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King1
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1/9/2007  4:10 PM
Why is IT playing him ahead of Frye if he can guard anyone that is what I want to know? Frye or Lee either one can guard consistently, so IT is playing the one he trusts.
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1/9/2007  4:13 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Tim Duncan - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'Neal - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Pau Gasol r - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Andrei Kirilenko - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Boris Diaw - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Mehmet Okur - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Chris Webber - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Rasheed Wallace
Antawn Jamison - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Antione Walker - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Donyell Marshall - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Robert Horry

Looks like about 5 guys that guard the perimeter. Good list of random forwards though

that wasn't a list of Fowards that play defense...that is a list of POWER FORWARDS (or SF that can also play the 4) that have the ability to draw the opposing defender out of the post.

so...If and when David Lee plays against these other Power Forwards, that are threat from outside, he is going to have to get out there and play some defense.

get it?
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1/9/2007  4:18 PM
regardless, most still arent 4's. And those are exactly the type you would rather have Lee chasing around than Channing who is a center. On the same token most of those guys have no shot of keeping Lee off the glass which is where he dominates and makes his impact
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1/9/2007  4:20 PM
i'd like to see david lee guard the following:

micheal jordan
charles barkley
hakeem olajuwon
karl malone
scottie pippen
alex english
bernard king
johnny newman
earl monroe
larry nance
tom chambers
reggie miller
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1/9/2007  4:25 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


That is my point...It makes no sense to Lee not to hold his man because they are physically suited for other positions....You don't make sense when you say why should Lee run out on 3's when he is really a 4...


the fact that he's put in the position to be guarding people out on the perimeter is ridiculous. It's not his position.

What about when HE has to guard the players I listed?

Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'Neal
Pau Gasol
Andrei Kirilenko
Boris Diaw
Mehmet Okur
Chris Webber
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Rasheed Wallace
Antawn Jamison
Antione Walker
Donyell Marshall
Robert Horry

That's fine, he would be expected to guard them and if he sucks he's doing it then he sucks, but to cry foul over him not getting out to guard Carlos Delfino who is a combo guard is ridiculous. Besides, Lee can keep up with every one of those guys you mentioned. Can he play D on guys like Dirk, KG, Duncan? Who knows not many can.c
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1/9/2007  4:33 PM
Wish Lee could guard like Stpeh when he put the locks on Rip. Everyone said Rip was too big for Steph and that he shouldnt be guarding him. Wish Lee could do what JJ did with Melo when he score 13 straight on him.
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1/9/2007  4:34 PM
How many time this year has a team went straight at Lee to start a game. Like elton Brand killing Frye early, or Wallace getting two quick fouls on Frye fromt he start. These coaches must be idiots because if he was as bad and Holfresh makes him out he would be exposed to the point IT couldnt play him
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1/9/2007  4:39 PM
Posted by King1:

How many time this year has a team went straight at Lee to start a game. Like elton Brand killing Frye early, or Wallace getting two quick fouls on Frye fromt he start. These coaches must be idiots because if he was as bad and Holfresh makes him out he would be exposed to the point IT couldnt play him

The Clippers look to establish Elton Brand against every team no matter who he plays against. He is Elton brand!

And in that Pistons game where Wallace picked up 2 early fouls on Frye, who had a better game, Frye or Rasheed Wallace? Didn't Frye make a clutch Jumper to force overtime, another clutch inside move to tie it, and several other clutch shots when the Knicks were down? Didn't he have some big boards? A nice block down the streetch?

I don't understand why you keep making this a case of Frye Vs. Lee. What is the deal with that? They should be starting together in my opinion. Is it possible to root for them both or do we have to set them up against each other? What has Frye done that you dislike him so much?

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1/9/2007  4:43 PM
^^^ because Frye starts over Lee. We are talking about why Frye starts over Lee and that justification there is for it. Lee starting would give him another 6-7 minutes a game, which he has clearly earned.

Disagree?
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1/9/2007  4:48 PM
Oohah I agree with you and I want Channing to do well, but i think the person who plays the best shoudl be starting all I am saying.
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1/9/2007  4:48 PM
This may have been mentioned already but didn't Jalen Rose say that Lee was the Knicks best player?
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1/9/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by Andrew:

This may have been mentioned already but didn't Jalen Rose say that Lee was the Knicks best player?
several guys around the league have

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1/9/2007  4:51 PM
I have a feeling a lot of GM's would love to have Lee when he becomes a free agent.
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1/9/2007  4:55 PM
Posted by King1:

I have a feeling a lot of GM's would love to have Lee when he becomes a free agent.

why would lee ever want to leave all this?
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1/9/2007  5:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

^^^ because Frye starts over Lee. We are talking about why Frye starts over Lee and that justification there is for it. Lee starting would give him another 6-7 minutes a game, which he has clearly earned.

Disagree?

Oohah I agree with you and I want Channing to do well, but i think the person who plays the best shoudl be starting all I am saying.


Lee is an excellent rebounder who is really coming to his own. Frye had a great rookie campaign that has show very nice scoring ability. He has recovered pretty well from his early season slump.

Neither is a particularly good defensive player.

They should not be taking each other's time. They are totally different players. They can play at the same time, they have shown that already a few times. It doesn't matter if Lee is not that great at guarding SF's or Channing isn't etc. Because the other team has to deal with Lee and Frye at the other end. They will have to adjust. And that guy who ran around Lee from the perimeter (Frye steps in for the mighty block!) is going to have to try to box out Lee on the other end and he won't be able to do it. In fact he will probably get into foul trouble. And that big SOB on Frye won't be near the basket because he will be 15-18 feet away from the hoop trying to stop the sweet J. It will be all Lee's world down low because the center will be caught up with Curry.

They are playing together, not against each other. They should play together.

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1/9/2007  5:08 PM
That is why I have said from day one they need to trade one of them to balance the team. You're right holfresh I take personally, but Frye is a great kid that I want to do great as a knick
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1/9/2007  6:54 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

^^^ because Frye starts over Lee. We are talking about why Frye starts over Lee and that justification there is for it. Lee starting would give him another 6-7 minutes a game, which he has clearly earned.

Disagree?

Oohah I agree with you and I want Channing to do well, but i think the person who plays the best shoudl be starting all I am saying.


Lee is an excellent rebounder who is really coming to his own. Frye had a great rookie campaign that has show very nice scoring ability. He has recovered pretty well from his early season slump.

Neither is a particularly good defensive player.

They should not be taking each other's time. They are totally different players. They can play at the same time, they have shown that already a few times. It doesn't matter if Lee is not that great at guarding SF's or Channing isn't etc. Because the other team has to deal with Lee and Frye at the other end. They will have to adjust. And that guy who ran around Lee from the perimeter (Frye steps in for the mighty block!) is going to have to try to box out Lee on the other end and he won't be able to do it. In fact he will probably get into foul trouble. And that big SOB on Frye won't be near the basket because he will be 15-18 feet away from the hoop trying to stop the sweet J. It will be all Lee's world down low because the center will be caught up with Curry.

They are playing together, not against each other. They should play together.

oohah
well, I have said once or twice that Frye is a center and should be playing there, ideally next to Lee. However Isiah is totally committed to Curry, and while that remains a reality Frye and Lee are going to compete for minutes.

My short term solution would be to play Frye off the bench, mainly behind Curry where he can be the focal point of the offense.

Long term would be to gauge their value because Frye can probably excell beyond a backup role but wont get it with Curry here.

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1/9/2007  9:49 PM

Frye is a PF and is better suited to play the position as a PF...he can play center but his game and body is suited for a PF..
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1/9/2007  10:10 PM
His game is suited for a 2 man. One of these guys need to be traded and it will be interesting to see which one goes.
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1/9/2007  10:28 PM
Posted by King1:

His game is suited for a 2 man. One of these guys need to be traded and it will be interesting to see which one goes.

We actually need both players..I know a concept foreign to most of you guys..It's one guy against the other or nothing...We still have time to see how both develop...Right now neither is ready to play any of the better power forwards in this league...They both will get eaten alive...What's good about Frye is that he can do multiple things...If Curry goes down, Frye may be the only guy to step in and play major minutes at the position..But the basic idea is the give these guys playing time( starting or bench)to have them develop...Who starts and who sits will work itself out....

What does his game suited for 2 man mean anyway?



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