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10/11/2006  10:35 AM
Posted by bigbeast:

About a third of this board believed that Francis was brought in by Brown in hoopes of moving Marbury. Now Marbury sings the same tune you guys have been singing and he's an idiot. Unreal!

And now you guys believe he somehow took a shot at Francis with this comment. In what way exactly? And Blue, what exactly are they blamming on Francis? Sounds like Marbury is blamming LB for bringing Francis in. I don't see where Marbury is blamming anything on Francis.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-07-2006 3:04 PM]

No, it may be obvious, and as such, should not be said by a player. If a sportswriter wants to make that claim, fine. It is inappropriate for Marbury to be saying such. How do you think Steve Francis feels when his own teammate says this. Not good, you think?
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10/11/2006  11:16 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

You guys make being a mole sound like a bad thing. Don't forget, even lovable old Nalod started out as an MSG mole, way back during the Layden regime. A putsch or two later, he leads the anti-MSG revolution.

Moles are people too, and they have a right to express their opinions.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-11-2006 00:03]


Nedyal's position was to change the organizational thinking that has promoted "Starphuching". Layden was over his head and his boss was easy to push him around. I pleaded to rebuild, I pleaded to stop the bullshoyt, and pleaded to not trade picks!

Nalod does not like that Isiah is doing the same thing! Trading picks for defective players, and trading on the type of underachievers we have had. I hope this group proves me wrong!

While we are getting better on paper with our core youth, they are not bonafide blue chippers. When we finally get lottery picks, we trade them!

Frye can threaten to be an allstar, but a franchise player he is not.

I wanted a rebuild. I wanted Laydog to do it, and hoped Isiah would blow it up.

Defend Layden? Yeah, I don't over shift the blame on his shoulders.
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10/11/2006  11:34 AM
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10/11/2006  11:43 AM
Posted by oohah:

Interesting, when did I say that Frye was better than Rasheed? He will be soon, but he isn't quite yet. Close though. Too bad you have to make things up in order to get something on me. Maybe one day...

Here's what I said:

"He might be overrated but (Weed's) still the better all around player."

Here's your reply:

"No he is not. Not by the numbers, and not by any other standard you can come up with. Maybe 5 years ago, but not anymore."

Ok, this is where you ignore that you're still losing this argument and proceed with the personal insults and name calling to try to cover up that fact. Or just keep on lying and say that you never said it.

I guess that's just a common trait of people who are so incredibly full of themselves, they can't admit when they're wrong. Wait, only a real man would admit that so there's obviously no sense waiting for you to admit to it.


[Edited by - islesfan on 10-11-2006 12:09 PM]
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10/11/2006  12:12 PM
Posted by oohah:
Gentlemen, it's not that Marbury is trying to diss Francis as a player, it's that they are dissing the move to bring him here. And what exactly does that accomplish? Well what it doesn't accomplish is making Steve feel like a welcome addition. It reads as if they know they have a struggle on their hands with him and they are distincing themeselves from the trade as if it already has doom written on it. It alientates Francis, and is the first step toward building in excuses for failure.

I thought this season was supposed to be free of that kind of stuff, but clearly it is not.

I think you are running with what has been said a little too much. Marbury was asked a question and he answered it. The whole Francis trade was funny business. Everybody knows it. So why pretend different?

Now if your point is that Francis is a little bitch and he will take offense and sulk, maybe you are right. But hopefully this team will be able to speak up and say what they feel like men.

That is what I will hope for.

I see, so anyone can say whatever they want to the media if they are asked the right questions? Including Larry Brown? Sure, it's all about saying what they feel.

Listen, it's not all about marbury's poor judgment but isiah's too. For some reason, before the season has begun he's talking about making Francis work with all the enthusiasm of a man readying to pass a kidney stone.

it's not like he's saying I'm excited to have the opportunity to coach two all-stars in the backcourt, or we really think Steve improves our depth. No, we hear it's a tough job, but better than no job. Very Glum and disrespectful in my opinion. But hey, I guess that's what you like in a coach -- unless it doesn't work out, that is.

Anyway, you're probably right. Guys should just say what they feel and let the other guy swallow it. Lets have Lee whine about Jeffries being brought in to replace him - Nate can b*tch about Collins - James can b*tch about Curry - Frye can b*tch about Webber and Kmart rumors - Q can b*tch about Jalen - Herb can b*tch about Suhr - and on and on. Just let the press ask them their feelings and lets let them let it all out "like men." Yeah, that's the ticket. That will give us the chemistry, camaraderie and joy Isiah is so determined to encourage.
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10/11/2006  12:55 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Gentlemen, it's not that Marbury is trying to diss Francis as a player, it's that they are dissing the move to bring him here. And what exactly does that accomplish? Well what it doesn't accomplish is making Steve feel like a welcome addition. It reads as if they know they have a struggle on their hands with him and they are distincing themeselves from the trade as if it already has doom written on it. It alientates Francis, and is the first step toward building in excuses for failure.

I thought this season was supposed to be free of that kind of stuff, but clearly it is not.

I think you are running with what has been said a little too much. Marbury was asked a question and he answered it. The whole Francis trade was funny business. Everybody knows it. So why pretend different?

Now if your point is that Francis is a little bitch and he will take offense and sulk, maybe you are right. But hopefully this team will be able to speak up and say what they feel like men.

That is what I will hope for.

I see, so anyone can say whatever they want to the media if they are asked the right questions? Including Larry Brown? Sure, it's all about saying what they feel.

Listen, it's not all about marbury's poor judgment but isiah's too. For some reason, before the season has begun he's talking about making Francis work with all the enthusiasm of a man readying to pass a kidney stone.

it's not like he's saying I'm excited to have the opportunity to coach two all-stars in the backcourt, or we really think Steve improves our depth. No, we hear it's a tough job, but better than no job. Very Glum and disrespectful in my opinion. But hey, I guess that's what you like in a coach -- unless it doesn't work out, that is.

Anyway, you're probably right. Guys should just say what they feel and let the other guy swallow it. Lets have Lee whine about Jeffries being brought in to replace him - Nate can b*tch about Collins - James can b*tch about Curry - Frye can b*tch about Webber and Kmart rumors - Q can b*tch about Jalen - Herb can b*tch about Suhr - and on and on. Just let the press ask them their feelings and lets let them let it all out "like men." Yeah, that's the ticket. That will give us the chemistry, camaraderie and joy Isiah is so determined to encourage.

You still don't get it, do you? It's all good, so long as it's sanctioned by the bosses at MSG.

The positivity or negativity of the message is not the issue. The issue is, did Dolan okay it?

If Dolan okayed it, it's okay.

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10/11/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:


You still don't get it, do you? It's all good, so long as it's sanctioned by the bosses at MSG.

The positivity or negativity of the message is not the issue. The issue is, did Dolan okay it?

If Dolan okayed it, it's okay.



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10/11/2006  2:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:

Interesting, when did I say that Frye was better than Rasheed? He will be soon, but he isn't quite yet. Close though. Too bad you have to make things up in order to get something on me. Maybe one day...

Here's what I said:

"He might be overrated but (Weed's) still the better all around player."

Here's your reply:

"No he is not. Not by the numbers, and not by any other standard you can come up with. Maybe 5 years ago, but not anymore."

Ok, this is where you ignore that you're still losing this argument and proceed with the personal insults and name calling to try to cover up that fact. Or just keep on lying and say that you never said it.

I guess that's just a common trait of people who are so incredibly full of themselves, they can't admit when they're wrong. Wait, only a real man would admit that so there's obviously no sense waiting for you to admit to it.


[Edited by - islesfan on 10-11-2006 12:09 PM]

What was I wrong about again?

Yes, you have won the argument where we are talking about how good Frye will be this upcoming season, even though he has not played yet! Bravo! I'm not sure how that is possible, but you obviously are hurting for validation! There, now do you feel better? You're a winner! Throw a party! Will anyone show up?

In regards to what I said about Wallace, you are taking it out of context. We were talking about this upcoming season with Frye's numbers projected over 35 MPG. Of course Wallace overall was better than Frye last season, he played enough minutes and his coach did not screw with him, although Frye was better per minute in both scoring and rebounding, better in field goal and free throw percentages and nearly as good in blocks and steals. That is a fact. It is my belief that Frye will be better than Wallace this upcoming season, though Wallace was never my standard of judgement, but I'll throw him in there to sate your dark appetites.

Anyway, it is probably quite easy to catch a discrepancy, albeit a minute one, when you dedicate your time on this board to proof-reading my words while never saying anything yourself.

Carry on! (But please stop following me around. It is weird.)

oohah


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10/11/2006  2:58 PM
wow.. oohah getting annoyed at someone proofreading words.

Is there really a party?
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10/11/2006  3:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:

wow.. oohah getting annoyed at someone proofreading words.

Is there really a party?


Anyway, it is probably quite easy to catch a discrepancy, albeit a minute one, when you dedicate your time on this board to proof-reading my words while never saying anything yourself.

I have no problem with it as long as he or anyone else actually says something while proofreading.

oohah

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10/11/2006  3:15 PM
i thought what he was saying was he disagreed with you, but I didnt read the whole thing, so I will leave it at that. That last part was a bit funny to me thats all.

So, thats a no on the party?
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10/11/2006  3:59 PM
Posted by fishmike:

i thought what he was saying was he disagreed with you, but I didnt read the whole thing, so I will leave it at that. That last part was a bit funny to me thats all.

So, thats a no on the party?



Yeah there is a party! I'm not sure you guys will know what to do though...



oohah



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10/11/2006  4:03 PM
Ive been to that party... maybe I will bring Mrs Fish to opening night... we will see
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10/11/2006  4:03 PM
^ oohah, which one is you?
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10/11/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by martin:

^ oohah, which one is you?
oh snap! (I'm thinking the one w/ the glasses)

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10/11/2006  4:28 PM
Posted by martin:

^ oohah, which one is you?



I'm the one getting a serial knob-slobbing right in front of the one in the red....

oohah

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10/11/2006  5:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by martin:

^ oohah, which one is you?
oh snap! (I'm thinking the one w/ the glasses)
I'm thinking it's the fat one!

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10/11/2006  7:13 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:

Interesting, when did I say that Frye was better than Rasheed? He will be soon, but he isn't quite yet. Close though. Too bad you have to make things up in order to get something on me. Maybe one day...

Here's what I said:

"He might be overrated but (Weed's) still the better all around player."

Here's your reply:

"No he is not. Not by the numbers, and not by any other standard you can come up with. Maybe 5 years ago, but not anymore."

Ok, this is where you ignore that you're still losing this argument and proceed with the personal insults and name calling to try to cover up that fact. Or just keep on lying and say that you never said it.

I guess that's just a common trait of people who are so incredibly full of themselves, they can't admit when they're wrong. Wait, only a real man would admit that so there's obviously no sense waiting for you to admit to it.


[Edited by - islesfan on 10-11-2006 12:09 PM]

What was I wrong about again?

Yes, you have won the argument where we are talking about how good Frye will be this upcoming season, even though he has not played yet! Bravo! I'm not sure how that is possible, but you obviously are hurting for validation! There, now do you feel better? You're a winner! Throw a party! Will anyone show up?

In regards to what I said about Wallace, you are taking it out of context. We were talking about this upcoming season with Frye's numbers projected over 35 MPG. Of course Wallace overall was better than Frye last season, he played enough minutes and his coach did not screw with him, although Frye was better per minute in both scoring and rebounding, better in field goal and free throw percentages and nearly as good in blocks and steals. That is a fact. It is my belief that Frye will be better than Wallace this upcoming season, though Wallace was never my standard of judgement, but I'll throw him in there to sate your dark appetites.

Anyway, it is probably quite easy to catch a discrepancy, albeit a minute one, when you dedicate your time on this board to proof-reading my words while never saying anything yourself.

Carry on! (But please stop following me around. It is weird.)

oohah

Out of context? Hardly. Next you'll be saying that you were misquoted.

You denied saying that Frye was better than Wallace. Even accusing me of making it up. (Feel free to apologize for that whenever you become a man) I proved you to be a liar with your own quote, where you adamantly said that Frye was better.

A complete 180 is not a "discrepancy" much less a minute one. Don't try to downplay it. It's not becoming of someone as full of himself as you are.

Try not to be too upset about being caught in a lie.

Yes, oohah is getting annoyed at someone for proofreading his words. To him it's only acceptable when he does it to others.
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Out of context? Hardly. Next you'll be saying that you were misquoted.

Taken absolutely out of context. That answer was in reply to a question in the middle of a much larger set of statements, all based on a 35 MPG projection of Frye for this upcoming season. Here is what I said:

Bullsh!t. Weed is so overrated, it's incredible. If Frye maintains his rookie averages over 35 MPG, Frye becomes the better player, no question.

I reiterate: IF FRYE MAINTAINS HIS ROOKIE AVERAGES OVER 35 MINUTES PER GAME, HE BECOMES THE BETTER PLAYER!!!!!!

So you see, there really is no discrepancy. No. Rather, there is a lack of refinement on your part that does not allow you to appreciate nuance.
You denied saying that Frye was better than Wallace. Even accusing me of making it up. (Feel free to apologize for that whenever you become a man) I proved you to be a liar with your own quote, where you adamantly said that Frye was better.

I guess you did make it up. (Feel free to apologize for that whenever you become a man, or get a man.)I stated again in this thread:
"In regards to what I said about Wallace, you are taking it out of context. We were talking about this upcoming season with Frye's numbers projected over 35 MPG. Of course Wallace overall was better than Frye last season, he played enough minutes and his coach did not screw with him, although Frye was better per minute in both scoring and rebounding, better in field goal and free throw percentages and nearly as good in blocks and steals."

Sorry Charlie! I hate to disappoint you. Over the same MPG Wallace averaged last year, Frye is a much more effective scorer, and a better rebounder.

You seem hell bent on trying to prove that I said Frye WAS better than so-and-so, when what I am actually saying is that Frye WILL enter the upper tier of power forwards this season.

It is a prediction. You know, the thing you don't have cajones to do? Instead, you ATTEMPT to ridicule me, but only prove you are a loser-stalker by not allowing it to drop, and then bringing it up at an appropriate time, like after Frye has played, even a pre-season game.

Instead, you shot your load to early! Man, I can see you, eyes rolled back, typing with one hand because you think you got me!

SUCKER.

But you already knew that. You just have some fetish with me. Why not admit it?
A complete 180 is not a "discrepancy" much less a minute one. Don't try to downplay it. It's not becoming of someone as full of himself as you are.

There is no 180, there is no discrepancy.

Too bad you don't have the grapes to make your own Frye prediction.

Full of myself? Maybe, but at least I am not the infamous: "Vilefan".
Yes, oohah is getting annoyed at someone for proofreading his words. To him it's only acceptable when he does it to others.

It's almost as ironic as you getting you widdle feelings hurt, then chasing me around like a girl I dissed and cannot get the message.

If you are going to proofread, then you should do like I do and say something! Or, if you want to be a silly little pedant, THEN AT LEAST PROOFREAD CORRECTLY!

Keep it up Islesfan I don't think you know me...

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 11-10-2006 10:32 PM]
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10/11/2006  11:41 PM
Keep it up Islesfan I don't think you know me...

LOL Ok there tough guy. Seriously, very scared. (Now I'm rolling my eyes)

I know enough about you that I know that I have zero interest in wanting to know you.

I'm not contesting that you said any of what you just quoted. You're the one that's contesting what I quoted you as saying.

There's no disputing what you said and suggesting that it was taken out of context is as silly as some pro athletes saying that they were misquoted in their own autobiographies. I quoted what I said and then I quoted your complete response.

It doesn't take an appreciation of nuance to comprehend the meaning of "No he is not".

BUt just to be sure, you back up that statement with "Not by the numbers, and not by any other standard you can come up with" Seems like you're pretty adamant about Frye being better than Wallace right now and you feel that there's absolutely no basis for suggesting otherwise.

Then to top it off and remove all doubt as to what you meant you finish with "Maybe 5 years ago, but not anymore". In other words, not IF Frye does this THEN that, but RIGHT NOW. No qualifications necessary.

There is no ambiguity to your response to my saying that Wallace was better than Frye. Now there is just backtracking.

If that's not what you meant then I suggest that at the very least you PROOFREAD YOUR POSTS BEFORE YOU POST THEM!!!
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