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nyk4ever
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5/30/2006  4:49 PM
Posted by oohah:
Talk about defensive!

I notice that there are a couple of guys who try to jump up and take a swipe at me at random intervals when they feel I am too preoccupied to bother with them, but none so much as you nyk4ever.

Why is that?

oohah

Honestly, I don't like the way you treat people on this messageboard.
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5/30/2006  4:53 PM
Honestly, I don't like the way you treat people on this messageboard.

Who appointed you protector of a bunch of grown men? This passive-aggresive behavior of yours is cowardly. Jab and run, jab and run. You have a problem with me step up and say so.

Like I said, piggy-backing on other people's gripes is sissy behavior.

By the way, I don't care much for you either, but I have never felt the need to take random jabs at you. See? That's the way big boys act!

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5/30/2006  4:54 PM
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5/30/2006  4:57 PM
Oh, doompah, you reveal yourself well enough without my provocations.

Just keep doing what you're doing.

I find you humorous - in more ways than one - and that's more than I get from most folks, so it ain't all bad.

See ya soon, and keep a stiff upper lip.

BTW, when I read your posts i can't get away from this image of Bill Laimbeer: red in the face, eyebrows furrowed upward, arms outstretched with palms toward the sky, pleading with the ref "why me?" after getting called for clotheslining someone who muscled him the prior possession.

See ya, Bill.
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5/30/2006  4:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
Honestly, I don't like the way you treat people on this messageboard.

Who appointed you protector of a bunch of grown men? This passive-aggresive behavior of yours is cowardly. Jab and run, jab and run. You have a problem with me step up and say so.

Like I said, piggy-backing on other people's gripes is sissy behavior.

By the way, I don't care much for you either, but I have never felt the need to take random jabs at you. See? That's the way big boys act!

oohah

Actually Oohah, you have taken jabs at me becuase I wouldn't have taken any back at you. Maybe I'll take the time to find it, maybe I won't.

And No, no one appointed me a protector, you asked me a question and I answered it. I think you have a huge problem in conversing in a civilized manner and that is what internet forums are all about. All this trash about sissy behavior and crap, thats not waht this forum is about, and being a member of this forum for a longer period of time than you, I feel it's my responsibility to let you know of this becuase this forum before you signed up wasn't about what your making it.
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5/30/2006  5:05 PM
Oh, doompah, you reveal yourself well enough without my provocations.

Finally you admit to being the provacateur! Happy day!

Just keep doing what you're doing.

I find you humorous - in more ways than one - and that's more than I get from most folks, so it ain't all bad.

See ya soon, and keep a stiff upper lip.

Okay, I'll stop crying about slander, reputation and credibility.

BTW, when I read your posts i can't get away from this image of Bill Laimbeer: red in the face, eyebrows furrowed upward, arms outstretched with palms toward the sky, pleading with the ref "why me?" after getting called for clotheslining someone who muscled him the prior possession.

Really, you remind me of horseshack from welcome back kotter. Whiny and a poor study.

See ya, Bill.

Let's hope not poo-seat.

oohah

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5/30/2006  5:13 PM
Actually Oohah, you have taken jabs at me becuase I wouldn't have taken any back at you. Maybe I'll take the time to find it, maybe I won't.

You definitely won't because if you do, you will find that any shot I have taken at you, was in return to one you took at me.

And No, no one appointed me a protector, you asked me a question and I answered it. I think you have a huge problem in conversing in a civilized manner and that is what internet forums are all about. All this trash about sissy behavior and crap, thats not waht this forum is about, and being a member of this forum for a longer period of time than you, I feel it's my responsibility to let you know of this becuase this forum before you signed up wasn't about what your making it.

Again, you like to focus on the effect but not the cause. You know why I know I don't throw the first blow? Because that is my rule. I will always converse respectfully until insults are made towards me. I never throw the first insult.

However, once that insult is thrown, I no longer feel any obligation to converse respectfully. At that point we always find out that the guys who felt they needed to insult because they ran out of argument can't take it the way they like to dish it out.

Your reasoning that you feel you can police my posts (By throwing random insults at me) because you signed up a few months ahead of me is exactly the reason why I don't bother with you. Your thought process is weak.

Now run along, would you?

oohah

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5/30/2006  5:17 PM
Posted by oohah:
Actually Oohah, you have taken jabs at me becuase I wouldn't have taken any back at you. Maybe I'll take the time to find it, maybe I won't.

You definitely won't because if you do, you will find that any shot I have taken at you, was in return to one you took at me.

And No, no one appointed me a protector, you asked me a question and I answered it. I think you have a huge problem in conversing in a civilized manner and that is what internet forums are all about. All this trash about sissy behavior and crap, thats not waht this forum is about, and being a member of this forum for a longer period of time than you, I feel it's my responsibility to let you know of this becuase this forum before you signed up wasn't about what your making it.

Again, you like to focus on the effect but not the cause. You know why I know I don't throw the first blow? Because that is my rule. I will always converse respectfully until insults are made towards me. I never throw the first insult.

However, once that insult is thrown, I no longer feel any obligation to converse respectfully. At that point we always find out that the guys who felt they needed to insult because they ran out of argument can't take it the way they like to dish it out.

Your reasoning that you feel you can police my posts (By throwing random insults at me) because you signed up a few months ahead of me is exactly the reason why I don't bother with you. Your thought process is weak.

Now run along, would you?

oohah

I'm not stooping to your level, Oohah. Your macho-persona on a internet forum is beyond funny, it borders hilarious.
Now run along, would you?

The insults at the end of your posts are always so childish, just thought you'd like to know.

Good luck with your stay on this board.
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5/30/2006  5:20 PM
Posted by oohah:


Again, you like to focus on the effect but not the cause. You know why I know I don't throw the first blow? Because that is my rule. I will always converse respectfully until insults are made towards me. I never throw the first insult.

However, once that insult is thrown, I no longer feel any obligation to converse respectfully. At that point we always find out that the guys who felt they needed to insult because they ran out of argument can't take it the way they like to dish it out.


This is what separates you from others. Most accept that things can get a little testy from time to time without feeling the need to use that opportunity to go ballistic. But with you it's like one you stub toes with someone it's justification to chop their head off while trying to claim the higher ground on civility.

You seem to have trouble with proportionality, IMHO. It's like road-rage where a dude shoots someone for getting in front of him at a merge.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 05-30-2006 5:23 PM]
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5/30/2006  5:22 PM
I'm not stooping to your level, Oohah. Your macho-persona on a internet forum is beyond funny, it borders hilarious.

The guy who casts random insults whenever he gets the chance is not stooping to my level? I think you mean "stepping up to".

The insults at the end of your posts are always so childish, just thought you'd like to know.

Okay Mr. high-reasoning. That was not an insult, it was a request. You may have found it insulting because I made it seem as if I were addressing a child, and believe me, that was intentional. I won't address you as a child if you act like a big-boy.

Good luck with your stay on this board.

Thank you! I'm not sure what you mean by that, and I really don't care either, You are a non-entity to me.

oohah

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5/30/2006  5:28 PM
This is what separates you from others. Most accept that things can get a little testy from time to time without feeling the need to use that opportunity to go ballistic. But with you it's like one you stub toes with someone it's justification to chop their head off while trying to claim the higher ground on civility.

You seem to have trouble with proportionality, IMHO.

A more accurate analogy would be if during normal face-to-face conversation you suddenly slapped someone. At that point they should not start punching you with closed fists, since you only slapped, but you really don't have the right to choose or complain since you decided to escalate matters, do you? And complaining because that person escalated after your escalation is a little hypocritical isn't it?

What separates me from others is that I don't insult first, unlike yourself, who starts insulting early and often.

You can have your opinion on how far I should take things, I don't care.

Just remember this: Don't insult me and I won't insult you! Translation: Static, don't start none won't be none.

oohah

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5/30/2006  5:30 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Oh, doompah, you reveal yourself well enough without my provocations.

Just keep doing what you're doing.

I find you humorous - in more ways than one - and that's more than I get from most folks, so it ain't all bad.

See ya soon, and keep a stiff upper lip.

BTW, when I read your posts i can't get away from this image of Bill Laimbeer: red in the face, eyebrows furrowed upward, arms outstretched with palms toward the sky, pleading with the ref "why me?" after getting called for clotheslining someone who muscled him the prior possession.

See ya, Bill.

Speaking of Dirty Bill and childish behavior. I found this quote, well not a quote but a letter that Sir Charles sent Bill a couple of years ago. I think people on this forum will have to start sending e-mail like this.

Letter from Charles Barkley to Bill Laimbeer, I think in 1989:
Dear Bill,
F*@k You.
Charles
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5/30/2006  5:45 PM
Lets get one thing straight

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5/30/2006  7:01 PM
Posted by oohah:
This is what separates you from others. Most accept that things can get a little testy from time to time without feeling the need to use that opportunity to go ballistic. But with you it's like one you stub toes with someone it's justification to chop their head off while trying to claim the higher ground on civility.

You seem to have trouble with proportionality, IMHO.

A more accurate analogy would be if during normal face-to-face conversation you suddenly slapped someone. At that point they should not start punching you with closed fists, since you only slapped, but you really don't have the right to choose or complain since you decided to escalate matters, do you? And complaining because that person escalated after your escalation is a little hypocritical isn't it?

What separates me from others is that I don't insult first, unlike yourself, who starts insulting early and often.

You can have your opinion on how far I should take things, I don't care.

Just remember this: Don't insult me and I won't insult you! Translation: Static, don't start none won't be none.

oohah

I suspect most patrons of the anger management class feel equally justified.

And why don't you show us all these heinous first insults you take as a slap to the face?

This I believe was all it took this time:
Brown again acknowledged it will take time for the players to learn his system, but he seemed to indicate it might take longer than he first assumed. While the team is learning how to play defense, he wants them to temporarily play a more deliberate half-court offense in order to slow the game down and prevent teams from scoring 114 points, as the Sixers did Tuesday.

He started that process yesterday, which he doesn't like to do because he likes to run the ball at the defense as much as possible. But after watching Tuesday's game, he came to the realization that the team isn't learning what he has been teaching.


Then here we are again in mid Novemeber:

quote:
Brown lamented the Knicks' lack of organization on offense and pointed out that even a rookie like Channing Frye could see it going helter skelter. Brown said Frye approached him at the airport after Wednesday's loss and said, "Coach, it's amazing. When things get tough, instead of us slowing it down and executing to get a good set, very rarely do we get in good position to run a play."

Brown has become so uncertain about what his players can do, that he said he will pare down the Knicks' playbook to just a handful of sets. He already has taken to calling plays from the bench, something he hates doing, and on fastbreak opportunities he will limit them to two options.

In practice, before games and in timeouts, Brown has been hammering home his most basic tenets in the hope that repetition will lead to execution.

"If you say it a hundred times, you've got to say it a thousand times until they get it," he said. "I want to be specific so there's no indecision at all. That's what I told them again today. We're going to limit the things we do."

BTW, you once went so far as to call me a "liar" for stating that Brown utilized a small playbook for us. Care to eat your words now?

This is the "open slap to the face" you feel entitles you to "no longer feel any obligation to converse respectfully"? Why, because I paraphrased you and proved you wrong?

I don't want this to appear like I'm in endless loop mode here, but can we not bring this to a point where people can stub toes without taking out their axes?

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 05-30-2006 8:20 PM]
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5/31/2006  12:03 AM
OK oohah, I'll try it your way...

quote: Bro, what Meds are you on?

Joe, I'm on the type of meds that allow me to read and understand what I am reading. Try them sometime. You want to chime in on an argument, feel free, but don't get so upset when you get responded to okay BRO?

Reading comprehension is a skill not a med. Noone is upset in the least just curious. Exactly what riled you up? I said the following...
Bro, facts are something quantifiable. If you are looking for what is technically referred to as facts, well, this is a message board for fans and noone in the Knick organization posts here (to our knowledge). So hardcore facts are not goijng to be found here. Our facts are published reports of any sort.

Blue is posting the best facts he can short of saying he is LB and this is what is happening. You are taking Blue's facts and are teisting them more than Chubby Checker.

So far from what I read ( I read to about halfway down page 3 when you decided to quote every sentence-BTW, 99% of the posters on this board can not respond to posts like that for no other reason it is tedious and time consuming) the only one presenting "facts" is Blue. You are just taking what Blue brings up and just casting it in the different light of your opinion.
You replied
I have seen from comments on this thread and the other thread that you like blueseats and that is fine, but he is a big boy who does not need a bodyguard and you should let him handle his own business.
In no way am I defending anyone just agreeing with an opinion. You take my comments as a personal slight don't. It isn't. I don't know you, and if this is actually your personality, I really don't think I'd care to.

Since you have already thrown the first insult maybe you are the one who should check his tone.

And what would that be? The meds comment? The meds comment in regards to the "fact" that I like Blueseats?

I did not hijack anything. Blueseats decided to attack me on this thread regarding a thread from over a week ago, trying to "make me eat my words" and he was absolutely incorrect. That is where the hijacking occured.

So what do you call this? A Thread titled "Why couldn't we play uptempo" has evolved into a two way conversation between Oohah and Blue seats that noone else can respond to.....once again by your own admission...

Now let's see if you can let the exchange between blueseats and myself go since it should not concern you in the least bit.

That's called hijacking bro when noone can post an opinion on a thread because you to want to have a little lover's quarrel (oh...um, no offense, because you know I like Blueseats)

I don't recall stating that I was threatened by you or that you were running protection, but since I am on the type of meds that allow me to read and understand what I am reading, I can see that you are trying to get his back while simultaneously disparaging me.
Really...you don't recall? ok, let me help you...
I have seen from comments on this thread and the other thread that you like blueseats and that is fine, but he is a big boy who does not need a bodyguard and you should let him handle his own business.
Jog the ol' memory?

Tell you what Joe, if you have a problem with me or my style, avoid me, or confront me on your own, you don't need to piggyback on someone else's gripe to take a shot. That is sissy behavior.

I have a problem with noone, this is a free exchange of ideas. Oh, BTW, thanks for not insulting my "sissy" behavior of apparently piggybacking of arguments that I guess I do alot because you know, if you actually said I behaved in a "sissy" way that can be taken as an insult, but you don't do insults so I guess I'm okay.

This thread would have returned to its normal state if you didn't feel the need to "call me out" or whatever the hell you think you did, so don't accuse me of starting a pissing contest when you are standing there with your joint out.

Um....ok....never called anyone out, don't have to get in a pissing contest (no challenge), once again stating ideas so um...posting an idea qualifies standing with my "joint out" I guess....ok...well....other than all that, I guess this sentence is 100% correct.

Now let's see if you can let the exchange between blueseats and myself go since it should not concern you in the least bit.

Oh yeah, because you and Blue are the only two who can say their piece on this and we all know how hijacking a thread is just something you wouldn't do......

Who else wants to bring it?


Dood...your at a like 11 on the roid rage meter....we need you at more of a 4 or 5....
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5/31/2006  1:05 AM
hahahaahaha

Man this is great. Back in the day I used to do this type of thing when I came back to the dorm room drunk, just wondering, you guys drunk, hungover, or something else?

As why we could not run, thats an easy question, you can't run when you takin the ball out of your own basket. You need stops and turnovers to have transition opportunities. We did not play a lick of defense, and to top it of, we also gave up some key offensive reboudns late in games even thoug our general rebounding was ok.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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Reading comprehension is a skill not a med. Noone is upset in the least just curious. Exactly what riled you up? I said the following...

Bro, all I did was explain to you, as a man would to another man, that what Blueseats and I were discussing had nothing to do with basketball, but with his personal vendetta on me. You did in fact chime in with comments backing him and disparaging me, and I explained to you frankly that he doesn't need help in his personal attack on me. You were not commenting on the thread topic, you were commenting on his tirade. This is very poor etiquette in the society we live in.Just go back and read the posts.

Also, go ahead and read the following:

Blue is posting the best facts he can short of saying he is LB and this is what is happening. You are taking Blue's facts and are teisting them more than Chubby Checker.

And the few posts I have seen from you to blueseats have been friendly and complimentary, that was all I meant about his being your friend. So now who is overreacting?

I made no comments towards you that can be considered as riled up until you started with this 'meds' stuff. Now you have decided to insult me several more times, so go ahead and get mad when I answer you in kind, I really don't care.

In no way am I defending anyone just agreeing with an opinion. You take my comments as a personal slight don't. It isn't. I don't know you, and if this is actually your personality, I really don't think I'd care to.

Go back and read your post, then read the chain of posts I am about to post. Your commentary had nothing to do with the topic of the thread, but the personal vendetta that blueseats hijacked the thread with. Just go back and read and all will be revealed.

If you are the type of person who feels the need to be the peanut gallery in the altercations of other persons whom he does not know, whether it be on a public street or a public forum, you are not the type of person I would like to know. So if you don't want to know me, no loss there.

And what would that be? The meds comment? The meds comment in regards to the "fact" that I like Blueseats?

What do Meds have to do with your like of blueseats? You simply overreacted. Why did that get your ears up so quick? Maybe you should examine that. So you responded with an insult plain and simple. If you feel strong enough about your insult to commit it to type, you should feel strong enough to own up to it.

That's called hijacking bro when noone can post an opinion on a thread because you to want to have a little lover's quarrel (oh...um, no offense, because you know I like Blueseats)

BRO, hijacking is what your homegirl blueseats did. The topic he brought onto this thread was a personal gripe that had nothing to do with the thread topic. Your chiming in on his personal gripe had nothing to do with this thread. Get it?
Really...you don't recall? ok, let me help you...

Jog the ol' memory?

If you feel the need to jump in on a topic that has nothing to do with the thread topic, a topic that is a personal tirade against me from blueseats, disparaging me in the process while pumping him up, that is acting like you are his bodyguard. My suggestion to you is in all walks of life, let other people who are arguing a personal issue that is none of your affair argue without your help.

Does that sound reasonable?

I have a problem with noone, this is a free exchange of ideas. Oh, BTW, thanks for not insulting my "sissy" behavior of apparently piggybacking of arguments that I guess I do alot because you know, if you actually said I behaved in a "sissy" way that can be taken as an insult, but you don't do insults so I guess I'm okay.

Like I have written so many times, once you insult, don't cry when it comes back to you. You want to go there with this 'meds' stuff, don't be upset when I point out chiming in on other folks personal arguments is sissy behavior. And it is sissy behavior.

Um....ok....never called anyone out, don't have to get in a pissing contest (no challenge), once again stating ideas so um...posting an idea qualifies standing with my "joint out" I guess....ok...well....other than all that, I guess this sentence is 100% correct.

In fact you did you just edited it out later...for some reason:
I am responding to posts on this thread just like 5 other guys have who you apparently don't feel like calling out, so do what you do bro.

I had a feeling that blueseats would just let it rest, but you had to stir it all up again.

And you are right, there is no challenge between us in a pissing contest, a battle of the wits, or any other event...I win.

Dood...your at a like 11 on the roid rage meter....we need you at more of a 4 or 5....



Wow, posting topless pictures of your significant other just to get me? How far will you go? Does it hurt when it goes in?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 05-31-2006 04:23 AM]
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Okay blueseats. You've done it now. You should have let it rest.

I am going to prove several things beyond question:

1) You initiated contact with me on the previous thread and this thread.
2)All testiness and insults were initiated by you.
3)Escalation of testiness and insult was commited by you at a much more rapid pace than myself.
4)You sat for 2 weeks planning your revenge on me.

After I have proven those points the conclusion will be that you are the one who has an anger problem, you are the one who can't remember what actually a happened and you are just flat out wrong.

You will even admit to throwing the first stone!

All will be substantiated!

I really don't expect you to read the chain of posts because YOU KNOW that you will have been proven to be the instigator and initiator of every round of insult.

After that has all been taken care of I will await your apology.

Ground Rules: I will bold all comments in red that could be considered testy or insulting . I will cut quotes from the text using *** leaving only the responses: Yours or mine.

Now we will commence.

oohah

[Edited by - oohah on 05-31-2006 03:32 AM]
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http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15926&page=3

First off, 19 days ago you engaged me first with this post:

oohah and newyorknewyork, you guys are focusing too much on what Brown asked of the players when the focus should have been on what they gave him. You guys might even think you're in agreement with each other on Brown but I don't think you are. Ohhah seems to want a run and gun up-tempo thing while nyny wants the old marbury dominated penetrate and dish that got us 33 wins last year.


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oohah

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http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=15926&page=4

I replied as such. No testiness or insults. That is why nothing is bolded in red.

I don't know what newyork newyork wants from the team in regards to a playing philosphy, but I know what I want first and foremost: Consistency. Without consistency no style of play can be successful because the players will always be uncomfortable.

Now to "run and gun". Nobody has ever seen me suggest a run and gun style. In this forum, that term has been used to denigrate an attacking, athletic style of play as if half-court is the "way to play" and running is some kind of payoff for solid half-court play.

The fact is this team is (was?) athletic, young, long, had snappy ball handlers and good finishers. I'll bet dollars to donuts that the Knicks percentages while attacking and forcing a faster pace are far better than those that they posted while playing strict X and O half court sets.

And it is very hard to execute when the lineup changes every night.

Let's just say that playing differently got 33 wins this year. We'd all be a lot happier now. We wouldn't be waiting with baited breath hoping that Chicago does not get to pick number 1 for us. The fact is, we are HOPING to get to 33 next year!

How does anyone miss that?

I can't see anything more wrong with any style of play that gets us more than 23 wins. Wins are what they play for, not pats on the back about playing the right way. And you know what? If you only win 23 games you ain't playin' the right way, and you aren't being played the right way!

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So? If we get to sub-mediocrity next year PLAYING ANY STYLE we will all be a lot happier. I can't understand anyone dissing last year's playing style while comaring it to this year's. Bad as it was, it was 33% more successful than this year's, so I don't get the point.


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This year worse than stunk! ANYTHING is better! If this team played an uptempo, attacking style, they would have been at least as good as last year's team, and that is bad. This year was a disaster, there is no comparison.

It almost sounds as if you think this year was better, when it was clearly, clearly, worse by a loooooong shot.

I'll take more of the same 33 wins if the alternative is 23 wins with no pick.

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I can't get into the Brown Vs. Marbury, I'm a fan of niether. Marbury did his job better than Brown did though.

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I don't know what you mean. Catering has nothing to do with it. "Coach, go get the most you can out of your team." That is it. It seems like some don't want to admit that NOTHING Brown did worked this year, except letting the players use their god-given athletic abilities for 6 games, which miraculously coincided with a 6 game win streak and the most entertaining basketball we saw all season.

Also, you have ignored that one thing Brown has not had anywhere, and that is sustained success. He has a curve, and the success of his teams drop off pretty steeply, and then he leaves town for another job that he was negotiating for while his team was going to hell.

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When was this coup d'etat that they speak of in the legends? Nearly every player on the team, including Brown's pets AD and Rose had a bone to pick. Everyone says that Marbury is not a leader and his teammates don't like him, but now he is leading a revolution! Well if he is, the other players did not take too much convincing, and that includes all the vets.

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Is SM a jerk? Yes, we all agree about that. If playing that jerk in a way that maximizes his abilities leads him to a strong statistical season and 10 more wins than 23, great, at least you can trade him and we won't be in the absolute cellar of the NBA. I think that is more relevant than his well-documented poor attitude.

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3 out of the 4 in the "coaches corner" faction had the most disappointing seasons on the team. NR was a starter, then couldn't get off the bench, so his support did him no good.

What matters is production and the record that results from said production. All the rest is a red herring.

I see no problem with offering a "no comment" Why is that bad? I think that is quite mature! Why should lying be good?

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At least half of it can be laid at the coaches feet. He is the leader. It is his job to keep the team together, but the fact was he didn't care. The team was 7-21 before any trades were made, so I don't see how asset gathering played a role. The team was 7-21 before anyone questioned effort. However, Brown was in full force deflecting blame before the season even started.

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You are offereng an awful lot of speculation as to when and what the reasons for the effortful periods of play were. This stuff about SM leading the team against the coach is entirely made up. So is this stuff about factions. LB turned each player against him all by his own self.

Jamal is a Brown supporter? I don't know that and neither does anyone else. JC keeps his mouth shut and says the "right thing" when he has to. And I am not impressed by JC's or the team's so-called growth. Growth is not when you have 90% a god-awful season then finally start playing decent for the last 10%. That is known as "finally getting your s.hit together" I'll believe it when I see it sustained next season when it matters.

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Chemistry and unity. Tell me: Did Brown create any? Did he do anything to maintain or grow it? Or did he destroy any hope of it?

Effort? Our best effort players, NR and Lee, never knew when they would play.

So I guess I agree with you, if Brown had continued playing the Knicks in a style that absolutely does not fit this personnel, but at least fostered some effort, unity, and CONSISTENCY, perhaps the Knicks would have been in contention for the 8th spot in the playoffs.

And you know what that would have been?

An improvement.

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