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Bonn1997
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1/20/2007  10:07 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by misterearl:

>>Shocking, Lee gets minutes and Lee puts up huge numbers. What does the man have to do to convince Isiah that he NEEDS to play at least 35 minutes.

Bernard - Lee led the Knicks with 44 minutes and 40 seconds

Thew only other player over 40 min was Quentin

I'm thankful he's finally over Brandy

Not enough. Lee needs to play 60 minutes a game.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-20-2007 22:05]

He needs more than the 27 mpg he's averaging as a bench player. He's put up 13 and 12 with almost 1 block as a starter. This is the only organization that wouldn't start such a player.
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1/20/2007  10:08 PM
Rich - don't wear the young man to a nub

In only his sophomore year, after being jerked around by Larry Brown, Lee has been brought along gradually and allowed to suceed by the man who had the vision to draft him

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1/20/2007  10:10 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Rich - don't wear the young man to a nub

In only his sophomore year, after being jerked around by Larry Brown, Lee has been brought along gradually and allowed to suceed by the man who had the vision to draft him

Me like

Two points:

1) Are you serious? How can you excuse the inexcusable?

2) Why is it so hard to use the quote feature?
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1/20/2007  10:10 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by misterearl:

>>Shocking, Lee gets minutes and Lee puts up huge numbers. What does the man have to do to convince Isiah that he NEEDS to play at least 35 minutes.

Bernard - Lee led the Knicks with 44 minutes and 40 seconds

Thew only other player over 40 min was Quentin

I'm thankful he's finally over Brandy

Not enough. Lee needs to play 60 minutes a game.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-20-2007 22:05]

Why stop there?

Seriously, Lee is averaging 30 min a game - 3 more than Frye.

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1/20/2007  10:10 PM
2) Why is it so hard to use the quote feature?
HAHAHA! I've been wondering that too.
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1/20/2007  10:10 PM
2) Why is it so hard to use the quote feature?
HAHAHA! I've been wondering that too.
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1/20/2007  10:11 PM
Posted by anrst:

As Kenny Smith once said, (and I paraphrase) 'Curry is 6'10 200-and-whatever-pounds, and he doens't block shots. That's okay, some guys can't do all facets of the game'

so I guess the same applie to rebounding.

So one game where he has 1 rebound means he can't rebound. So if I get robbed one day by a young black man does that mean that I should believe that all young black men are criminals?

It's the same logic.

How about looking at his rebounding AVERAGE rather than one game. Curry has had games where he does poorly on the boards, and games where he has done VERY well. He also has games where he gets a lot of rebounds and does a good job but has moments of lapse where he does not put in the effort to grab some rebounds. He's not a very good rebounder, but he doesn't stink. There are other centers who rebound less than he does and he is actually the 10th best rebounding center in the league per game. Per 40 minutes is where he drops, but he still at 10.4 which ranks him per 40 minutes a game higher than guys like Brad Miller, Steven Hunter, Jason Collins, etc., but towards the bottom of the list of centers in the NBA, currently.

However, what is interesting to note is that there appears to be a higher proportion of forwards with higher averages at rebounding per 40 mpg than centers. In other words, it appears that forwards tend to be better rebounders than centers, which may come as a surprise to some. So maybe it isn't as common to expect centers to be the team's best rebounder, even if they are bigger than forwards. This isn't meant to excuse Curry's inconsistent rebounding but interesting to note. My point is that while he isn't a good rebounder, he isn't bad either. He's simply inconsistent.
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Bonn1997
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1/20/2007  10:12 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by misterearl:

>>Shocking, Lee gets minutes and Lee puts up huge numbers. What does the man have to do to convince Isiah that he NEEDS to play at least 35 minutes.

Bernard - Lee led the Knicks with 44 minutes and 40 seconds

Thew only other player over 40 min was Quentin

I'm thankful he's finally over Brandy

Not enough. Lee needs to play 60 minutes a game.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-20-2007 22:05]

Why stop there?

Seriously, Lee is averaging 30 min a game - 3 more than Frye.

He's NOT averaging 30 when players are healthy. He's a bench player in the mid 20s when players are healthy unfortunately. No other team would ever use someone as a reserve who can average 13 & 12 as a starter and do all the intangibles when starting.
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1/20/2007  10:13 PM
he still at 10.4 which ranks him per 40 minutes a game higher than guys like Brad Miller, Steven Hunter, Jason Collins, etc., but towards the bottom of the list of centers in the NBA
That's the point. (And he's also gotten worse each year at rebounding rate.)
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1/20/2007  10:23 PM
Posted by Rich:
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in pregame, isiah said next up for curry are the "little" things like boxing out, blocking shots and defensive positioning.

those are the "little" things.

Isiah is trying to be the anti-Larry. It's not like Larry taught Curry anything. At least Isiah's staff has improved his low post game.

In many ways I believe you are right. I think some of us are getting too caught up in Isiah's defending players on things that seem more "important" or are not being stated in the way "we want to hear." In the end it is about finding the best method to getting players to improve. Not everyone responds well to "tough love" and constant criticism. In fact, studies shown that if you believe you will do well, or don't have "deficiencies" you are more likely to do well even if you are not that good.

This approach in improving players self-efficacy is I believe what Isiah intends. It doesn't appease fans who hate the defense of bad play or things that need working on, but it also doesn't mean that he actually believes it either. It may all be part of his own approach towards coaching the players. In the end that's more important right now than trying to appeal fans who probably hate him already.

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1/20/2007  10:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
he still at 10.4 which ranks him per 40 minutes a game higher than guys like Brad Miller, Steven Hunter, Jason Collins, etc., but towards the bottom of the list of centers in the NBA
That's the point. (And he's also gotten worse each year at rebounding rate.)

So by taking the one point I made that supports your argument that he is terrible, and ignoring everything else that makes your point valid? I give up trying to reason with you.

[Edited by - PresIke on 01-20-2007 10:27 PM]
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1/21/2007  12:43 AM
Good bounce-back win for the Knicks tonight. Great games from Quentin and Lee both points-wise, rebounding-wise, and defensively.

I have one argument though... Why couldn't they win the damn game that we were all at?

Edit: I don't care how many points Curry had, he had one friggen rebound in 27 minutes..

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-21-2007 12:44 AM]
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1/21/2007  12:55 AM
The Knicks won the game and that's the most important thing. As for Curry, well i'd love to see him getting more rebounds and blocks, but so far he hasn't been good in those areas. Tho he's been VERY good on offense and he does help us to win games or at least be in games at the very end.

What i'm more concerned with is getting another PG. We just don't get any kind of good PG play when Steph is out of the game. It's amazing how out of it Jamal and Nate can look at times. Isiah has to do something cuz this is a GLARING weakness.
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1/21/2007  1:28 AM
Guys,

Give Curry a break. No one here can say that he is not improving. I havent heard a word about his freethrow improvement. This guy will be a complete player. Mark my words.
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1/21/2007  2:47 AM
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/116935865716330.xml&coll=1
Before last night's game against the Indiana Pacers, Knicks coach Isiah Thomas, still numb from two near-last-second losses in a row, talked about his team's need to learn "the gray areas" of the endgame.

He pledged to teach his players how to secretly shove a guy to get a key rebound or throw a subtle hip to knock a shooter off his favorite spot before he gets the ball.

[...]

"After the last two games, it would've made me sick to my stomach to lose that game," forward David Lee said. "When we lose games like that, Isiah tells us to keep plugging, but it's frustrating."

Marbury, who removed himself from the game late in the fourth quarter after scoring 22 points, said he tweaked his knee twice in the final period, aggravating the tendinitis that has bothered him for a month. He said he expected to be in the lineup tomorrow night, when the Knicks face the Heat in Miami.

"I'm fine," he said.

[...]

Curry led the Knicks with 26 points before fouling out. Still feeling guilty for getting beaten on the final play Friday night, Curry started the game by making his first six shots.

"I wanted to make a statement," he said.

Curry joked that if he had another chance, he'd shove Robinson into the first row. But he clearly regretted not being more aggressive.

"You wish you could do a lot of things over again," he said. "And that's one of the things I wish I could get back again."
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1/21/2007  6:20 AM
From the same link -

Marbury, who removed himself from the game late in the fourth quarter after scoring 22 points, said he tweaked his knee twice in the final period, aggravating the tendinitis that has bothered him for a month. He said he expected to be in the lineup tomorrow night, when the Knicks face the Heat in Miami.

"I'm fine," he said.
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1/21/2007  8:25 AM
Posted by Ira:

From the same link -

Marbury, who removed himself from the game late in the fourth quarter after scoring 22 points, said he tweaked his knee twice in the final period, aggravating the tendinitis that has bothered him for a month. He said he expected to be in the lineup tomorrow night, when the Knicks face the Heat in Miami.

"I'm fine," he said.
He's become a warrior

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1/22/2007  1:18 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Ira:

From the same link -

Marbury, who removed himself from the game late in the fourth quarter after scoring 22 points, said he tweaked his knee twice in the final period, aggravating the tendinitis that has bothered him for a month. He said he expected to be in the lineup tomorrow night, when the Knicks face the Heat in Miami.

"I'm fine," he said.
He's become a warrior

I smell microfracture.
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1/22/2007  7:16 AM
Man I hope not
Game Thread: Knicks simply have to "Outpace the Pacers"

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