it

Now if you wanna disagree that's between you and God.




Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption.

Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child.

We never had to worry about watching soft porn on commercials during a sporting event when I was a kid growing up.



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Posted by playa2:
Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code. Anything goes, do what feels natural/good as long as one doesn't encroach upon another human's right or violate human governmental law. Many of us possess Bibles but don't use it for the purpose it could serve. It's just another book to many no different than the one Ameachi is coming out with. I try to treat everybody the same. I worked with an openly GAAY man the very first job I ever had and I talked to him like everyone else. I didn't have to say a word to him, he knew where I stood and that I personally didn't approve of his lifestyle. He's still a human being though. If there's ever a moral issue that I'm confronted with by another person or indirectly from myself at the end of the day I tell myself no matter what decisions are made the moral written code(Bible) and the principles for which they stand for is always right.


Chris Broussard's ESPN article on this matter was pretty candid to say the least.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 9:40 PM]

I dare any of you to read Romans 1-24-32 Just read it

Now if you wanna disagree that's between you and God.




Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption.

Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child.

We never had to worry about watching soft porn on commercials during a sporting event when I was a kid growing up.





[Edited by - playa2 on 02-16-2007 10:17]


I guess what it would get down to, if you possess a Bible but don't feel it's all that good of reference to live by because it was written by imperfect man without inspiration, why possess one? Because your mom told you so or your great grandpa gave it to you, or it's been passed down through the fam?


If you look the word Christian up in the dictionary what does it say?


Once again I looking at it from the side of those who call themselves Christian.


The proof is in the state of human affairs and overall we're deteriorating morally.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian

A Christian is a follower of Jesus of Nazareth, referred to as the Christ. Christians believe Jesus to be the Son of God, who lived a life befitting that of the Creator of the universe, free of sin and full of love, who at the end of his earthly life was crucified, and then on the third day, rose from the dead, and later ascended into heaven, with the promise to return.

Christians believe that Jesus offers the only path to salvation, and that it is only possible because of him. Paul of Tarsus' Epistle to the Ephesians, a key work in early development of Christian doctrine, states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Christians believe that salvation cannot be earned, but can only come as a gift from God. Good works, however, are a result of living according to the teachings of Jesus.

Christians identify themselves as monotheistic, believing that there is one God. Most sects believe in a triune God made up of: Father (the Source, the Eternal Majesty); the Son (the eternal Logos or Word, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth); and the Holy Spirit (the Paraclete or advocate). Today, it is estimated that there are around 2.1 billion Christians in the world making up 33% of the world population, with the largest Christian denomination being Roman Catholicism.[2]

Some Christians or denominations do not necessarily hold the above beliefs, see nontrinitarianism.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm not sure about that. I'm a liberal democrat and I fight for everyone's rights, including homosexuals and other groups that I believe are unfairly disadvantaged. I am heterosexual, though (despite the gay robot jokes! )

BTW, I had no idea this thread would get 132 replies! I wasn't sure if anyone was going to reply actually. The thread's gotten pretty crazy!

Nah dude, I wasn't calling you gay. I'm not calling anyone gay. But I will say this -- some people hate themselves for who they are because they can't cope with feeling like they are not "normal". There are gay people, right now, spewing some very anti-gay things because they have no idea how to handle being gay. I'm not saying anyone here is doing that. I'm just saying that it happens.
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