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McK1
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6/3/2006  10:12 PM
Posted by misterearl:

McK1 - Please place Darko in the exact slot you think he should be chosen

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I've never seen Bargnini so I'll place him no. 2
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6/3/2006  10:13 PM
McK1 - Where would you rank Carmelo?

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6/3/2006  10:14 PM
what does Carmelo have to do with this?
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6/3/2006  11:31 PM
Posted by McK1:

what does Carmelo have to do with this?

To prove Dumars was an idiot to draft Darko over him, which proves he was an idiot to hire Brown and win a championship.
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6/3/2006  11:40 PM
i guess a better question would be if the 2003 draft was held again:

1. lebron
2. wade
3. bosh
4. melo
5. josh howard

then who would be drafted next, darko or frye?

frye is a good offensive player and you can see he has the potential to be a VERY good offensive player. he'll probably get better as a rebounder as well as he gets stronger. but i don't know if he'll ever be an effective shot blocker or defender. when it comes to defense, i alot of it is inherent and for a four year player to have problems there, isn't a great sign that he will develop into one.

darko has a nice little jumpshot and he's very strong. i don't know how to project him as an offensive player but he put up some very impressive block shot #'s. i think he had more (or close to) blocks during his 2 months in orlando than frye AND curry combined for a bulk of the season.

we'll see how it all shakes out but if we're committed to eddy at center, i think a guy like darko would be a better complement...just like i think a guy like ty thomas or josh smith would be as well.
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6/4/2006  6:41 AM
McK1 - djsu took the words right out of my left brain

>>i guess a better question would be if the 2003 draft was held again:

1. lebron
2. wade
3. bosh
4. melo
5. josh howard

then who would be drafted next, darko or frye?

(or would Darko REALLY be the second pick this year?)

djsu/ blue seats - who are YOU taking?

Darko or Frye?

you make the call
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6/4/2006  9:25 AM
Frye after the 03 season wasn't even a faint blip on the radar draft.

based on the players those teams had at the time and how that class has developed:

1. Cle - LBJ
2. Det - Bosh
3. Den - Wade
4. Tor - Melo
5. Mia - Kaman
6. Lac - Milicic
7. Chi - Hinrich
8. Mil - Ford
9. NYK - Josh Howard
10. Was - Diaw

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-04-2006 09:27 AM]
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6/4/2006  6:01 PM
I find it curious that Darko could show only a glimpse of moderate progress after two unproductive years in Detroit, and a ho-hum year in Orlando, while Channing Frye makes All Rookie first team, receives comments as a bright spot around the league and in the national media - and even has a couple of 30 point games for icing...

... and hell YES, heroic leadership and performance, under institutionalized military segregation, inherited from within ones family DOES count for something worthy of note in a team sport.

while the spoon-fed and shaky Darko was nailed to the pine in Detroit under Larry Brown... Frye EARNS significant minutes and a starting role

and MCK1 thinks Darko is instantly the better player

what's right with that opinion?
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6/4/2006  6:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

I find it curious that Darko could show only a glimpse of moderate progress after two unproductive years in Detroit, and a ho-hum year in Orlando, while Channing Frye makes All Rookie first team, receives comments as a bright spot around the league and in the national media - and even has a couple of 30 point games for icing...

... and hell YES, heroic leadership and performance, under institutionalized military segregation, inherited from within ones family DOES count for something worthy of note in a team sport.

while the spoon-fed and shaky Darko was nailed to the pine in Detroit under Larry Brown... Frye EARNS significant minutes and a starting role

and MCK1 thinks Darko is instantly the better player

what's right with that opinion?

I'm not totally agreeing with Mck1 but I wouldn't be surprised if Darko had a huge year next year. It's really tough to gauge Darko on his 2.5 years with the Pistons becuase he was playing on a championship team and never had a role other then that 11th or 12th man while Frye played on a bad team and received significant minutes. In Darko's short tenure in Orlando he played quite well. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a really big year next year, he's definately a good defensive player and can shoot the ball quite well. It'll be interesting to see.
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6/4/2006  6:13 PM
nyk4ever - it's all speculation. Anything can happen. So could Frye could be an All-Star.

who is the better player right now?
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6/4/2006  6:16 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk4ever - it's all speculation. Anything can happen. So could Frye could be an All-Star.

who is the better player right now?

Right now obviously Frye is.. right now. I just think that Frye has had more of a oppurtunity to be a better player, thats all.
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6/4/2006  6:45 PM
>>nyk4 - Right now obviously Frye is.. right now. I just think that Frye has had more of a oppurtunity to be a better player, thats all.

Did you say OBVIOUSLY? Thank You.

nyk4ever - wouldn't you agree that a lot of what happens is based on opportunity

For example, how does Tim Thomas go from Chicago's bench, to sitting at home to playing impactful basketball in a playoff series?

How does Boris Diaw go from a forgotten suspect in Atlanta as a point guard, and a trade "throw-in" to a potential All-Star, even (cough) playing CENTER, in Phoenix?

Can our beloved Knicks (under Larry Brown or anyone else for that matter) make critical decisions on minutes, redefine "opportunity" and inspire the selected players to be the most productive pros they can be?

Defining opportinity and maximum performance is what separates the mediocre coaches from the rest of the pack.

Opportunity is what can allow David Lee to grow.

Opportunity awaits Qyntel Woods if he is keeping his butt in the gym thhis Summer.

Opportinity is for the creative and the quick.

Opportunity is what awaits the Knicks draft picks at 20 and 29.

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6/4/2006  9:13 PM
Posted by misterearl:

I find it curious that Darko could show only a glimpse of moderate progress after two unproductive years in Detroit, and a ho-hum year in Orlando, while Channing Frye makes All Rookie first team, receives comments as a bright spot around the league and in the national media - and even has a couple of 30 point games for icing...

... and hell YES, heroic leadership and performance, under institutionalized military segregation, inherited from within ones family DOES count for something worthy of note in a team sport.

while the spoon-fed and shaky Darko was nailed to the pine in Detroit under Larry Brown... Frye EARNS significant minutes and a starting role

and MCK1 thinks Darko is instantly the better player

what's right with that opinion?

like I said before, if you didn't actually tune in to see Darko, you won't know what i'm talking about.

Darko didn't get PT in Detroit. He had a half year in Orlando and in that time IMO he showed alot on the court that says to me he's better than Frye.

its not a knock against Frye. Frye is KT pt 2. which means if nothing else he'll go out every night and be a very solid contributor.
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6/5/2006  5:14 PM
I've grown weary of the "who is better" discussion.

The REAL question is whether the Knicks have enough components to establish a playing style that plays to the strengths of the players in the frontourt.

Personally, I like David Lee (rebounding and ball movement) at center with Frye (long range offense) and Qyntel (point forward) up front

Jamal as the ball-handler and Nate as The Energizer Bunny until further notice.

Marbury cast as sixth man John Starks for instant offense and to get a rise from the crowd as he rips off his warmups at the scorers table. The press has enough fuel for stories about Marbury unhappy coming off the bench.

The soap opera continues.

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6/5/2006  5:47 PM
and anudder thing

every time Eddy Curry scores in 2006, I expect to hear a deafening silence.

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6/5/2006  5:53 PM
Posted by misterearl:

and anudder thing

every time Eddy Curry scores in 2006, I expect to hear a deafening silence.

Let my people run!

and what should we expect to hear every time he falls to floor like a beached whale with another "injury," or shys away form the boards or pulls the same senseless move to the hoop resulting in an offensive foul?
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6/5/2006  6:01 PM
Curry Haterade

c'mon Marv - players get injured. Of course, EVERTHING is wrong with the Knicks these days but... Curry ain't the problem.

With regards to "senseless" moves to the rack, he'll adapt and add four points per game to his scoring average with more minutes.

Guaranteed.

Meanwhile, I'd change back to the 1965 uniforms with the snazzy belt and trim and trash the orange "throwbacks". The white warmup jackets must also be brought back.

Gotta start someplace.
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