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jaydh
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12/30/2005  11:57 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Isiah is killing this franchise.

He's such a piece of ****.

Stacks the lineup with offense, and relies on over-the-hill role players for defense.

And then, on top of it all, he tries to defend it all by claiming we're rebuilding on a 125 million $$ payroll.


wah wah wah


thats all i'm seeing here
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12/30/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by jaydh:

wah wah wah


thats all i'm seeing here

B/c youre a dumb homer fan?

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/30/2005  12:00 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

This draft is shaping up to be top heavy which is exactly where the Bulls look to be using our pick. And next year isn't supposed to be weak with lots of impact players available in the lottery.

I'll still take Curry(since we traded the picks to get him) over Gay, Morrison and Aldridge and I'd do it any day of the week.




[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-30-2005 11:48 AM]

as would i

Man I loved the way he worked it against Orlando. 29 and 9 in what, 20-something minutes? Really stood up to Howard. Even hit a bunch of FT's. Please keep it up.
Also interesting that he reinjured himself on the alley-oop. It was a strange play - Jamal threw it flat-footed and with a pretty low arc, I thought Eddy did a great job of converting it, but the timing was awkward from the beginning.

Just for the record, this may be the first time I've praised Eddy Curry in my life.
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12/30/2005  12:02 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by jaydh:

wah wah wah


thats all i'm seeing here

B/c youre a dumb homer fan?

sure thing moron... impatient fans, WAH i cant believe we arent winning, wah!!


[Edited by - jaydh on 12-30-2005 12:03 PM]
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12/30/2005  12:02 PM
Posted by Marv:


Man I loved the way he worked it against Orlando. 29 and 9 in what, 20-something minutes? Really stood up to Howard. Even hit a bunch of FT's. Please keep it up.
Also interesting that he reinjured himself on the alley-oop. It was a strange play - Jamal threw it flat-footed and with a pretty low arc, I thought Eddy did a great job of converting it, but the timing was awkward from the beginning.

Just for the record, this may be the first time I've praised Eddy Curry in my life.

Curry was a beast against the Magic, I think its a good sign of things to come when he can get on the floor and doesnt have to worry about nagging injuries. This is the reason Isiah acquired him and to anyone that says he'll never stay on the court for an extended period of time - I'll never put anything past a 23 year old.

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12/30/2005  12:04 PM
The problem the Knicks have had is in not obtaining franchise caliber talent. NY didn't shred Clyde, Monroe, Reed, King and Ewing (he had problems with fans but not on the level we are discussing).

NY is impatient with management for sticking us with faux talent year after year.

The sad truth of the NBA is that with very RARE exception you ain't contending without top 5 talent, or sometimes two top 10 talents.

We simply aren't on track to get that level of talent and some of us are frustrated with the alternative machinations we go thru to look like we're busy or "competing".
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12/30/2005  12:05 PM
Posted by jaydh:
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Isles, why is it that you fault Zeke for not being able to see in the future what you see in hindsight?
The way Curry is going, being out of shape and injury prone, I wouldn't trade him for a top 3 pick

I was happy with the trade then because I truly believe this draft is weak, and the next one will also be weak.

It wasn't hindsight. I was very rational in why I disliked these trades from the beginning and unfortunately the reasons why I disliked them have come to fruition.

This draft is shaping up to be top heavy which is exactly where the Bulls look to be using our pick. And next year isn't supposed to be weak with lots of impact players available in the lottery.


you just dislike everything isiah does. you wouldnt even have to read the trade, all you hear is, Isiah made a trade, must be bad.

You'd have a point if everything reason I've given for disliking the trades wasn't valid. With a 7-20 record, no lottery picks and no cap room I think I'm pretty justified.
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12/30/2005  12:06 PM
The guy HAS to get into shape and he has to also read some books or something to get smarter. If he doesn't get in shape, those injuries are gonna come a lot more and sooner in between. And if he doesn't get his head outta his ars, he's still gonna get 12 offensive fouls a game and not learn defense.
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12/30/2005  12:07 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:

Isles, why is it that you fault Zeke for not being able to see in the future what you see in hindsight?
The way Curry is going, being out of shape and injury prone, I wouldn't trade him for a top 3 pick

I was happy with the trade then because I truly believe this draft is weak, and the next one will also be weak.

It wasn't hindsight. I was very rational in why I disliked these trades from the beginning and unfortunately the reasons why I disliked them have come to fruition.

This draft is shaping up to be top heavy which is exactly where the Bulls look to be using our pick. And next year isn't supposed to be weak with lots of impact players available in the lottery.


you just dislike everything isiah does. you wouldnt even have to read the trade, all you hear is, Isiah made a trade, must be bad.

You'd have a point if everything reason I've given for disliking the trades wasn't valid. With a 7-20 record, no lottery picks and no cap room I think I'm pretty justified.


wow, you mean we still have no cap room?! we've never had caproom since the day the cap was put in. how do you expect that to change all of a sudden?
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12/30/2005  12:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:


Man I loved the way he worked it against Orlando. 29 and 9 in what, 20-something minutes? Really stood up to Howard. Even hit a bunch of FT's. Please keep it up.
Also interesting that he reinjured himself on the alley-oop. It was a strange play - Jamal threw it flat-footed and with a pretty low arc, I thought Eddy did a great job of converting it, but the timing was awkward from the beginning.

Just for the record, this may be the first time I've praised Eddy Curry in my life.

Curry was a beast against the Magic, I think its a good sign of things to come when he can get on the floor and doesnt have to worry about nagging injuries. This is the reason Isiah acquired him and to anyone that says he'll never stay on the court for an extended period of time - I'll never put anything past a 23 year old.

He shows up once every week or 2 and people claim that that's why it was a good deal no matter what we gave him. So what about the games where he doesn't show up or is too injured to play which outnumber the games where he plays very well?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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12/30/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:


Man I loved the way he worked it against Orlando. 29 and 9 in what, 20-something minutes? Really stood up to Howard. Even hit a bunch of FT's. Please keep it up.
Also interesting that he reinjured himself on the alley-oop. It was a strange play - Jamal threw it flat-footed and with a pretty low arc, I thought Eddy did a great job of converting it, but the timing was awkward from the beginning.

Just for the record, this may be the first time I've praised Eddy Curry in my life.

Curry was a beast against the Magic, I think its a good sign of things to come when he can get on the floor and doesnt have to worry about nagging injuries. This is the reason Isiah acquired him and to anyone that says he'll never stay on the court for an extended period of time - I'll never put anything past a 23 year old.

He shows up once every week or 2 and people claim that that's why it was a good deal no matter what we gave him. So what about the games where he doesn't show up or is too injured to play which outnumber the games where he plays very well?

I think its a great sign that your starting center can dominate Dwight Howard during a game. Curry's had a bad streak of nagging injuries and once the training staff is able to work with him when he's not injured then he'll be able to work the kinks out with his conditioning.
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12/30/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by jaydh:

sure thing moron... impatient fans, WAH i cant believe we arent winning, wah!!


[Edited by - jaydh on 12-30-2005 12:03 PM]

No stupid.

I'm not complaining about not winning. I expected a very slow start.

I also don't expect it to get all that much better 2 years from now, seeing as how Isiah has built this franchise on all offense, and ZERO defense and rebounding.

It's sad really. NY is all about playing hard, leaving it all out on the court, and not taking **** from anyone.

Isiah has managed, instead, to INCREASE payroll to an all time high 125 million, all the while providing 1 of the best coaches in the league with 1 of the WORST starting lineups in the league. We can't defend, and we can't rely on any rebounders. I don't give a **** about team rebounding. Watch what happens when the playoffs roll around (if we EVER get there).

Fire Isiah. Stop the bleeding. Enough is enough.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/30/2005  12:12 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

The guy HAS to get into shape and he has to also read some books or something to get smarter. If he doesn't get in shape, those injuries are gonna come a lot more and sooner in between. And if he doesn't get his head outta his ars, he's still gonna get 12 offensive fouls a game and not learn defense.

This guy has injury prone written all over him, especially as he gets older. He's way too heavy and out of shape and he doesn't have the work ethic to change that. Being constantly out of shape is going to lead to injury after injury, especially to his legs which can't take the pounding. This isn't a one year problem, it will be an ongoing theme.
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12/30/2005  12:14 PM
It's sad really. NY is all about playing hard, leaving it all out on the court, and not taking **** from anyone.

Judging by that quote, you would THINK that having good basketball players means nothing. Yeah, playing hard and leaving it all on the court is fine and dandy, but I don't see our guys slacking for the most part. I just see them not having a clue on how to play basketball, and if they learn, you're going to be saying "We have the hardest working team in the NBA. Proud to be a Knicks fan!"
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12/30/2005  12:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Allanfan20:

The guy HAS to get into shape and he has to also read some books or something to get smarter. If he doesn't get in shape, those injuries are gonna come a lot more and sooner in between. And if he doesn't get his head outta his ars, he's still gonna get 12 offensive fouls a game and not learn defense.

This guy has injury prone written all over him, especially as he gets older. He's way too heavy and out of shape and he doesn't have the work ethic to change that. Being constantly out of shape is going to lead to injury after injury, especially to his legs which can't take the pounding. This isn't a one year problem, it will be an ongoing theme.

You don't think that the Knicks training staff knows this? They will work with him but he's been injured with a calf problem since training camp since he wasn't allowed to workout all that much in the offseason. A injured calf will drastically hamper your ability to work on your stamina.
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12/30/2005  12:14 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Fire Isiah. Stop the bleeding. Enough is enough.

yea, i'm sure that'll turn things right around... who would replace him again?
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12/30/2005  12:15 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:

Isles, why is it that you fault Zeke for not being able to see in the future what you see in hindsight?
The way Curry is going, being out of shape and injury prone, I wouldn't trade him for a top 3 pick

I was happy with the trade then because I truly believe this draft is weak, and the next one will also be weak.

It wasn't hindsight. I was very rational in why I disliked these trades from the beginning and unfortunately the reasons why I disliked them have come to fruition.

This draft is shaping up to be top heavy which is exactly where the Bulls look to be using our pick. And next year isn't supposed to be weak with lots of impact players available in the lottery.


you just dislike everything isiah does. you wouldnt even have to read the trade, all you hear is, Isiah made a trade, must be bad.

You'd have a point if everything reason I've given for disliking the trades wasn't valid. With a 7-20 record, no lottery picks and no cap room I think I'm pretty justified.


wow, you mean we still have no cap room?! we've never had caproom since the day the cap was put in. how do you expect that to change all of a sudden?

After next season we could have had a lot of cap room after Houston's contract was taken off the books. It's not hard to plan 3 years in advance. Lottery picks in 04, 05, 06 and a good pick in a deep 07 draft, plus the cap room to go after a top free agent or 2 would have been a pretty solid foundation don't you think?
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12/30/2005  12:15 PM
If Dolan did fire Isiah, I'd like to see Larry Brown take up the GM duties as well. Larry knows exactly what he wants and what he needs, I'd like to see him as the gm.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-30-2005 12:16 PM]
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12/30/2005  12:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:


After next season we could have had a lot of cap room after Houston's contract was taken off the books. It's not hard to plan 3 years in advance. Lottery picks in 04, 05, 06 and a good pick in a deep 07 draft, plus the cap room to go after a top free agent or 2 would have been a pretty solid foundation don't you think?

I'm not sure Dolan is happy with a approach that leads right into the lottery. Yes the Knicks might end up there anyway but I'm pretty sure he wants the Knicks to always look like a playoff team.

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12/30/2005  12:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Allanfan20:

The guy HAS to get into shape and he has to also read some books or something to get smarter. If he doesn't get in shape, those injuries are gonna come a lot more and sooner in between. And if he doesn't get his head outta his ars, he's still gonna get 12 offensive fouls a game and not learn defense.

This guy has injury prone written all over him, especially as he gets older. He's way too heavy and out of shape and he doesn't have the work ethic to change that. Being constantly out of shape is going to lead to injury after injury, especially to his legs which can't take the pounding. This isn't a one year problem, it will be an ongoing theme.

You don't think that the Knicks training staff knows this? They will work with him but he's been injured with a calf problem since training camp since he wasn't allowed to workout all that much in the offseason. A injured calf will drastically hamper your ability to work on your stamina.

That's the misconception. He was allowed to workout. He just wasn't allowed to play basketball.
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