Posted by fishmike:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

You guys are making Jeffries out to be a better defender that he really is...He's ok but not the player you are reporting...He cannot defend 4 positions....For a guy is size and length, he is not a good shot blocker..he hustle and gives effort...He is an overall energy guy that has faster feet than Lee so can defend the 3 but I thought thats why we drafted Balkman...He is Balkman with 3 year experience...His steal numbers are not what it should be for a guy considered a defensive player...He is not considered a shut down guy...It a panick and stop gap move by Isiah trying to do something for today instead of being patient...



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:14 PM]

How many times you've seen him play?

Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..

its funny because you say a lot that makes zero sense. Oakley and Mason couldnt and didnt block shots... I guess they were lousy defenders also? Does Artest and Billups block shots?

Whatever... this is the first move that Isiah has made in his last 10 that indicates he's got any clue about what this team neeeds. I'm assuming he's only going after guys like Jefferies and Balkman because Larry told him too. Maybe Isiah learned something in that year. Lucky us

Yeah, but Oakly and Mason had Championships at they're doorsteps and they did not capitalize. Maybe a little blocking might have helped.

Posted by gunsnewing:

it wasn't his tragedy its his bad back

Posted by 4949:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by metra:

Isiah keeps making fine moves but everyone gets on his ass afterwards. Just watch.. most of the people in this thread like this move. However, by the all star game, it's gonna be "the worst move ever because there is no chemistry." Isiah's not responsible for chemistry. The coach is. And since the coach is Isiah.. well, you better believe he's gonna do a gj.

He makes fine moves talentwise.

But it is starting to get alarming that he makes moves to patch up spots then following them up with moves that he sees as better when all he is doing is double stacking the deck(signing James, drafting a PF/C in Frye then going after Curry.....having Butler on the roster, then drafting not one but 2 PF's in Frye and Lee....drafting Balkman and touting him so high, then signing someone that makes him a 4th option at the position...in the span of a year getting Steph, than a young PG in Craw, than drafting a young PG in Nate)...

Hey guys! What is the one thing that we have not had in years, maybe never had? Youth!

Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Crawford, Curry, Woods, Collins and now maybe Jeffries. I just don't remember being this young before. Have we 'ever' been this young before? Can you see what Zeke is up to.

Being young is ont thing. Being young you means have players that you can pick out that you want to develop and get time. There IS a thing as too much youth (look at the Clippers circa '98-an example I have pointed out roughly a million times before as my biggest fear that the Knicks will turn into). When you have too much youth that demands time to develop you eventually will develop none of it. Also, when you want to go young you usually have older plaers that don't warrent the time over your young guys.

Posted by misterearl:

Take the team back from the players

No

Empower the players to invest their absolute best effort as having a vested interest and PRIDE in the franchise.

Taking "back" the team is so 1950's and PRE Curt Floodish

huh?

Posted by misterearl:

>>Doesn't anyone here get tired of primadonnas, excuse makers and the entitled.

Of this lineup, which has YET to practice or play a second together, who exactly do you have aproblem with...

Curry

Frye

Jeffries

Francis

Marbury

Lee as sixth man

Posted by misterearl:

bippity - the only person who made excuses was Larry Brown

the players, for the most part, kept a straight face and tried to respect the legendary Brown.

Posted by misterearl:

Who besides a loser tries to lose on purpose?

A coach trying too hard to impose his agenda over winning games

misterearl, once again the coach is gone so we don't have to deal with him but the players are still here.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by metra:

Isiah keeps making fine moves but everyone gets on his ass afterwards. Just watch.. most of the people in this thread like this move. However, by the all star game, it's gonna be "the worst move ever because there is no chemistry." Isiah's not responsible for chemistry. The coach is. And since the coach is Isiah.. well, you better believe he's gonna do a gj.

He makes fine moves talentwise.

But it is starting to get alarming that he makes moves to patch up spots then following them up with moves that he sees as better when all he is doing is double stacking the deck(signing James, drafting a PF/C in Frye then going after Curry.....having Butler on the roster, then drafting not one but 2 PF's in Frye and Lee....drafting Balkman and touting him so high, then signing someone that makes him a 4th option at the position...in the span of a year getting Steph, than a young PG in Craw, than drafting a young PG in Nate)...

Hey guys! What is the one thing that we have not had in years, maybe never had? Youth!

Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Crawford, Curry, Woods, Collins and now maybe Jeffries. I just don't remember being this young before. Have we 'ever' been this young before? Can you see what Zeke is up to.

Being young is ont thing. Being young you means have players that you can pick out that you want to develop and get time. There IS a thing as too much youth (look at the Clippers circa '98-an example I have pointed out roughly a million times before as my biggest fear that the Knicks will turn into). When you have too much youth that demands time to develop you eventually will develop none of it. Also, when you want to go young you usually have older plaers that don't warrent the time over your young guys.

I would agree, but the Clips didn't have as much promise as we do with this bunch. Frye, Lee and Nate are already being talked about as starters and starters that can make a difference in games situations. Crawford, Woods and if we get Jeffries are alreaady proven abilities, although it may sound a little like the verdict is still out there on Jefferies so far, but we'll see. Curry could be another one, young, but finally getting his game together.Most of these guys are athletic and Zeke is obviously trying to put together a defensive type team, with the additiions of Balkman and Collins aboard. What we have in our youth is depth'. In other words, If we can get three or four of these guys to star for our team (and what I mean by that is, pull some pretty good numbers, live up to what they can do), then that would be a great thing and the youth movement will definately pay off.

All in all, I'd rather take a chance on a youth movement, then a bunch of under achieving, over paid vets. At least you can see what you have, before those big contract times come up and you can have an option of either dumping or trading a young guy if it isn't working out. With a vet (example: Marbury, James, Francis) they make a lot of money with guaranteed contracts and if they don't work, your stuck with them. Give me youth any day.