Posted by kam77:

2004 #1 draft pick -- We got Marbury instead. Kirk Snyder was picked here.
2004 #2 draft pick -- Wasn't this Trevor Ariza?
MLE on a young player -- No spending money!
2005 #1 draft pick -- Lee, Frye, N8: 3 picks is better than one
2005 #2 draft pick -- see above
MLE on a young player -- No spending money!
2006 #1 draft pick -- Tyrus Thomas
2006 #2 draft pick -- Reynaldo Balkman
MLE on a young player -- No spending money!

So just to go on record, you would have rather had Ty Thomas, maybe if we win the lottery, get a guy like Bogut last year (but not Frye, Lee or N8) and Kirk Snyder or whoever else in the 10-15 range of that draft. Instead of Curry, Marbury, and the three 2nd year guys?

Ty Thomas, maybe Andrew Bogut, Kirk Snyder, flirting around the cap NEXT year, and our own #1 pick we don't have to swap out. Ok so this team is young and has a decent financial outlook. Not a bad rebuild. But also, not a more talented team than the one we have today and all the pressure would be on our #1 picks. Thats a recipe for a team with no veteran leadership no matter who we selected with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

But i'll give you that its a different approach that could also be successful. I don't know if it leads us any closer to the championship any faster though to make such a big fuss about.

Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:



They were ripping Beckahm today and they have never even watched a soccer game. F them!

Posted by TheGame:



I think Kam77's point and my own thinking is that tanking games to try to build through the lottery is a hit and miss strategy at best. Chicago tried it for seven years and are now only starting to reap some benefits, which did not come until their traded away many of their draft picks. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.

IT's strategy was a good strategy. His problem was that he made some bad signings and one very bad trade. If we never signed JJ2 or Jeffries and did not trade for Francis, but instead resigned Bulter and Ariza, I think most people would be okay with the team. We would still have the same core but would be without JJ1, JJ2, and Francis's long-term deals. So, I agree with IT's strategy of getting Curry and making the team more athletic. I just disagree with this last trade and last two MLE signings.

That being said, I still think the team is moving in the right direction and is only one or two good trades away from being where we want to be. We have tradeable assets and an owner that is willing to spend if he sees promise. We just have to make the right personnel decisions over the next two seasons.

Posted by martin:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:

DJ don't sweat it. Some are just very sensitive to anything that could possibly have a negative answer. Good poll.

I think the next moves will say a lot. If we bring in players that compliment curry than the answer is yes. If we target big money guys like francis etc to help make the playoffs today then it will show you that in 7 years nothing has changed. Especially if they take minutes from our young guys.

I thought the 2006 off-season was telling. Instead of rounding up all his young assets and making a play for a veteran, he held firm with the current roster. Did what was in the best interest of the organization and it could be a sign that he is learning from his previous missteps.

Heat had a young all star in Lamar Odom, a lottery pick in Caron Butler and a first rd pick to go with the cap space that enable them to sign and trade for Shaq. Wade was a high lottery pick.

The Spurs were one of the top teams with Robinson. He goes down for a season and they do the right thing and tank. They luck out and get Duncan, a number one overall pick.

lol @ this. You're not even trying.

actually, you are not trying. Isiah bought out MoT and Jalen... there is much reasoning to suspect that he did both or at least one because Dolan told him he could not make any trades.

Posted by oohah:

oohah's one-step plan to make soccer popular in America: Eliminate the goaltender.

To make it even more popular: Eliminate the goaltender, make the field smaller and out of wood. Take goals and put them at the top of poles and make the goals round and about 18 inches in diameter. Turn the goals horizontal and affix a net to them. Perhaps put a large board behind the goals in order to create different scoring opportunities. Drop the number of players to 5 on a side, and instead of dribbling the ball with your feet, you use your hands and bounce it to advance with the ball.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 12-01-2007 2:58 PM]

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TheGame:



I think Kam77's point and my own thinking is that tanking games to try to build through the lottery is a hit and miss strategy at best. Chicago tried it for seven years and are now only starting to reap some benefits, which did not come until their traded away many of their draft picks. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.

IT's strategy was a good strategy. His problem was that he made some bad signings and one very bad trade. If we never signed JJ2 or Jeffries and did not trade for Francis, but instead resigned Bulter and Ariza, I think most people would be okay with the team. We would still have the same core but would be without JJ1, JJ2, and Francis's long-term deals. So, I agree with IT's strategy of getting Curry and making the team more athletic. I just disagree with this last trade and last two MLE signings.

That being said, I still think the team is moving in the right direction and is only one or two good trades away from being where we want to be. We have tradeable assets and an owner that is willing to spend if he sees promise. We just have to make the right personnel decisions over the next two seasons.

It is true that it took the bulls a total of 6 seasons from when kruase started to rebuild until they made the playoffs under paxson, but there was a changing of the GM and a change in philosophy within that time span. only one year after jordan re-retired, and they traded pippen as part of a rebuilding effort, they were able to draft elton brand. someone who perhaps is a franchise player. but some reasons why it didnt work out quickly is becuase for whatever reason krause traded brand for chandler, and he wasted the 4th pick on marcus fizer. his second overall pick jay williams going down screwed him as well. I think the bull's rebuild could actually have reaped benefits after only 3 seasons if krause didnt at that point decide to trade brand.

anyway you really think we're one or 2 good trades away from being contendors? I dont see how this team can ever be anything more than at the absolute most a 50 win team, like the cavs were last season. although it probably max out at 45 or so wins. how do you see isiah being able to make the team better than that?

[Edited by - slimpack on 01-12-2007 3:48 PM]