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gunsnewing
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11/21/2005  9:09 PM
Posted by Knight:

If Garnett guaranteed us a championship then it's a no brainer, but he doesn't.


how so? you don't think a team consisting of KG, Curry, Marbury, Wally and Crawford coached by Larry Brown is a legit contender and arguably a favorite with the exception of maybe San Antonio? If we have to trade Marbury we trade him but KG is exactly what Marbury needs.
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11/21/2005  9:11 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

in all honesty, any trade for KG to ny needs to get at least 1 other team involved.

it has to be a 3 or 4 team trade where picks go to minny via the other teams and not us.

and that 3rd or 4th team would get wally so we don't take that 2nd contract.
Why? If we're not trying to get under the cap, what harm exactly does Wally do? He's a solid player with a good attitude. He's obviously overpaid, but what harm does that do if we're not trying to get under the cap?



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 9:11 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:11 PM
Posted by Rich:

I would be strongly against it for the reasons I stated. Adding those players to this team would merely make it a playoff tease, not a bona fide championship contender.

I think a top tier true PG is a bigger need than KG. That player would take this team further in the playoffs,, and would accelerate the development of the young players.

How long do you want to wait though Rich? It'd been 32 years since the Knicks won a championship and they would finally be adding a player that rivals Patrick Ewing to this team. Ewing never had a Marbury and now KG would have Marbury with Larry Brown coaching. I think it makes the Knicks instant Title-Contenders.


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11/21/2005  9:12 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Knight:

If Garnett guaranteed us a championship then it's a no brainer, but he doesn't.


how so? you don't think a team consisting of KG, Curry, Marbury, Wally and Crawford coached by Larry Brown is a legit contender and arguably a favorite with the exception of maybe San Antonio? If we have to trade Marbury we trade him but KG is exactly what Marbury needs.

Nobody knows what Marbury needs, he brought back Olympic Bronze playing with All-Stars. Garnett doesn't talk to Marbury--they would have to mend their relationship and continue to work together. It's not exactly Shaq and Kobe here except the dislike of one another.


[Edited by - Knight on 11-21-2005 9:12 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:12 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

I want to be in position to win a championship every year over a ten year period. Frye can help do that, Garnett can't. In addition, I don't think adding KG to this team minus Frye yields a championship.

I respect that. We're going to have to Agree to disagree here.

Let me ask you this though. Say a deal goes down tomorrow that goes AD/Penny/Frye/Nate for KG and Wally. You would be against it? Believe me, I'd love to get this trade done without Frye, I'd include Curry over him any day of the year but if trading Frye means getting KG then I gotta do it.

I would be strongly against it for the reasons I stated. Adding those players to this team would merely make it a playoff tease, not a bona fide championship contender.

I think a top tier true PG is a bigger need than KG. That player would take this team further in the playoffs,, and would accelerate the development of the young players.


I see what you are saying. I'd be a little worried with Marbury running the point on a championship team but him and KG played great together. Larry Brown needs a KG type of veteran leader to lead this team

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11-21-2005 9:14 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:13 PM
Rich, would you have done the trade Miami did for Shaq? Are they gonna be title contenders for ten years (when Shaq's about 44)? Or would they have been better served over a ten year period by building around Dwyane Wade, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom? (I'm asking ten years because that's the time period you brought up--not the period I would would build for.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 9:14 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:15 PM
Shaq has championships. Miami kept their best young player. KG has no championships. We would lose our best young player.
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11/21/2005  9:18 PM
Posted by Knight:

Shaq has championships. Miami kept their best young player. KG has no championships. We would lose our best young player.


how the heck is KG suppose to win a championship playing with sam mitchell, terrell brandon who never played, and spree and cassell when they have to go up against the spurs and the lakers who have far superior teams? did KG ever have a center of the calibur of Curry playing next to him? just think about how dominant Curry will be playing off KG!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11-21-2005 9:19 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:19 PM
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If I'm going for a championship I take Cassell and Spree over Marbury and Q or Craw.
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11/21/2005  9:20 PM
Posted by Knight:

Shaq has championships. Miami kept their best young player. KG has no championships. We would lose our best young player.


Shaq didn't win his first championship until he was 30 and KG is only 29.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-21-2005 9:20 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:21 PM
Posted by Knight:

^
If I'm going for a championship I take Cassell and Spree over Marbury and Q or Craw.


cassell, spree, Saunders over Marbury, Curry, crawford, wally & Larry Brown wow!
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11/21/2005  9:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Knight:

^
If I'm going for a championship I take Cassell and Spree over Marbury and Q or Craw.


cassell, spree, Saunders over Marbury, Curry, crawford, wally & Larry Brown wow!

Wally was on both theoretical teams.
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11/21/2005  9:23 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Knight:

^
If I'm going for a championship I take Cassell and Spree over Marbury and Q or Craw.


cassell, spree, Saunders over Marbury, Curry, crawford, wally & Larry Brown wow!
Yeah, no way would I agree with that. I'd take Marbury, Curry, Wally, and Brown over any combo KG has ever had--by a landslide.

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11/21/2005  9:23 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

Shaq has championships. Miami kept their best young player. KG has no championships. We would lose our best young player.


Shaq didn't win his first championship until he was 30 and KG is only 29.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-21-2005 9:20 PM]


good point. not until they drafted Kobe. We don't have a kobe on this team but with a guy like KG you can piece a championship together very easily
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11/21/2005  9:24 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

Shaq has championships. Miami kept their best young player. KG has no championships. We would lose our best young player.


Shaq didn't win his first championship until he was 30 and KG is only 29.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-21-2005 9:20 PM]
I didn't realize that, but that's a great point. I bet Shaq didn't have more MVP tropiesh than Garnett by age 29 either. I haven't looked it up though.
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11/21/2005  9:25 PM
Anyone who thinks KG guarantees a title, didn't live through the Spencer Haywood, or Bob McAdoo acquisitions, that were made when we still had championship pieces in place.

Come to think of it, they didn't live through the Pat Ewing acquistion.

[Edited by - PhilinLA on 11-21-2005 9:27 PM]
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11/21/2005  9:28 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

Anyone who thinks KG guarantees a title, didn't live through the Spencer Haywood, or Bob McAdoo acquisitions, that were made when we still had championship pieces in place.


what went wrong?

I have to think that any team with a player of the calibur of KG with Larry Brown can contend every single year. So far I'm hating the way Larry is handling the rookies but with a guy like KG I'd have no worries
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11/21/2005  9:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

Shaq has championships. Miami kept their best young player. KG has no championships. We would lose our best young player.


Shaq didn't win his first championship until he was 30 and KG is only 29.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-21-2005 9:20 PM]
I didn't realize that, but that's a great point. I bet Shaq didn't have more MVP tropiesh than Garnett by age 29 either. I haven't looked it up though.


yeah but the difference is shaq had kobe as a sidekick. we don't but we have the pieces topped off by larry brown to be a legit contender every year
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11/21/2005  9:35 PM
Red Holzman was every bit as good as Larry Brown, and Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe were a little bit better than our current guard tandem. ONE PLAYER DOESN'T GUARANTEE A TITLE. If a player could, then KG would never be traded.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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11/21/2005  9:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I bet Shaq didn't have more MVP tropiesh than Garnett by age 29 either. I haven't looked it up though.

They both had the same amount - 1.


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