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nyk4ever
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In the wake of all the threads that have been created recently about Eddy's scoring(which has been fantastic of late) is it enough for you that he scores points but doesn't do other things that centers are supposed to do? Things such as rebound, block shots, provide man to man defense as well as help defense, which is absolutely killing the Knicks. Although Eddy is scoring a ton of points, his presence on the court seems to be nullified because of his poor defensive habits and lack of effort on the defensive end. This is not a poll to bring down Eddy Curry, I'm just curious of the results, since it has been a hot topic on this forum lately and it's been widely debated by all who have participated.
Eddy's scoring is enough for me and his defense does not worry me
I don't care how many points Eddy scores, if he's not playing defense it's worthless
Who cares we're still losing games
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12/7/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by misterearl:

24

I thought you posting his predicted block total for the season, at first.
Posted by misterearl:

Did anybody wish Eddy Curry Happy Birthday?

Happy birthday Eddy.

P.S.: Learn to play some defense.
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12/7/2006  5:05 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by misterearl:

24

I thought you posting his predicted block total for the season, at first.
Posted by misterearl:

Did anybody wish Eddy Curry Happy Birthday?

Happy birthday Eddy.

P.S.: Learn to play some defense.

Don't be ridiculous Solace!

It's his predicted block plus assist plus steal total!
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12/7/2006  5:07 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


It's his predicted block plus assist plus steal total!

LOL, I think Free Throws Made is in that 24 too.
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12/10/2006  12:15 AM
Bump. I was severely wrong about Eddy Curry, I will be the first to admit it. Hes rebounding consistently and he's even playing a little bit of defense.

I was wrong, everyone I argued with about Curry was right.

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12/10/2006  11:56 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I was wrong, everyone I argued with about Curry was right.
Word! Now, if we can get joe to show up and say something like "I should have more patience and let Eddy develop" we'd be set. But he would rather write 2 paragraphs about how he knew Eddy was good was pissed about his motivation and he was doing the right thing etc. Come on joe, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic!
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12/10/2006  1:02 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Bump. I was severely wrong about Eddy Curry, I will be the first to admit it. Hes rebounding consistently and he's even playing a little bit of defense.

I was wrong, everyone I argued with about Curry was right.

? Curry has bumped up his offensive production recently, but I don't think his rebounding and D have improved so drastically. He has gotten better with the boarding and D but not to the point where one would throw off previous misgivings that were so severe that they apparently negated all the good things Curry does on offense. Let's at least be logically consistent here.

I agree that you were wrong about Curry's overall value, but not because he's now suddenly so much better at controlling the paint defensively... he's just showing that a player who is great on offense and mediocre to below average on defense can still be quite valuable. If Curry can be the analogue of Dominique Wilkins at center for us-- mediocre rebounder and defender who is a legit go-to option on offense-- that's a great asset to have, even if it doesn't fit the stereotype of what kind of player a center should be.
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12/10/2006  7:07 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I was wrong, everyone I argued with about Curry was right.
Word! Now, if we can get joe to show up and say something like "I should have more patience and let Eddy develop" we'd be set. But he would rather write 2 paragraphs about how he knew Eddy was good was pissed about his motivation and he was doing the right thing etc. Come on joe, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic!

I've said I was buying into Curry more by the game since the 7th game he had 20, you must have missed that bro. All I said was he needed to defend and rebound consistently and I have complimented him on that the games I have seen him do so. If he and Lee hold this up until Frye comes back, I would trafe Frye in a second(preferably for a young true PG like Farmar, who still has a little to learn about the position).

Unlike, nyk4ever, I am not saying I was wrong. I am saying that Curry is finally improving on what about 3 out of every 4 posters believed he had to improve on.

I've said many times that I see 24-10-2 potential in Curry. Many times I was shot down-by fierce Curry supporters, no less-that my expectations were too high and too unfair, saying that those are Duncan type numbers and noone should be expected to perform up to that (you said that in one thread, Silver). I don't know how many times I said I was so down on Curry because my expectations from him are so high.

But it's ok, we can ignore all that. JoeC will admit Curry is doing well(which I have said before), he is averaging roughly 23 and 8 over the past 9(wow, pretty close to my 24 and 10, but I digress), and he doesn't look totaly lazy and useless(which I said before was one of the major defeciencies that most of us said he had to correct to reach his high potential).

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12/10/2006  7:18 PM
Posted by joec32033:

JoeC will admit Curry is doing well
Will you have patience to let him get to 24 and 10? Come on bro...

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-10-2006 7:18 PM]
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12/10/2006  7:45 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

JoeC will admit Curry is doing well
Will you have patience to let him get to 24 and 10? Come on bro...

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-10-2006 7:18 PM]

Do I have a choice? I can't trade him if I wanted to.

On the serious side, I saw no sign of Curry doing anything, and anyone who tells me they say Curry turning the corner at the begining of the season is stretching the truth. Curry started doing this with no lead in or even sign of improvement until it just "clicked".

I don't know what you want me to say, Silver. I said he is playing some sick ball. He doesn't look like a slug. And I loved seeing him get ANGRY yesterday. I'm not going to admit being wrong or doubling back on anything I have said I believed before.

-He has super high potential
-When Frye was doing well and Eddy was doing horribly, I said I would trade Eddy's potential for Frye's consistency because there was no sign Curry could reach his potential here.
-Given the choice(at that time), I would trade Eddy, but I would hate doing it because of the amazingly high potential he possessed.
-Eddy has the potential to average 24-10-2.
-Eddy needs to improve his motivation.
-Eddy needs to improve his defense.
-Eddy needs to improve his rebounding.

Everything I ever believed about Curry.
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12/10/2006  7:51 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Do I have a choice? I can't trade him if I wanted to
If you could, would you? Who for? Franchise level I hope.
I don't know what you want me to say, Silver.
I'd really love to hear you say "Allan Houston sucks" but I don't think I have completely convinced you yet. My whole beef (sorry about dragging this on btw) about your stand on Eddy is that you wanted to see him develop into a good defensive player right away. I was like, "He scored 20 points again joe" and main man joe says "He sucks because he sucked on defense yesterday and today." All I am saying is recognize his improvement and give him time to become a decent defensive player. He is not going to be Ben Wallace and he is not a Franchise player. I'm done with this. Can we argue on another thread after your reply?
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12/10/2006  8:02 PM
If you could, would you? Who for? Franchise level I hope.
I wouldn't. He is showing somehting he hasn't shown for 5 years. As I said before, his potential is too high to pass up.
I was like, "He scored 20 points again joe" and main man joe says "He sucks because he sucked on defense yesterday and today."
You must have me confused with someone else you talked to, because I never said that and I would never say that. I haven't talked to you online for the better part of two weeks except on the forums here. I would never say he sucks because he can't play defense. That's an ignorant statement for you to attribute to me Silver.

If someone says what you just came up with, and someone says "he did good, but he still needs to improve his defense and rebounding because they are still horrible"-which is what I constantly say about Curry- that means two totally different things.

Silver, please stop putting words in my mouth. The last time I said a player "sucked" I was probaly still in high school.

Moving on, I will accept Allan Houston level defense from Curry and I will be ecstatic if he can mesh his offense with just that average level of defense.
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12/10/2006  8:03 PM
For now.
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12/10/2006  8:25 PM
Right now you might be able to trade Eddy for Brand, J. O. , KG, or Odom if you wanted to get a two-way player or Bynum if you wanted a young guy who will likely be a very good two-way player.
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12/10/2006  8:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Right now you might be able to trade Eddy for Brand, J. O. , KG, or Odom if you wanted to get a two-way player or Bynum if you wanted a young guy who will likely be a very good two-way player.

Guys I would target with Eddy-in no particular order-:

Bosh
Amare
Dwight Howard
Carmelo
LeBron
Joe Johnson
Gasol
Chris Paul
Zach Randolph AND Jarrett Jack
Boozer AND Deron
I'd consider Jason Richardson and Murphy
a PACKAGE OF Dalembert and Iggy

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12/10/2006  8:39 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Right now you might be able to trade Eddy for Brand, J. O. , KG, or Odom if you wanted to get a two-way player or Bynum if you wanted a young guy who will likely be a very good two-way player.

Guys I would target with Eddy-in no particular order-:

Bosh
Amare
Dwight Howard
Carmelo
LeBron
Joe Johnson
Gasol
Chris Paul
Zach Randolph AND Jarrett Jack
Boozer AND Deron
I'd consider Jason Richardson and Murphy
a PACKAGE OF Dalembert and Iggy

I would too and if anyone said they wouldn't than they just aren't being realistic.
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12/10/2006  8:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Right now you might be able to trade Eddy for Brand, J. O. , KG, or Odom if you wanted to get a two-way player or Bynum if you wanted a young guy who will likely be a very good two-way player.

Guys I would target with Eddy-in no particular order-:

Bosh
Amare
Dwight Howard
Carmelo
LeBron
Joe Johnson
Gasol
Chris Paul
Zach Randolph AND Jarrett Jack
Boozer AND Deron
I'd consider Jason Richardson and Murphy
a PACKAGE OF Dalembert and Iggy

I would too and if anyone said they wouldn't than they just aren't being realistic.

Edit: Forgot Wade.


Bosh
Amare
Dwight Howard
Carmelo
LeBron
Wade
Joe Johnson
Gasol
Chris Paul
Zach Randolph AND Jarrett Jack
Boozer AND Deron
I'd consider Jason Richardson and Murphy
a PACKAGE OF Dalembert and Iggy
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12/10/2006  8:57 PM
Dwight, Amare, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Brand, Yao etc....

basically, the idea is Eddy will be traded for franchise player talent. No one can argue that.
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12/10/2006  9:04 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Dwight, Amare, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Brand, Yao etc....

basically, the idea is Eddy will be traded for franchise player talent. No one can argue that.

Yes, but I want a Franchise player under 25. And I was never a big fan of Yao.
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12/10/2006  9:07 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Dwight, Amare, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Brand, Yao etc....

basically, the idea is Eddy will be traded for franchise player talent. No one can argue that.

Yes, but I want a Franchise player under 25. And I was never a big fan of Yao.
Yea, I agree. I just wanted to put your Curry love/hate posts in perspective. If you expect franchise level talent, we are on the same page.
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12/10/2006  9:09 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Dwight, Amare, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Brand, Yao etc....

basically, the idea is Eddy will be traded for franchise player talent. No one can argue that.

Yes, but I want a Franchise player under 25. And I was never a big fan of Yao.
Yea, I agree. I just wanted to put your Curry love/hate posts in perspective. If you expect franchise level talent, we are on the same page.

LOOL...Never hated him. Was frustrated by him is a much better (and more accurate) way to put it.
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