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HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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7/7/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by simrud:


There you go again, actin like you have an exclusive right know what it feels like to be opressed. Your people have been inslaved for hunderds of years? Well guess what my people have been prosecuted and murdered by mobs for THOUSANDS of years. And we started out as slaves adn were enslaved for much longer as well. But we arose wrom it, and so did blacks.

Yes there is rampant racism, and yes the difference in average income and drastic, but is gettin better, and at is possible to make better. Times change. Whether its a good thing or not, today America is the best thing mankind has got to show for itself.

Winston Churchill once said "democracy is a terrible thing, but we have not invented anything better yet", same goes for this country.

Firstly, there is no need to even lower myself to debate this issue. You are talking about a RELIGION. I am talking about a RACE.
The smart ones know this difference. Don't think you're talking to someone who would let you get away with that "Jews have been more persecuted than Blacks" Crap. That gets checked RIGHT AWAY over here, son. Check the history books (like I have already done), and when you notice some things like the FACT that the Jewish or Hebrew (originally pronounced Haribu- from when they originated in AFRICA) weren't europeans. Thery were Africans. In addition, no one group of people on the face of this goddamned planet have went thru more than Africans and those who descended from them.

LOL it took alot of arrogant-azz nerve to come at me with that madness. Here's another tidbit to run to the library with, sonny boy:

The Jewish Holocaust claimed 10 million lives.
The African Holocaust claimed 100 million lives.

Get your facts straight, because coming sideways at someone who is a student of history won't be a debate, just an embarrassing educational session.

Peace.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 07/07/2005 18:01:13]
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7/7/2005  6:03 PM
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7/7/2005  8:18 PM
Yeah bro, teach me something about my own race, cause just btw, aside from very few conversions being Jewish is a race, because you inherit it from the mother.

As for your Haribu crap, I don't know where you have come up with this halfarsed theory of yours. In case you missed it, Africa starts in Egypt, Palestine/Israel is not in Africa. Neither is Mesopatamia.

And I don't know where you are even coming from with your 100 mil African Holocoust. Do pepole in Africa dye due terrible conditions? Yes. What does it have to do with discussion?

So don't come at me with your ignorance and an incredible self pity complex. I don't know how you are a student of history if you havent mentioned staright historical fact yet. Just blowin steam and throwing the race card around.
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7/7/2005  8:40 PM
Posted by simrud:

Yeah bro, teach me something about my own race, cause just btw, aside from very few conversions being Jewish is a race, because you inherit it from the mother.

As for your Haribu crap, I don't know where you have come up with this halfarsed theory of yours. In case you missed it, Africa starts in Egypt, Palestine/Israel is not in Africa. Neither is Mesopatamia.

And I don't know where you are even coming from with your 100 mil African Holocoust. Do pepole in Africa dye due terrible conditions? Yes. What does it have to do with discussion?

So don't come at me with your ignorance and an incredible self pity complex. I don't know how you are a student of history if you havent mentioned staright historical fact yet. Just blowin steam and throwing the race card around.

Over 100 million Africans were slayed during slavery times.
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7/7/2005  8:47 PM
Posted by simrud:

Yeah bro, teach me something about my own race, cause just btw, aside from very few conversions being Jewish is a race, because you inherit it from the mother.

Show some documented evidence of this. 'Nuff said.

As for your Haribu crap, I don't know where you have come up with this halfarsed theory of yours. In case you missed it, Africa starts in Egypt, Palestine/Israel is not in Africa. Neither is Mesopatamia.

There were civilizations in Africa long before Mesopotamia, sir. Look it up. BTW I don't need thories, I can just tell you to look it up and refute it and the debate is over. Look up the Haribu and the origins of your religion, then get back to me.

And I don't know where you are even coming from with your 100 mil African Holocoust.

Then ask somebody, or go look it up. For the sake of clarification, I was referring to the comparison of the Jewish Holocast and the African Maafa (Holocaust).

Do pepole in Africa dye due terrible conditions? Yes. What does it have to do with discussion?
See above.

So don't come at me with your ignorance and an incredible self pity complex.
Say that in the mirror ten times and see if you look any smarter.

I don't know how you are a student of history if you havent mentioned staright historical fact yet.
Just blowin steam and throwing the race card around.
Your inflammatory yet juvenille comments only continue to prove my point. Once again, feel free to prove me wrong. This is the Internet, son. Links are the way to go. I posted enough keywords for you to cut & paste them into Google or wherever and look it up for yourself.

Or you can continue to show off your limited cognitive ability and call me names.

The choice is yours.

Peace.


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 07/07/2005 20:47:53]
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7/7/2005  8:47 PM
And you are gonna tell 100 mil did not get killed over thousands of years?

Whatever guys, this is a pointless discussion, I'll just leave at the fact that no race holds a monopoly on feelin owed something.

Human suffering is not a measurable thing.
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7/7/2005  8:49 PM
Posted by simrud:

Yeah bro, teach me something about my own race, cause just btw, aside from very few conversions being Jewish is a race, because you inherit it from the mother.

As for your Haribu crap, I don't know where you have come up with this halfarsed theory of yours. In case you missed it, Africa starts in Egypt, Palestine/Israel is not in Africa. Neither is Mesopatamia.

And I don't know where you are even coming from with your 100 mil African Holocoust. Do pepole in Africa dye due terrible conditions? Yes. What does it have to do with discussion?

So don't come at me with your ignorance and an incredible self pity complex. I don't know how you are a student of history if you havent mentioned staright historical fact yet. Just blowin steam and throwing the race card around.

Many middle eastern scholars and some historians over the past few thousands of years considered the middle east part of Africa. There reasoning being that there is no continent called the middle east. They consider it northeastern Africa.
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7/7/2005  8:51 PM
Posted by simrud:

And you are gonna tell 100 mil did not get killed over thousands of years?

And Africans were around long before there even was a Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Knock yourself out comparing those numbers, fella.

Whatever guys, this is a pointless discussion, I'll just leave at the fact that no race holds a monopoly on feelin owed something.

No one this way ever said it.

Human suffering is not a measurable thing.
But some has suffered more than others, history tells it all.

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7/7/2005  8:52 PM
Whatever man you are full of it. History has been my hobby forever, and what you are sayin might be some sholars's theory, but it is sure not the generally accepted mainstream part of the science.

And the first civilatoin (as in oldest) was in Shumer, in Mesopatamia, the rest is all unporven conjencture.

The next oldest one was in Africa, in Egypt. That is prolly where you are gettin your misguided ideas from. So far I have been the only sustaining anything close to sholarly discussion, and you just spew insults right and left.
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7/7/2005  8:53 PM
From your atitude it is clear to me that you feel that you can tell anybody that they don't know nothing about prosecution, just cause you are black. I don't think thats right. If you don't feel that, way then we desagree, and no amount of argument will resolve the differene.
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7/7/2005  8:54 PM
Posted by simrud:

Yeah bro, teach me something about my own race, cause just btw, aside from very few conversions being Jewish is a race, because you inherit it from the mother.

As for your Haribu crap, I don't know where you have come up with this halfarsed theory of yours. In case you missed it, Africa starts in Egypt, Palestine/Israel is not in Africa. Neither is Mesopatamia.

And I don't know where you are even coming from with your 100 mil African Holocoust. Do pepole in Africa dye due terrible conditions? Yes. What does it have to do with discussion?

So don't come at me with your ignorance and an incredible self pity complex. I don't know how you are a student of history if you havent mentioned staright historical fact yet. Just blowin steam and throwing the race card around.
I think that is the biggest misconception. How can be Jewish be a race. It is a religion. I know of people who get offended if someone refers to them as being Jewish since they no longer have the same beliefs. That's like saying a person baptize as a Catholic will always be a Catholic.
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7/7/2005  8:55 PM
I think I know better of my own race dude.
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7/7/2005  8:55 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by simrud:

Yeah bro, teach me something about my own race, cause just btw, aside from very few conversions being Jewish is a race, because you inherit it from the mother.

As for your Haribu crap, I don't know where you have come up with this halfarsed theory of yours. In case you missed it, Africa starts in Egypt, Palestine/Israel is not in Africa. Neither is Mesopatamia.

And I don't know where you are even coming from with your 100 mil African Holocoust. Do pepole in Africa dye due terrible conditions? Yes. What does it have to do with discussion?

So don't come at me with your ignorance and an incredible self pity complex. I don't know how you are a student of history if you havent mentioned staright historical fact yet. Just blowin steam and throwing the race card around.
I think that is the biggest misconception. How can be Jewish be a race. It is a religion. I know of people who get offended if someone refers to them as being Jewish since they no longer have the same beliefs. That's like saying a person baptize as a Catholic will always be a Catholic.

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7/7/2005  9:06 PM
Posted by simrud:

I think I know better of my own race dude.
Dude, it is not a race. It is more of a group of people who follow a creed. Race is defined by biological reasoning.
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7/7/2005  9:07 PM
Simrud, you do not consider yourself a caucasian male?
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7/7/2005  9:23 PM
Posted by simrud:

Whatever man you are full of it. History has been my hobby forever, and what you are sayin might be some sholars's theory, but it is sure not the generally accepted mainstream part of the science.
So the "generally accepted mainstream part of the science" is what you blindly accept without research or question? LOL You just showed that you're the one who's full of it ('it' being BS, crap, feelings versus facts, etc.).

And the first civilatoin (as in oldest) was in Shumer, in Mesopatamia, the rest is all unporven conjencture.
Predynastic Kemet was around since circa 10,000 BC. They migrated downriver (of both the blue and white Nile) from the south after the waters that used to cover that area receded (that area these people came from which is most of Sudan and Ethiopia was known as Kush; the capital city having been much older than Kemet itself).


The next oldest one was in Africa, in Egypt. That is prolly where you are gettin your misguided ideas from.
LOL see above. My facts are checkable. The "unporven conjencture" (spelling yours) is the "generally accepted mainstream part of the science" that you swallow hook, line & sinker is the real "misguided idea".

So far I have been the only sustaining anything close to sholarly discussion, and you just spew insults right and left.
Scroll back and re-read the whole damn thread. That cowboy talk earlier in this thread is far from anything remotely scholarly, sir.


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 07/07/2005 21:42:02]
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7/7/2005  9:24 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by simrud:

I think I know better of my own race dude.
Dude, it is not a race. It is more of a group of people who follow a creed. Race is defined by biological reasoning.

The most hilarious part of it is that the obvious had to be stated.
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7/7/2005  9:49 PM
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Hmmm... sorry Briggs but you might have noticed that there where elections in Iran only 2 weeks ago!!! And those were the third since the death of the Ayatola. Besides please dont start talking about how those elections were manipulated or ill start ranting about the bush election and that stupid electoral system of the states!!!
Besides the US has quiet good relations with saudi arabia, and other non-democratic states in the ME so THIS has nothing to do with your resentment against IRAN and the iranian people! it is just simply that you are pissed of seeing the television pics of people burning your flag!!! Thats all!!!! You are a victim of the filtered information you are fed as much as those people!!!
Think about it!!!!!!!!!

These people hate the USA because we happen to be aligned and an aly with the only democracy in the ME--Israel. The US[who wasnt even around] OR even modern Israel cannot be condemnd for actions centuries ago. the world evolves and so should the people of this world. Sorry, but these countries like Iran do nothing to quell radical ideology. In fact they seem to rally around it. Why do you see pictures on TV where thousands of Iranians relish in burning of the American flag?




UMM, did you happen to notice that the new *President* of Iran was spotted out by the 1979 hostages in Iran as one of the kidnappers?

Their democracy is bogus, it's a sham, a front for radical ideology. Do you think that leaders in Israel and the USA will ever allow Iran to become a nuclear state? You think they will allow religious extremists to have the power to launch a nuclear attack? WTF do you think PRES BUSH refers to them as an axis of evil--why--because it's very true.

North Korea==an injured wolf with no food, they are by far the most dangerous nation to the US, but there is a path to diplomacy through their famine--they need us, but we need to do more to get by this threat. I dont believe NK instictively dislikes the US, more so they see us as their meal ticket and will use their military threat to get a compromise. But as long as there can be a compromise, then there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Iran==true hatred for Israel and the US and would throw each and every one of us in the gas chamber if given a chance. There is a lot of this sentiment in the ME, but Iran is the true epicenter of hatred. Israel will NEVER EVER let Iran come close to nuclear capabilities, including the possibility of using pre-emptive nuclear strike themselves. They will do it, pound for pound the Israelean military is the toughest and best in the world and would NEVER come close to suffering like they did 65 years ago. BANK IT.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

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Posted by dodger78:



Hmmm... sorry Briggs but you might have noticed that there where elections in Iran only 2 weeks ago!!! And those were the third since the death of the Ayatola. Besides please dont start talking about how those elections were manipulated or ill start ranting about the bush election and that stupid electoral system of the states!!!
Besides the US has quiet good relations with saudi arabia, and other non-democratic states in the ME so THIS has nothing to do with your resentment against IRAN and the iranian people! it is just simply that you are pissed of seeing the television pics of people burning your flag!!! Thats all!!!! You are a victim of the filtered information you are fed as much as those people!!!
Think about it!!!!!!!!!

These people hate the USA because we happen to be aligned and an aly with the only democracy in the ME--Israel. The US[who wasnt even around] OR even modern Israel cannot be condemnd for actions centuries ago. the world evolves and so should the people of this world. Sorry, but these countries like Iran do nothing to quell radical ideology. In fact they seem to rally around it. Why do you see pictures on TV where thousands of Iranians relish in burning of the American flag?




UMM, did you happen to notice that the new *President* of Iran was spotted out by the 1979 hostages in Iran as one of the kidnappers?

Their democracy is bogus, it's a sham, a front for radical ideology. Do you think that leaders in Israel and the USA will ever allow Iran to become a nuclear state? You think they will allow religious extremists to have the power to launch a nuclear attack? WTF do you think PRES BUSH refers to them as an axis of evil--why--because it's very true.

North Korea==an injured wolf with no food, they are by far the most dangerous nation to the US, but there is a path to diplomacy through their famine--they need us, but we need to do more to get by this threat. I dont believe NK instictively dislikes the US, more so they see us as their meal ticket and will use their military threat to get a compromise. But as long as there can be a compromise, then there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Iran==true hatred for Israel and the US and would throw each and every one of us in the gas chamber if given a chance. There is a lot of this sentiment in the ME, but Iran is the true epicenter of hatred. Israel will NEVER EVER let Iran come close to nuclear capabilities, including the possibility of using pre-emptive nuclear strike themselves. They will do it, pound for pound the Israelean military is the toughest and best in the world and would NEVER come close to suffering like they did 65 years ago. BANK IT.

Wow Briggs. That sounds like cowboy talk to me. All this military talk and talk of killing. So who keeping score on the Israel dead bodies as opposed to the Iranian dead bodies? And then after the total comes to fruition, who wins? The person who killed the most from the other side? This is a very interesting solution to violence.

WE'RE COMING TO KILL YOU SO THAT THERE WILL BE NO VIOLENCE IN THE WORLD.

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