Posted by nyk4ever:

Guns has had an infuation with every player on the draft board at one point haha. As the draft near neared he was clear in his wanting Bynum. For what reasons I dont know, but he did want Bynum, I think what he's trying to say was that he wanted Bynum but if the Knicks were not going to take him that he wanted the best player available which then would have been a Green, Granger, Graham.. trust me I was with him during the draft... I never knew a man could destroy so many things when the Knicks drafted Frye haha jk.

I think myself and Briggs are the ones that sold him on not taking Frye but that was BEFORE I knew that the Isiah was going run and gun, once the Q trade was finalized and we drafted Nate I knew the run and gun was in full effect and I was extremely pleased with Channing becuase that style suits him so well. But Guns was sold on Bynum, I think its still a Briggs brainwashing though

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 14:36:51]

Posted by technomaster:

I don't know about the #10 pick specifically... but here are a few All-Star centers in the past decade that were chosen after pick #10:

Magloire
Ilgauskas
Antonio Davis
Brad Miller
Ben Wallace
Jermaine O'Neal
Theo Ratliff
Dale Davis
Rik Smits
Vlade Divac

This might tell you that if you can average a double-double, you too could be an all-star center. (I thought Mohammed or KT would make the AS team this season)

Long gone is the golden age of centers: when Ewing/Robinson/Hakeem/Mourning/O'Neal/Mutombo dominated the NBA.

Posted by OldFan:

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Bynum went 10TH. Obviously there are doubts about him becoming a franchise center. And great bigs hardly ever get undervalued. Can you name a single 7 footer who was ever an allstar never mind a franchise player who got drafted 10th?


The jury is still out on Frye but the choice wasn't between Frye and a
"Franchise Center". The choice was between Frye and an unknown quantity that may turn out to be very good and may turn out to be nothing. Just because someone was over-hyped on this board doesn't make him a franchise anything.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:


thanks for clearing that up for me. I've been reading reports on how well he's doing and like I said his good shooting has been very consistent unlike a guy like Ariza for example.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Gerald Green try to get his shot off over Trevor. Please, man, we have enough 2s and 3s as it is. We already have a minutes crunch and your solution is to draft a HS SG with a pretty shot who doesn't know how to do anything else. Please.

The only possible argument that makes sense is to say the Knicks should have drafted Bynum. Bynum has basically done the same as Frye in the Summer League so far, he has a different set of problems - where Frye has had foul trouble, Bynum has had conditioning issues. Both guys have looked solid doing what they do when they haven't been dealing with their respective issues. Bynum would have been a good pick and I went back and forth between the two myself, but let's just root for Frye to maximize his potential and root for the team. That's sports, rooting for your guy. When you get too upset that the Knicks didn't draft the guy you "scouted", I mean that's ridiculous. there have been rumors of personality issues with Green, injury and weight issues with Bynum, so clearly these guys aren't "can't miss" prospects. They have red flags. So does Frye, but it was that kind of draft where EVERYONE had red flags, there were no can't miss superstars. You have to scout and go with your gut. And frankly, I trust Isiah's gut - he's drafted Ariza, Tmac, Camby, Damon, developed JOneal, Artest and Harrington - he knows young talent. Don't you think the man who drafted Tmac would have taken Gerald Green if he REALLY thought he'd be the next superstar? I do.

Look, Nate Robinson wasn't on my draft board, but when there when Ric Bucher came on and said Nate was going to the Knicks - I was ecstatic - it was a great pick, even if it wasn't the guy I had "scouted". Nate is the steal of the draft, Frye has shown just as much as Bynum and Diogu just had a 10 foul game - so let's have some patience.

What I would like to see is the team start Jackie Butler and Frye next to each other. I think that would make for a much tougher defensive team than Bruno and Frye. It would probably help to keep Frye out of foul trouble.

how about soar over people for dunks like he has also done so far in summerleague. That is the beauty of Gerald Green. No one on this team has that ability to become a superstar.

and there's a reason why I wouldn't stop talking about Bynum before the draft. maybe because I knew what I was talking about. Bynum has performed better than even i had expect as a 17yr so far

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/12/2005 11:03:21]

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't remember that. I remember you predicting Bogut until the ping pong day and then saying the team should have tanked, AFTER preaching a playoff run until mid to late March. Then when you got over that, you went through Splitter phases and all that, and hey maybe Bynum. The last thing I remember is you saynig BPA on draft day and Graham was Artest 2, Green was Tmac 2, Granger was Pippen 2 (granger is out with a knee injury and can't play SL BTW) and all the rest. You never said Bynum was Shaq 2, so I thought you didn't want him anymore. My bad.

The point is, I agree with Knicksfan - whoever you wanted to draft, give this guy a chance. There's no reason in the world to hate on Nate or DLee at this point, nor Frye. He's had better games than Bynum - who just put up a measley two rebounds in 29 minutes against Dallas. The point is, you haven't seen ANY of these guys play yet, except maybe the two Knicks summer league games. you admitted you don't watch these guys play college ball and a lot of us do and we like Frye and are willing to give him time. Go back and look at the last TWO summer leagues - Bosh played like CRAP. It's not a structured game, there's no spacing and it's built for guards to dominate.

Franky, your constant berating of Frye from the two SL games MSG has televised and a few box scores are getting old. Especially when you've had a history of changing your tune and you'll probably be his biggest fan after his first 20 and 10 game. So why not just show a little patience?