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fishmike
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7/7/2005  8:54 AM
4 offensive boards for Lee.... wait till you see this guy's motor and hops.
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7/7/2005  8:55 AM
The hell with you simrud..I don't read your junks either...


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Posted by simrud:

First of, for Dido: you have yet to post a post that made sense and was not absolutley idiotic. I have long ago concluded that you are out of your mind, and generally ignore you, but now you are becoming mean spirited, too. Just stuff it you nut lol.

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7/7/2005  9:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why do some people think all our eggs are in the Channing Frye basket and if he doesn't play great the franchise is destroyed? He's important, but he's one of 8 talented, promising young players on the roster.

i think it's valid to focus on him.

#8 pick's performanace is crucial for us. It should set the tone for how well we really are rebuilding and where we're headed.

He's a center. That's a focal ponit for a team. Especially a center chosen in the lottery. ANd even more so for a franchise that thrived with Ewing and has reeled without him.

There's reasonable controversy about his selection considering we left Green, Bynum, Granger et al. on the table.

Personally i'm LOVIN' this - a young buck in the middle for us to get worked up over and demand high returns from.

Not even to mention Nate the Great, General Lee, Q, Reezy, Sweet-'n-Low who I think is gonna come into camp lookin good enough to go back up on Bonn's wallpaper.
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7/7/2005  9:12 AM
Posted by Mac:

That has to be last summer's Ariza.



http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/gallery
Look's like Frye got doubled all nite. That's a great sign if he demands a constant double team. I am not worry about his rebounding, I am more concern that he be able to pass out of the double team.
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7/7/2005  9:17 AM
He did ahve two assts if I'm not mistaken, which is good for a center.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/7/2005  9:37 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Mac:

That has to be last summer's Ariza.



http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/gallery
Look's like Frye got doubled all nite. That's a great sign if he demands a constant double team. I am not worry about his rebounding, I am more concern that he be able to pass out of the double team.

That guy Ha is a monster, huge. Guys like Diogu, Bogut faced the double and triple team every night. When you are looking at film on a player, you have to take this into consideration. There are a lot of great athletes ay ARZ so its hard to double team and Channing wasnt exactly a guy that forced one because he was on the perimeter a lot.
He is used to space and being the big boy on the block. It mustve been shocking to have to look a half a foot up at Ha who probably engulfed him. Like I said, IF Channing concentrates on rebounds, he will be fine. Dont worry about offense, that will be there. Play good defense and go get me 10+ rebounds in the SL and dont worry about offensive stats.
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7/7/2005  9:42 AM
call me a homer but I like to look at the positives.

first thing is that nate is as advertised and at his height had no problems getting his shot off, he pushed the ball hard and scored 20

Lee on one play I saw got a pass from ariza and went up for a strong two hand dunk, without hesitation, when was the last time a knicks forward was able to do that?

Frye: I saw him post up, go left and shoot a left handed jump hook, a left handed jump hook fellas, I mean aside from ewing and LJ at times, when was the last time we had a post player that could score with either hand, confidently.

I like what little I saw from this team...
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7/7/2005  9:42 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:


That guy Ha is a monster, huge. Guys like Diogu, Bogut faced the double and triple team every night. When you are looking at film on a player, you have to take this into consideration. There are a lot of great athletes ay ARZ so its hard to double team and Channing wasnt exactly a guy that forced one because he was on the perimeter a lot.
He is used to space and being the big boy on the block. It mustve been shocking to have to look a half a foot up at Ha who probably engulfed him. Like I said, IF Channing concentrates on rebounds, he will be fine. Dont worry about offense, that will be there. Play good defense and go get me 10+ rebounds in the SL and dont worry about offensive stats.

I have a little different opinion. i'd like to see him establish his ability to score in the post. imagine him being a guy that marbs can dump into instead of having to waste all the time with Craw and Marbs putting on dribbling exhibitions way out in 3-point land. SOmeone posted yesterday about Marbs initially going into nazr until he got too frustrated with Nazr wasting the opportunities. i'd love to see Frye establish himself as a primary offensive force in the post.
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7/7/2005  9:51 AM
Of course you need to look at the positives, but summer league is a joke and a lot of players dominate that never crack the rotation....

Lee and Robinson are going to be fine, they have energy heart and are what we need, Ariza is going to show some signs. (Does his body look the same or did he add any muscle, did anyone watch?)

Frye 1 rebound every ten minutes, I hope he steps it up I always thought he was a *****, but the one thing that should never be in doubt is your ability to rebound the ball
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7/7/2005  10:07 AM
Rebounding is the easiest thing to do in the game of basketball. Just concentrate the first half of the game on rebounding and concentrate on scoring the second half. That is what most rebounders do, TT and Ben are notorious at doing that. they quietly fill up the stats sheet...
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7/7/2005  10:46 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Mac:

That has to be last summer's Ariza.



http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/gallery
Look's like Frye got doubled all nite. That's a great sign if he demands a constant double team. I am not worry about his rebounding, I am more concern that he be able to pass out of the double team.

Is that a finger on Frye's nose?

[Edited by - KnicksFan on 07/07/2005 10:47:27]
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7/7/2005  11:12 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why do some people think all our eggs are in the Channing Frye basket and if he doesn't play great the franchise is destroyed? He's important, but he's one of 8 talented, promising young players on the roster.

i think it's valid to focus on him.

#8 pick's performanace is crucial for us. It should set the tone for how well we really are rebuilding and where we're headed.

He's a center. That's a focal ponit for a team. Especially a center chosen in the lottery. ANd even more so for a franchise that thrived with Ewing and has reeled without him.

There's reasonable controversy about his selection considering we left Green, Bynum, Granger et al. on the table.

Personally i'm LOVIN' this - a young buck in the middle for us to get worked up over and demand high returns from.

Not even to mention Nate the Great, General Lee, Q, Reezy, Sweet-'n-Low who I think is gonna come into camp lookin good enough to go back up on Bonn's wallpaper.
The point is that Frye could turn out to be just a solid sixth man or average starter like most mid to late lottery picks and the team could still be headed in a wonderful direction with all the other good young players out there.
We got our swing man on draft night in Q and we still have Ariza. We didn't need a third one.
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7/7/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Rebounding is the easiest thing to do in the game of basketball. Just concentrate the first half of the game on rebounding and concentrate on scoring the second half. That is what most rebounders do, TT and Ben are notorious at doing that. they quietly fill up the stats sheet...

when you rebound, offense comes much easier. you find yourself with point blank opportunities, the ability to start a break, to give your opponent only 1 shot at the basket etc.. a great deal of good comes from rebounding and thats why I think they should take some emphasis off any post game, spot up etc.. and say Channing dont worry about the offense, we need you to concnetrate on rebounding the ball and playing good D, the opportunities on offense will come easier.
thats the HABIT the Knicks have to focus on with frye right away, an emphasis on rebounding and how important it is for a 6-11 player. this is a time when you need a parcells type, do you think parcells cares if its a rookies first day in mini camp and he screws up? OF COURSE in fact, he would get a profane outburst. Calhoun does it with EVERY player from day 1. You rebound and defend or you dont play.

Now I expect him to be much more competitive today in the rebounding dept, thats all I ask.
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7/7/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Calhoun does it with EVERY player from day 1. You rebound and defend or you dont play.

THen how did Charlie V get any court time?
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7/7/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The point is that Frye could turn out to be just a solid sixth man or average starter like most mid to late lottery picks and the team could still be headed in a wonderful direction with all the other good young players out there.
We got our swing man on draft night in Q and we still have Ariza. We didn't need a third one.

I'm looking for more than that from FRye and i think we're entitled to. I was supportive of him as our first pick because I think he'll be a lot more than an average starter or solid 6th man - i think our franchise will NOT still be headed in a wonderful direction if that's all he is.
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7/7/2005  12:00 PM
I agree holeheartedly with everything that you have said. It is sad to see, but the kids are no longer learning the fundamentals of the game. They are much more worried about scoring than anything else. The good thing about Frye is that he was welly coached throughout his young career, so Agwire will get him to do right tonight...
and say Channing dont worry about the offense, we need you to concnetrate on rebounding the ball and playing good D, the opportunities on offense will come easier.
thats the HABIT the Knicks have to focus on with frye right away, an emphasis on rebounding and how important it is for a 6-11 player. this is a time when you need a parcells type, do you think parcells cares if its a rookies first day in mini camp and he screws up? OF COURSE in fact, he would get a profane outburst. Calhoun does it with EVERY player from day 1. You rebound and defend or you dont play.

Now I expect him to be much more competitive today in the rebounding dept, thats all I ask.
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7/7/2005  12:39 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/325902p-278527c.html

Frye was upset about his rebounding totals and even joked that he couldn't understand why the Blazers would double-team him at this point in his career.

"Physically, I'll be all right," Frye said. "My anticipation and quickness of the game is something I need to improve on. I felt I was a step slow on the boards today."


[Edited by - KnicksFan on 07/07/2005 12:40:34]
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7/7/2005  2:06 PM
the thing about Frye is that his head is in the right place. he's not going to get embarassed about not rebounding, he's going to admit he needs to work on it. I expect him to grab more boards through the rest of the summer league.

I think it's a great sign that he was getting double teamed and was still getting in close to the basket. Let's not forget that this is the SUMMER LEAGUE squad and we have very little outside shooting for Frye to pass out to. That all changes when he gets to New York and he has Q, Craw, Marbs and even (ick) Tim Thomas - all of whom can score at will from the perimeter. Heck, even Sweetney's pressence will help Frye.

Though, he could be in for a tough night against Dwight Howard today. But my gut feeling is most of the league will be in for a tough night against Howard all year - that kid is a beast.
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7/7/2005  2:14 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

the thing about Frye is that his head is in the right place. he's not going to get embarassed about not rebounding, he's going to admit he needs to work on it. I expect him to grab more boards through the rest of the summer league.

I think it's a great sign that he was getting double teamed and was still getting in close to the basket. Let's not forget that this is the SUMMER LEAGUE squad and we have very little outside shooting for Frye to pass out to. That all changes when he gets to New York and he has Q, Craw, Marbs and even (ick) Tim Thomas - all of whom can score at will from the perimeter. Heck, even Sweetney's pressence will help Frye.

Though, he could be in for a tough night against Dwight Howard today. But my gut feeling is most of the league will be in for a tough night against Howard all year - that kid is a beast.
Is Dwight Howard really playing in the summer league? I thought he would consider himself "above" this.
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7/7/2005  5:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by crzymdups:

the thing about Frye is that his head is in the right place. he's not going to get embarassed about not rebounding, he's going to admit he needs to work on it. I expect him to grab more boards through the rest of the summer league.

I think it's a great sign that he was getting double teamed and was still getting in close to the basket. Let's not forget that this is the SUMMER LEAGUE squad and we have very little outside shooting for Frye to pass out to. That all changes when he gets to New York and he has Q, Craw, Marbs and even (ick) Tim Thomas - all of whom can score at will from the perimeter. Heck, even Sweetney's pressence will help Frye.

Though, he could be in for a tough night against Dwight Howard today. But my gut feeling is most of the league will be in for a tough night against Howard all year - that kid is a beast.
Is Dwight Howard really playing in the summer league? I thought he would consider himself "above" this.
I think it has to do with what the team and coaching staff thinks. Also he knows he's young and fresh out of high school. Its a great sign he is playing (a great sign for them anyway).
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