Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:
Misterearl: Those assessments are all true. And once again goes to prove my point of the oil and water mix we had last year. IF you want someone who is patient and will teach the young guys and build their confidence you don't go out and hire a guy that is known for breaking guys down. That was our mistake last year. Why does it seem so obvious to me and not to others. LB was not part of any plan. He was available, sounded good, so we hired him without any thought for our long-term future. Same thing we did with Jalen, Stevie, Mo Taylor, JJ, Mark Strickland, Mark Jackson(teh second time) etc.
If you are going young and want them to grow you don't go and hire a coach becasue he is available. You hire the best fit. If you have a young team that needs to be built. You find a guy that is good at working with young guys and will build confidence. You don't hire LB because he's not going to do that. If you hire LB be prepared to watch your rookies sit and to bring in a group of vets who already know how to play the game. He has a 30 year history of that, so where is the confusion.
Anyone notice that when Bill Parcells goes somewhere half the team is immediately jettisoned and replaced with players that played with him on other teams. These are the actions of a disciplinarian. Everything you guys say is true. I am not arguing with you one bit. LB did not want to coach this squad as constructed. He wanted Marbs gone as well. He did not coach the team the way it was supposed to be coached. That is his fault. He quit on our roster. Our roster quit on us. And our GM messed up by hiring a guy that didn't fit.
[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-29-2006 12:57 PM]
He quit on our roster. Our roster quit on us. And our GM messed up by hiring a guy that didn't fit.
That basically sums up everything. But why does your post allways seem to have the feeling that Brown didn't do anything wrong. I mean you love to bring up how the players quit last season. But yet when the fact that Brown quit is brought up. Its like will its Isiahs fault for hiring him. While thats true. And while I agree with your post. NOBODY i mean NOBODY though that Brown was going to turn in the worst coaching job in the history of the NBA.
But I agree with what your saying about the lack of a true plan of assembling the proper players and the proper coach to make this a championship calibre team over the yrs.
Why does it seem that my posts never seem to say LB did anything wrong, because that is how YOU INTERPRET IT. I am telling you that I feel he did a horrible job. That is all I should have to say? What else do you need????? Do you want me to shoot him???
I also think the players did a horrible job and that Isiah did as well.
I stated why I interpret it that way with my next sentence. You love to bring up how the players quit on the team. In every thread that has to do with that topic. You bring up how the players quit. But once we bring up that Brown quit to and more than likley first. You put it on Isiah for hiring him and say its because he didn't mix with the players. Well if thats the case then the players should be excused for quiting since they didn't mix with the coach, feel me. You don't put in the same effort stating how Brown quit as you do the players. So of course im going to interpret it that way.
And im not argueing with you or at least trying to argue with you. Im just stating my observations. Your last sentence I quoted you on because It spread out the blame to everyone and there part. Which I agree with. And I agreed with the rest of your post because your right in the points you made. Which is why I don't put all the blame on Brown since I understand the circumstance for him. But that still doesn't excuse a lot of the actions that he took. And football contracts are a lot easier to move than in baksetball.
IMO Brown should have made the best out of his situation UNTIL we had the FLEXABILITY to make the moves to turn the roster to his liking. He didn't show any understanding of Isiah's circumstance. So sorry if I have a hard time feeling sorry for his circumstance. Larry Brown played a huge part in making the situation A LOT worse than it should have been.
Guy I wrote that I felt LB didn't want to coach that team. He wanted to seize power from Isiah and build his own team. He quit on the team, the players quit on him and Isiah was the one who put the whole thing together.
However you and Holfresh and the rest want to interpret that is your problem, not mine. Like I've said before, Until I come out and say everything about LB is bad. That he is a horrible coach and that his career is a sham some of you guys will always interpret the above paragraph as an attack on the players and an endorsment of LB. But to me it pretty much sounds like an attack on everyone that took part in one of the most miserable seasons in our history.
It's a similar phenomenon to when I say I really like Eddie Curry. I think he has a solid future ahead of him and I love the work he is putting in to get in shape this year. He really needs stop turning the ball over and work on his passing but there definitely is a future. Inevitably somebody will come on and say, "stop hating on Eddie". Or when you ask a question during the preseason like how is Isiah going to juggle the egos of the four guards? and that you think this will be the key to the season Nothing eluded to in the question, just curious to find out how other people on the board would handle the four. Just looking for simple answers. And instead of answering the question someone will ineveitably say "why are you saying the knicks will fight and stink?"
You see what you want to see. Stop reading into the meaning behind the words and read the actual words. Take me at my word instead of trying to find some hidden meaning behind what I'm saying and figuring out what "I actually mean". It was as much LB's fault as it was the players and the GM. I don't know how much more clear I can make my opinion. I am as straightforward with my opinion as you will ever meet on this planet, so why do you feel you have to read into anything I say. Man, it's like posting with chicks(no offense to chicks of course)
[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-31-2006 12:16 PM]
12/30/2006 2:20 PM