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12/28/2005  1:36 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm going to tell you right now. A week from now I will subtly start a thread about somehting I heard or saw Marbury do. I guarantee you a week after that it will be considered fact on this site.

Yes, and that's relevant because all those on the myriad of Knicks boards and the paid professional commentators and analysts who are in agreement on Steph all get their info here.

DJ, stop it or you'll get Steph traded unfairly.
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12/28/2005  1:36 PM
BlueSeats you miss the point yet again on your last post. Most of us don't give a rat's as-se whether Marbs is our starting PG or not. I don't give a cr-ap what the name is on that jersey. But I do know that blaming Marbs for the crappy state of our roster is ridiculous. If you didn't want him out of town so bad you might notice that it is not us who have the problem with objectivity.

The media is a funny animal. You wake up in the morning and all the papers write about how you are the reason for a team's failurs. They write titles like "Steph-infection". They do it for 3-4 months on end. Then whe you get fed up and don't give the right answer to the guy who called you a "steph-infection" guess where that goes. Right in the paper.

Again, get over it. Marbs aint a leader. He is not a cure for our problems. He is not a franchise player. He is never going to say the right thing. He slumps forward when he is in a good mood, so his body language becomes a horror show when he is upset. All this is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU. But he is not the reason for our record

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-28-2005 1:51 PM]
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12/28/2005  1:37 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

think about it.

I'm going to tell you right now. A week from now I will subtly start a thread about somehting I heard or saw Marbury do. I guarantee you a week after that it will be considered fact on this site.

I don't know about that, but this business about Marbs eating with his elbows on the table... That's UNACCEPTABLE!

yeah tell me about it, he should just eat with his hands like I do.
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12/28/2005  1:38 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm going to tell you right now. A week from now I will subtly start a thread about somehting I heard or saw Marbury do. I guarantee you a week after that it will be considered fact on this site.

Yes, and that's relevant because all those on the myriad of Knicks boards and the paid professional commentators and analysts who are in agreement on Steph all get their info here.

DJ, stop it or you'll get Steph traded unfairly.

It's not about just here. that's the point. It's everywhere!!!!!!!!!!! This is the prevaling thought, Marbs is the reason for our problems. Not that hard to understand

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12/28/2005  1:40 PM
One last note about objectivity:

If Marbs pouts and underperforms because a city boos him and asks for him to be traded and blames him for all our ills than we call him a wuss that can't play in NY and needs to be traded. Or he needs to man up and play ball............Which I totally agree with by the way so don't get it twisted

Yet it's perfectly okay for Jamal and Eddie and Q and Jerome and the rest to underperform because Marbs has a towel on his head, because that is something that a man should not have to play through. A man can only take so much and a towel is debilitating.

Judge all the players by the same criteria. That's all I'm saying.


[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-28-2005 1:41 PM]

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12/28/2005  1:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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Well how about this for a theory.

The Knicks could have more victories but because of LB's lack of a SL, crazy rotation, Craws inconsistancy, Currys injuries, and q's ineptitude, we haven't. Steph has been by far the best and most consistant player on the team. He is frustrated, because he could do more things to help us win, but because of LB's insistance on coaching to his liking as opposed to his personnel he cannot. As a result his infamous body language has appeared to be more pronounced, but hasn't actually worsened, it is just visible more often because we are losing more often. If it indeed has worsened it is in response to our losing and the frustration that comes with that. Not to mention the fact the he is blamed for everything bad that happpens to the knicks whether it is his fault or not.

problem is, every team steph ever played for catered to him and for the most part, has not resulted in any type of success. and in the one situation where it did (phx), the coach and the other 2 good players wanted him gone.

in this situation, lb's way has been proven to work so he's installing his system. i ask this, why was it so hard for steph ("the toughest 10 assists in my life") that he pleaded to be moved to sg? i mean, steph IS the best pg, got frustrated quickly, then asked to be moved to sg. and this AFTER he said on SAS that he can score 30 any night but doesn't want to b/c he wants to be pg.

your take, "b/c he feels like he could help the team with his scoring." my take, "coach, i can't play my game. i want to be iverson so i can play my game the way i want to. i don't like playing pg in your system." which is more likely the case?

i never once blamed steph for ANY loss. i never once blamed steph for anything. i just don't want him around our young kids. i want to let those guys grow together and move on. i want the philosphy of this organization to change.

SU, the newspapers were written for guys like you. Both LB and Steph had gone on record saying that Steph made that request weeks before it was reported in the papers and that it was no big deal. They plaster it on the back page and it becomes a big deal to you. You have responded to each article about the 'drama' between them even before the season started and have concocted one wild theory after another all of them with the same plot: Steph gets traded, Jamal starts at the point. I think the writers are mainly clueless, and you are being sucked in by the hysteria that comes with being a knick fanatic.

You said you would rather us lose and Steph score less points. Thats what YOU said. You don't like him. You think Jamal is the man and see his occasional good play as a clear indication that he is something more than an inconsistant scorer and defensive liability. I think LB's offense is ill-suited, not only for Steph, but for this whole team except Eddy Curry. LB's rigid insistance on there only being one right way is a big part of the reason why this team looks how it does.

It is hard to take anything you say about Marbury seriously when you:
a) think Jamal is better pg than Steph.
b) you take any occasional good game from Jamal as a sign that he should be the starting PG.
c) you & others harp on the 6 or 7 times that the team has done better with Steph on the bench, which can only imply that you think the team is better without him.
d) you actually talk about Steph wearing a towel on his head while he's on the bench.
e) you still think Jamal's preseason PGing is an indication of something grand.
f) you fail to SEE anything that contradicts your pre-concieved notions about Steph and Jamal.
g) you said you would rather have loss the portland game with Steph taking less shots, than won it with Steph going 27 and 7.
h) You want him gone after every loss regardless of how good he plays or how bad others play, and are quiet as mouse when your boy Jamal scores 0 points.
i) You are quiet on Jamals allergic reaction to defense.

I mean, do you watch Jamal out there on defense? I honestly have not seen an imporvement defensively think he more than any other player, is the reason we are losing. He is inconsistant and if he brought it more nights he and Steph could beat teams. Because his defense is probably the worst on our entire team (or maybe ahead of Channing) he doesn't start and when he plays swingmen KILL us! I do not start a million threads bashing him and demanding him to be traded. He plays like he is scared to touch another player on either end of the court. But he seems like a really sweet guy so I guess its ok for him to suck 4 out of every 5 games.

I really can't take any of what you are saying very seriously.
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12/28/2005  1:48 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Again, get over it. Marbs aint a leader. He is not a cure for our problems. He is not a franchise player. He is never going to say the right thing. He slumps forward when he is in a good mood, so his body language becomes a horror show when he is upset. All this is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU. But he is not the reason for our record

i can only speak for myself but i have never said he is the reason for our record. defense (or lack thereof) is the reason for our record. but if he ain't a leader...ain't a franchise player...but getting paid like one, then i want him gone. again, b/c in my world, contracts matter. same reason we can diss jerome for being overpaid at $30 mil, i can be upset about steph making $75 mil.

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12/28/2005  2:02 PM
I would agree with you if his contract made a difference to our salary cap. As an objective fan who doesn't hate STeph I'd much rather be angry at Anfernee and Jerome and Q and Allan and Mo. These guys are stealing money from us. WE are over the cap and these guys are doing NOTHING FOR US!!!!!!!! Marbs at least plays everynight instead of sitting on the bench in a suit. These are the guys that should be boo'd for lack of production. Not the leading scorer and assist man.

This is the same logic behind booing Allan Houston. It only makes sense if his contract was the one that put us over the cap. You don't have to like the player. You don't have to like the contract. You can hope he gets traded because you'd rather have a better player making that money is fine. But blaming him for our ills(not you, but it's the common theme you can't deny that) when there are very rich guys that have given us jack squat, to me is just not logical.

Right now my team of sales people is getting killed by our local rival. My top sales person is getting beat by their top sales guy. Instead of firing the nine guys that aren't performing I fire my top guy because he is being outperformed by a competitor who is making hte same amount of money. After a while I would go out of business.
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12/28/2005  2:09 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Again, get over it. Marbs aint a leader. He is not a cure for our problems. He is not a franchise player. He is never going to say the right thing. He slumps forward when he is in a good mood, so his body language becomes a horror show when he is upset. All this is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU. But he is not the reason for our record.

I gotta run, don't have time to do the topic justice. But this is a contradiction in terms. To think he's all that and that has no bearing on our record is naive, for lack of a better word (don't take it personally, I'm in a hurry), and to think all that does not impart itself on impressionable youth, or doesn't interfere with the coaching message, or, especially from the franchise guy, become a huge distraction to the team, is similarly naive, or whatever the right word is.

Now so long as Steph is our main guy here, we've got a rats arse of going places. If you can trade Steph to dump payroll to make a move for significant free agency or to get a nice player through the draft, or trade him for a guy with a better attitude who can contribute, i think you do it rather than trying to integrate this guy under the belief he's helping our cause.

I know the flaws of the rest of the roster and they get dealt with in other threads, but this is a Marbury thread, and this is where we look at his liabilities. Agreed, many changes need to be made to this team to be successful, but that does not preclude Marbury.

I'm not about our damn record, before the Curry trade I wanted us to bomb this year for a high pick. I'm looking at the future, and what we can do to ever surpass mediocrity. But we ain.t going nowhere with Steph acting like an anchor.

Catch yas later....



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12/28/2005  2:21 PM
But what you continue to miss over and over again is that noone on this team is a leader. Noone on this team is a franchise player, noone will say the right thing under the scrutiny that Marbs gets. The entire roster is flawed. I blame all the players, coach's and management for the losses. But that doesn't mean that I somehow have to believe that we can't win with one of them.

Again this is the same thing that was said about Ewing and Houston. It's very easy to forget.
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12/28/2005  2:25 PM
See but Ewing was a leader on the basketball court. He wasn't a vocal leader but his game spoke volumes. Marbury doesn't do that. Not only is he not a vocal leader but he doesn't even make players around him better. That is why we expect so much from him and we boo him when he doesn't produce.
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12/28/2005  2:26 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

Again, get over it. Marbs aint a leader. He is not a cure for our problems. He is not a franchise player. He is never going to say the right thing. He slumps forward when he is in a good mood, so his body language becomes a horror show when he is upset. All this is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU. But he is not the reason for our record.


If you can trade Steph to dump payroll to make a move for significant free agency or to get a nice player through the draft, or trade him for a guy with a better attitude who can contribute, i think you do it





Most of you guys are so blinde by hate for Marbs that you don't even understand that almost everyone on this site agrees with this statement. Even your GM stated he agreed with that the day he said we were building around Frye, Curry and Brown.

All this being true, it still does not mean he is the reason for our losses. I still contend people think we can trade Marbs for Andre Miller or Brevin Knight or (insert name here) and we will magically become the Nets and Suns. These people are mistaken. We will improve more by having one simple thing happen. Curry/James/Richardson earn their money.
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12/28/2005  2:28 PM
Posted by ALLBaLL2006:

See but Ewing was a leader on the basketball court. He wasn't a vocal leader but his game spoke volumes.


And yet he was still boo'd. I'm not sure why this is hard to understand. the comparison isn't Marbury to Ewing as a player. The comparison is the similarity of the fans in both situations. WE always target our best player when we are losing. In New York WE LOVES US SOME ROLE PLAYERS.
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12/28/2005  2:40 PM
Bip. I admire your drive to kick some knowledge to these guys but they just can't see the light like us.

I just wish the Knicks would start winning so I could come to the forum and see some different topics rather then everything be about Marbury. I'm soooooo sick of talking about him, the payroll, and draft picks!

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-28-2005 2:40 PM]
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12/28/2005  2:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Bip. I admire your drive to kick some knowledge to these guys but they just can't see the light like us.

I just wish the Knicks would start winning so I could come to the forum and see some different topics rather then everything be about Marbury. I'm soooooo sick of talking about him, the payroll, and draft picks!

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-28-2005 2:40 PM]


That's it you and me lets go start our own board. Who's coming with us?
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12/28/2005  2:51 PM
Haha Bip, easy there fella

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12/28/2005  2:58 PM
Okay fine, you don't want to come iwth me, I'll start my own board. Just me talking to myself aboout who is to blame.
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12/28/2005  3:07 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyballer:

his stats are nice but the guy has been putting up stats every year in the league and has never been a winner, and I never really understood until this year.

Can't we say the same about craw?


crawford is 25 and doesn't make $20mm a year

let the exaggerations begin

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12/28/2005  3:10 PM
enlighten us oh wise one.
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12/28/2005  3:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Judge all the players by the same criteria. That's all I'm saying.


if you do that, Marbs is the least of our concerns.
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