CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:All in all I don't think Paul deserves to be ahead of Melo.
As good as he's been, Melo for me is a clear #3, Durant and James are rightly 1 and 2 at the moment, but the only other player who can break that is Melo.
Kobe could if the Lakers had a better record, and I don't have anything against Paul, I'd love him on the team, but to me Melo > Paul easily.

I think it's Bryant get's ranked so high although his team doesn't have a winning record, meanwhile not acknowledging players on teams with winning records who have surpassed expectation.

Yes Kobe is having a career year but so what, that's why he was lower on my list.

So what gives with Kobe? When I see him ranked high it totally blows up what the supposed criteria should/would be. Can't have it both ways folks although we always try to on this forum.

I don't watch the lakers much but I watched the game last night because I didn't have to stream it and I wanted to see the clips. A couple of bad signs despite Nash being back. Pau is taking long jump shots still. Kobe is shooting way too much. I thought Howard and Jordan hill both looked good.

Kobe's chucking is near 2006-2007 disgusting levels of chuck. That season he chucked 27FGA/gm. This year he's chucking 22fga but he has more scoring help around him, defensively they may be worse. Last year he shot 23fga/gm. It's obvious what's on Kobe's mind and he clearly wants to finish as The All-Time NBA scorer. He takes the highest degree of difficulty shots, but he's so talented he can make a good portion of them. He's basically Favreing his career out. The sad thing about it...Lebron and Durant will catch him barring no major injuries.

You can't be on a 15-17 team with that kind of talent around you and crack Top 5 MVP. And he's probably higher on others list who will actually cast votes, which speaks volumes about how much of a joke the award is. It may be slightly worse than making the All-Star as a leading vote getter. The award doesn't have a respectable standard for selection.

You take LeBron off the Heat they'll still have the likes of Wade and Bosh leading the way with a sharp shooting in Ray Allen.

You take Durant off OKC they'll still have Westbrook leading the way along with Serge Ibaka.

You take CP3 off the Clippers, they'll still have a star in Griffin leading the way.

Long story short, Melo is an MVP. More important to the Knicks than any of these stars are to their team. Not to take anything away from LeBron, CP3 and Durant but Melo's 20-7 while averaging damn near 30.0 points per game.

gunsnewing wrote:

knickscity wrote:If Melo gets it, it will come the way Derrick Rose got his.....gotta have the number one seed first and foremost.

Rose did it playing PG a premier position though

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knickscity wrote:If Melo gets it, it will come the way Derrick Rose got his.....gotta have the number one seed first and foremost.

Rose did it playing PG a premier position though

I'd bet Rose wouldn't have gotten it had the not had the #1 seed, which is exactly what Melo will need to be considered as well.

Right Rose was #1 seed and a PG

NYKMentality wrote:All I know is this... The Knicks are 20-7 with Melo but yet only 3-3 without Melo.

You take LeBron off the Heat they'll still have the likes of Wade and Bosh leading the way with a sharp shooting in Ray Allen.

You take Durant off OKC they'll still have Westbrook leading the way along with Serge Ibaka.

You take CP3 off the Clippers, they'll still have a star in Griffin leading the way.

Long story short, Melo is an MVP. More important to the Knicks than any of these stars are to their team. Not to take anything away from LeBron, CP3 and Durant but Melo's 20-7 while averaging damn near 30.0 points per game.

No the Knicks are 3-3/5-5/2-2/3-1 without Melo/Sheed/Felton/Kidd and some of these games missed injuries overlapped. Although the samples are somewhat small it still shows we are a team with depth and are better than given credit for over an individual part.

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I put Kobe 5th because I think the Lakers will surpass teams like Houston, Portland and Minnie. Definitely the latter 2

You can't base MVP on projecting out it's in the here and now, after 30+ games played. Fans thought the Lakers would be better than 15-17 after they fired Brown, so far wrong.

If you think they will be better what would really be different with Kobe unless he's winning games with walk off shots? This also suggest team that are currently ahead of them who you believe they will surpass should have players currently listed ahead of him based on unexpected results.

Of course you cam project the mvp lists for right now are all projections on who they think it will be in the end.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:All in all I don't think Paul deserves to be ahead of Melo.
As good as he's been, Melo for me is a clear #3, Durant and James are rightly 1 and 2 at the moment, but the only other player who can break that is Melo.
Kobe could if the Lakers had a better record, and I don't have anything against Paul, I'd love him on the team, but to me Melo > Paul easily.

I think it's Bryant get's ranked so high although his team doesn't have a winning record, meanwhile not acknowledging players on teams with winning records who have surpassed expectation.

Yes Kobe is having a career year but so what, that's why he was lower on my list.

So what gives with Kobe? When I see him ranked high it totally blows up what the supposed criteria should/would be. Can't have it both ways folks although we always try to on this forum.

I don't watch the lakers much but I watched the game last night because I didn't have to stream it and I wanted to see the clips. A couple of bad signs despite Nash being back. Pau is taking long jump shots still. Kobe is shooting way too much. I thought Howard and Jordan hill both looked good.

Kobe's chucking is near 2006-2007 disgusting levels of chuck. That season he chucked 27FGA/gm. This year he's chucking 22fga but he has more scoring help around him, defensively they may be worse. Last year he shot 23fga/gm. It's obvious what's on Kobe's mind and he clearly wants to finish as The All-Time NBA scorer. He takes the highest degree of difficulty shots, but he's so talented he can make a good portion of them. He's basically Favreing his career out. The sad thing about it...Lebron and Durant will catch him barring no major injuries.

You can't be on a 15-17 team with that kind of talent around you and crack Top 5 MVP. And he's probably higher on others list who will actually cast votes, which speaks volumes about how much of a joke the award is. It may be slightly worse than making the All-Star as a leading vote getter. The award doesn't have a respectable standard for selection.

I don't watch many Laker games, but Kobe's stats (ppg, apg, rpg, and his fg%) are all very high, and you can't just overlook that.
However, with the Lakers being as bad as they are he won't be getting past the #5 spot anytime soon.

I'm not trying to defend Kobe in anyway, just explaining my choice.

I still think the only 3 players capable of being MVP are Melo, James and Durant, and one of those (hopefully the first although the least likely) will win it.

newyorknewyork wrote:Melo needs to take that scoring title from Kobe this season.

That only depends on Kobe with all honesty :D Melo's gonna keep doing his thing....how Kobe handles the Lakers losing is a different story :) He may end up trying to win games by himself or playing team ball....
in any case he's not going any lower than 3rd place (ppg) no mather what happens, and IMO he's actualy my favorite for this year's scoring title.

newyorknewyork wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Melo needs to take that scoring title from Kobe this season.

That only depends on Kobe with all honesty :D Melo's gonna keep doing his thing....how Kobe handles the Lakers losing is a different story :) He may end up trying to win games by himself or playing team ball....
in any case he's not going any lower than 3rd place (ppg) no mather what happens, and IMO he's actualy my favorite for this year's scoring title.

Its 100% on Kobe as he is going to get all the mins and shots he desires.

That's without a doubt true, however even if he's shooting and playing well it's obviously not working. He need to get others around him involved more in order for the Lakers to win more games, and I think he's too much of a professional to not notice that and try to change something.

When he figures that out exactly is hard to tell, and that's basicaly the one thing that decides the scoring title (when Kobe decides it's time to take one for the team in terms of being "less involved").

For some reason I thought Melo's ppg was going to take a noticable dip once Amare came back, and that looked like the case against San Antonio, but then I got to thinking, that was a low scoring game in which Melo never really "went off", which is something you don't see very often, the other 2 games with Amare back he's actualy scored 45 and 40.

Which leaves me a bit confused to say the least.

And having a big time scorer like Melo, he should get his 18-20 shots no matter who comes back.