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djsunyc
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8/31/2005  6:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Isiah obviously doesnt care and thats just bad planning. No way around it.

If you felt like that, then maybe you should have said it to Isiah's face @ the Q&A. I would have loved to hear Isiah's concise response to an insane remark like that.
I did have my hand raised for the whole 2nd half, didnt you notice? Perhaps I should have rushed the podium?

Hardcore... do you think based on his moves Isiah has any regard for managing the cap situation in the next 3-4 years?


ladies please, this is getting testy. quick, bobs say something crazy so we can gang up on you.
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8/31/2005  7:25 PM
I do...look at the team

Staying pat, and using:
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

As a salary listing, by 07/08 (2 years from now)
our salary will be $48 million.

Say we give ariza the exception, he'll be making $6 million.

That's a $54 million payroll.

Is that under the cap?

orignally posted by Fishy:
Hardcore... do you think based on his moves Isiah has any regard for managing the cap situation in the next 3-4 years?

Cap looks managed, and hey, that's LESS THAN 3 to 4 years BEYOTCH!

what you got for me Fishy? BTW...where is Boobs?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-31-2005 7:28 PM]

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-31-2005 7:35 PM]
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8/31/2005  7:32 PM
We know trading penny and TT bring back salary City, so, maybe we don't trade them? maybe TT plays like TT and get's his 13/4 and comes off the cap? One thing for sure, we trade anybody, it's a stud or it's picks.

I like our team, I feel like we are rebuilding, sh!t.
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8/31/2005  7:50 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

We know trading penny and TT bring back salary City, so, maybe we don't trade them? maybe TT plays like TT and get's his 13/4 and comes off the cap? One thing for sure, we trade anybody, it's a stud or it's picks.

I like our team, I feel like we are rebuilding, sh!t.



what isiah does with tim and penny will tell us EXACTLY what his plans are.
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8/31/2005  8:10 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

As a salary listing, by 07/08 (2 years from now)
our salary will be $48 million.

Say we give ariza the exception, he'll be making $6 million.

That's a $54 million payroll.

Is that under the cap?

Cap looks managed, and hey, that's LESS THAN 3 to 4 years BEYOTCH!

what you got for me Fishy? BTW...where is Boobs?

rvhoss, spend the time to do the math and you will see that the $48M is for 5 players signed. HoopsHype does not count the option years. So...no Ariza, Sweetney, Frye, Nate, Lee.

Beyotch. :)

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8/31/2005  8:51 PM
damn damn damn damn.

Well, it still puts us in the $65 mill range, resigning trevor adds another $6 million, but the following year, JYD comes off and in the next year rose and another guy...

What Zeke does with TT and Penny will really tell us what he's doing...Fingers crossed.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-31-2005 8:56 PM]
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8/31/2005  9:40 PM
great job RV... so its in the $65mm range. Now subtract the $6mm for Jerome James and the $7mm for Malik Rose. Hey... now its in the $52mm range, just about $2-$3mm over the current cap. Now lets say Nate Robinson isnt good, he's a star. Come on... have a glass of koolaid with me. Lets say he's so good this year he's the #1 guy off the bench and puts up something like 14 points and 5 assists in 25 minutes while playing scrappy D. Take it a step further and he's the starting PG a year later (06-07 next year) which makes a permanant push of Marbury to SG. Now you still have Q, Craw, Ariza, etc.

Now say we do something very logical and trade Marbury and a couple 2nd round picks for Jalen Rose and Mo Peterson at the deadline.

At the end of the season we let them walk off into the sunset and we are now $18mm under the cap. Thats $18mm to throw at Carmelo Anthony (who said he wanted to be a Knick and play for Larry Brown), at Lebron, at Nene or whoever. Maybe we trade a couple draft picks and Sweetney for Elton Brand, because now we can take back that salary.

The point is simple. There are option, and GREAT options. The kind of option championship teams like the Spurs and Pistons have left themselves in recent years. The kind of options that yielded the Suns the league MVP and Q in one offseason.

Do you follow? Does this compute? Can you see why this might be a good thing?

Or would you rather revel in the possibilities that Malik Rose and Jerome James bring to the table... because its their $13mm combined that kills these options.
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8/31/2005  10:10 PM
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8/31/2005  10:18 PM
sleep tight fellas, another knick day in the tubes for me...I know some of you guys got a lotta mo' in ya.
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9/1/2005  7:29 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I got ya, I got ya.
see? I'm not dogging Jerome James because I hate Isiah or I have some agenda. I dont care about what Dolan does with his money either. My point is that it only takes one or two bad contracts on your roster to really hurt your options. I put that scenario out there because its legit IMO. We have two young guys in Nate and Craw that have bigtime potential at PG. Why not leave your options open?

The only thing that can save this is JJ doing things he's never done before in his career. Hopefully it happens.

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9/1/2005  7:38 AM
I see a ton of young parallel's to the detroit piston squad, hamilton/craw, wallace/JJ, wallace/frye, teyshawn/ariza and then there is billups/marbs and we have more potent post threats in sweets and MoT, and the hustle of Rose and the added bonus of Q.

If LB is the coach that everyone says he is, we are in for quite the ride...I expect that 16-13 team to be 16 - 13 all year (what does that come out to?)
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9/1/2005  8:44 AM
not to be a jerk but if you see a ton of parallels between Jerome James/Channing Frye and Rasheed and Ben Wallace your totally off your rocker. Might as well just say we lost out on the next Yao Ming when we cut Slavko Vranes.
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9/1/2005  11:12 AM
Posted by fishmike:

not to be a jerk but if you see a ton of parallels between Jerome James/Channing Frye and Rasheed and Ben Wallace your totally off your rocker. Might as well just say we lost out on the next Yao Ming when we cut Slavko Vranes.
The Ben/JJ comparison might be farfetched, but are you saying it's impossible to think that Frye can be close to the player Rasheed Wallace is? Rasheed might be an example of Frye's upside, but I don't think someone's off their rocker for mentioning those two.
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You bring it up but only in a hypothetical situation. What was the point of bringing up the Yankees? We're in a basketball forum, discussing basketball and you bring up the Yankees. Why? How is that relevant?
He was looking for an example of a team that spends huge amounts of money and succeeds. It's true (as I repeatedly acknowledged) that the Yankees don't have to operate within a cap. However, only a small minority of their players were obtained through free agency anyway (where the cap and max salary rules apply). Two (Sheffield and Matsui) of the nine every day players were acquired through FA and only one of the regular starters this season (Mussina) was acquired through FA (although it's hard to know who a regular starter is on the team). The huge majority of the players on the Yankees, like the Knicks, have either been drafted by the Yankees or acquired via trade in which NY took back far more salary than it gave up. The situations are obviously not identical because of the salary rules in baseball, but the strategies the Knicks are now using with Isiah and the Yankees have been using for many years to get the majority of their players have many similarities.


I'm still waiting for you to explain why it's relevant to bring up a team in one sport that doesn't have any restrictions on spending money for player payroll when we're talking about the NBA where there are strict salary cap restraints.

He was looking for an example of a team that spends huge amounts of money and succeeds.

Yeah, in the NBA. Why not just bring up Manchester United while you're at it. It's just as relevant.

It's true (as I repeatedly acknowledged) that the Yankees don't have to operate within a cap.

You should have left it at that while acknowledging that there is no relevance for bringing up the Yankees in this discussion.
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