martin wrote:Not in good enough condition

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Meanwhile our finesse player ripped the ball from Brown to take away a game tying shot attempt... after playing 51 minutes.

When the phuck did he rest? I bet Thibs went to piss or something and Mikal just subbed himself out.

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:At the end of the day everything we say here is feel and opinion. Some based on more facts than others in a world where we cannot actually get inside the workings of the team.

I don't think our asset depletion and cap situation leaving us in a tough spot to make meaningful moves is an opinion though, I think that is closer to fact. We have a crafty FO and I think they will figure out a way to do stuff around the margins next year. Being 9M under the second apron with the worst bench in the league isn't exactly a rosy picture of our ability to do that though.

You just used your opinion to state that matured vets who are older can't be as good as young coaches with verve with zero understanding of what any of the assistants bring to the table. Zero. The opinion gotta be based on something tangible.

That's not opinion that's making up something out of whole cloth.

It's not making stuff up out of thin air. Thibs has always had an associate head coach. He does not have one anymore because he didn't replace Johnnie Bryant. Associate head coach is always the "lead assistant" or number 2 guy and they are higher profile coaches with pedigrees. Steve Kerr for example always has an associate head coach, with that job title, on his bench that was a recent head coach. Rick Brunson is the only guy on the sidelines in Thibs' ear ever anymore. The rest of the coaches are second row coaches, and second row is for the lower level guys for obvious reasons.

It's not that hard to gauge quality by reputation. Plenty of assistants are rumored for head coaching gigs, that's one way you can gauge their value. We saw every year Johnnie Bryant was a threat to leave for some head coaching gig or even a college gig. You know he was a high quality assistant because other teams wanted to poach him. But regardless, we all follow the team in detail, and when there is a special assistant or someone with juice we know about it. Just like we know of Leon's assistants and their roles and the ones who might have special talents like Brock Aller.

Rick Brunson is the associate head coach. Don't know if he qualifies as young enough.

https://sny.tv/articles/nba-poking-around-knicks-promotion-assistant-coach-rick-brunson

‘‘In response to the rumored NBA investigation into Rick Brunson’s promotion, Brunson took (former associate head coach) Johnnie Bryant’s place and assumed the same salary as Bryant. It’s offensive that anyone would claim Rick didn’t deserve the promotion,” MSG Sports said in a statement. “Rick has done a tremendous job and will continue to do so. We see this as more harassment of the Knicks due to our opposition to certain NBA matters.”

I have no idea where you keep talking about young when I never mentioned it. I am talking about status, not age. My point about Cheeks was that he hasn't been relevant as a head coaching candidate in 15 years.

But Brunson's dad becoming the new lead assistant kind of proves my point of not having a high level staff. Thibs can do better and that shouldn't be a controversial take. When he first got here his bench was loaded.

Leon keeps hiring the best of the best across the board. That's what we know.

You've convinced yourself you know the quality of Rick Brunson's abilities relative to other associate head coaches. Help me understand that.

For one, he was coaching high school basketball before Thibs hired him prior to landing Jalen in FA.

He also was the personal trainer and coach for the best closer in basketball these days and that player has such a fat head it's a wonder he can even stand up correctly and not be in constant bobble head mode his entire life.

I did not know this but Jalen is a natural rightly and his dad forced him to shoot and play lefty and combine it with elite footwork and strength. Best decision ever.

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:At the end of the day everything we say here is feel and opinion. Some based on more facts than others in a world where we cannot actually get inside the workings of the team.

I don't think our asset depletion and cap situation leaving us in a tough spot to make meaningful moves is an opinion though, I think that is closer to fact. We have a crafty FO and I think they will figure out a way to do stuff around the margins next year. Being 9M under the second apron with the worst bench in the league isn't exactly a rosy picture of our ability to do that though.

You just used your opinion to state that matured vets who are older can't be as good as young coaches with verve with zero understanding of what any of the assistants bring to the table. Zero. The opinion gotta be based on something tangible.

That's not opinion that's making up something out of whole cloth.

It's not making stuff up out of thin air. Thibs has always had an associate head coach. He does not have one anymore because he didn't replace Johnnie Bryant. Associate head coach is always the "lead assistant" or number 2 guy and they are higher profile coaches with pedigrees. Steve Kerr for example always has an associate head coach, with that job title, on his bench that was a recent head coach. Rick Brunson is the only guy on the sidelines in Thibs' ear ever anymore. The rest of the coaches are second row coaches, and second row is for the lower level guys for obvious reasons.

It's not that hard to gauge quality by reputation. Plenty of assistants are rumored for head coaching gigs, that's one way you can gauge their value. We saw every year Johnnie Bryant was a threat to leave for some head coaching gig or even a college gig. You know he was a high quality assistant because other teams wanted to poach him. But regardless, we all follow the team in detail, and when there is a special assistant or someone with juice we know about it. Just like we know of Leon's assistants and their roles and the ones who might have special talents like Brock Aller.

Rick Brunson is the associate head coach. Don't know if he qualifies as young enough.

https://sny.tv/articles/nba-poking-around-knicks-promotion-assistant-coach-rick-brunson

‘‘In response to the rumored NBA investigation into Rick Brunson’s promotion, Brunson took (former associate head coach) Johnnie Bryant’s place and assumed the same salary as Bryant. It’s offensive that anyone would claim Rick didn’t deserve the promotion,” MSG Sports said in a statement. “Rick has done a tremendous job and will continue to do so. We see this as more harassment of the Knicks due to our opposition to certain NBA matters.”

I have no idea where you keep talking about young when I never mentioned it. I am talking about status, not age. My point about Cheeks was that he hasn't been relevant as a head coaching candidate in 15 years.

But Brunson's dad becoming the new lead assistant kind of proves my point of not having a high level staff. Thibs can do better and that shouldn't be a controversial take. When he first got here his bench was loaded.

Leon keeps hiring the best of the best across the board. That's what we know.

You've convinced yourself you know the quality of Rick Brunson's abilities relative to other associate head coaches. Help me understand that.

For one, he was coaching high school basketball before Thibs hired him prior to landing Jalen in FA.

Rick Brunson:
As a player:
1995–1996 Adelaide 36ers
1996–1997 Quad City Thunder
1997 Connecticut Pride
1997–1998 Portland Trail Blazers
1998 Ginebra San Miguel
1998–1999 Connecticut Pride
1999–2000 New York Knicks
2000 Boston Celtics
2000–2001 New York Knicks
2001–2002 Portland Trail Blazers
2002–2003 Chicago Bulls
2003 Toronto Raptors
2003–2004 Chicago Bulls
2004 Progresso Castelmaggiore
2004–2005 Los Angeles Clippers
2005–2006 Seattle SuperSonics
2006 Houston Rockets
As a coach:
2007 Denver Nuggets (assistant)
2009–2010 Hartford (assistant)
2010–2012 Chicago Bulls (assistant)
2012–2013 Charlotte Bobcats (assistant)
2016–2018 Minnesota Timberwolves (assistant)
2019–2022 Camden HS
2022–present New York Knicks (assistant)
Career highlights
McDonald's All-American Co-MVP (1991)
9 years an NBA player, an assistant in the NBA with stops in Denver, Chicago, Charlotte, Minny, and back with Thibs in NY.
He is 52 years old.

Mo cheeks......HOF player,

As a coach:
1993–1994 Quad City Thunder (assistant)
1994–2001 Philadelphia 76ers (assistant)
2001–2005 Portland Trail Blazers
2005–2008 Philadelphia 76ers
2009–2013 Oklahoma City Thunder (assistant)
2013–2014 Detroit Pistons
2015–2020 Oklahoma City Thunder (assistant)
2020–2024 Chicago Bulls (assistant)
2024–present New York Knicks (assistant)

Both are qualified. There are bunch of others also. we all love the idea a young unknown savant who will change the game forever coming in and whispering sweet nothings in Thibs ear. Maybe look at the other guys on the bench. Darren Erman has a very good rep outside of ratting out Mark Jax. He got caught recording his rants and was let go but was hired immediately by boston. Jax got fired shortly after. Darren could not stay given the circumstnaces.
We read Johnny Bryant interviewed with Utah Jazz, Utah Utes, and Cavs. I think he very well could be up for a head gig soon.
Cheeks never did anything great as a HC but often its circumstances beyond their control. Does that make him any less of an assistant?
He was with Billy Donovan in Chicago for 5 years and wanted to move to NY for family reasons which was reported.

Rick is qualified as a former pro and assistant. Was he coach at Camden for personal reasons? Family stuff? Or just a washed up dude needing a hand and happend to have a son that would go where his pops would get hired? We can frame it anyway we want unless we have facts.

With 5th best offense in the league is it fair to say current knicks assistants are not getting the job done?

Nalod wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:At the end of the day everything we say here is feel and opinion. Some based on more facts than others in a world where we cannot actually get inside the workings of the team.

I don't think our asset depletion and cap situation leaving us in a tough spot to make meaningful moves is an opinion though, I think that is closer to fact. We have a crafty FO and I think they will figure out a way to do stuff around the margins next year. Being 9M under the second apron with the worst bench in the league isn't exactly a rosy picture of our ability to do that though.

You just used your opinion to state that matured vets who are older can't be as good as young coaches with verve with zero understanding of what any of the assistants bring to the table. Zero. The opinion gotta be based on something tangible.

That's not opinion that's making up something out of whole cloth.

It's not making stuff up out of thin air. Thibs has always had an associate head coach. He does not have one anymore because he didn't replace Johnnie Bryant. Associate head coach is always the "lead assistant" or number 2 guy and they are higher profile coaches with pedigrees. Steve Kerr for example always has an associate head coach, with that job title, on his bench that was a recent head coach. Rick Brunson is the only guy on the sidelines in Thibs' ear ever anymore. The rest of the coaches are second row coaches, and second row is for the lower level guys for obvious reasons.

It's not that hard to gauge quality by reputation. Plenty of assistants are rumored for head coaching gigs, that's one way you can gauge their value. We saw every year Johnnie Bryant was a threat to leave for some head coaching gig or even a college gig. You know he was a high quality assistant because other teams wanted to poach him. But regardless, we all follow the team in detail, and when there is a special assistant or someone with juice we know about it. Just like we know of Leon's assistants and their roles and the ones who might have special talents like Brock Aller.

Rick Brunson is the associate head coach. Don't know if he qualifies as young enough.

https://sny.tv/articles/nba-poking-around-knicks-promotion-assistant-coach-rick-brunson

‘‘In response to the rumored NBA investigation into Rick Brunson’s promotion, Brunson took (former associate head coach) Johnnie Bryant’s place and assumed the same salary as Bryant. It’s offensive that anyone would claim Rick didn’t deserve the promotion,” MSG Sports said in a statement. “Rick has done a tremendous job and will continue to do so. We see this as more harassment of the Knicks due to our opposition to certain NBA matters.”

I have no idea where you keep talking about young when I never mentioned it. I am talking about status, not age. My point about Cheeks was that he hasn't been relevant as a head coaching candidate in 15 years.

But Brunson's dad becoming the new lead assistant kind of proves my point of not having a high level staff. Thibs can do better and that shouldn't be a controversial take. When he first got here his bench was loaded.

Leon keeps hiring the best of the best across the board. That's what we know.

You've convinced yourself you know the quality of Rick Brunson's abilities relative to other associate head coaches. Help me understand that.

For one, he was coaching high school basketball before Thibs hired him prior to landing Jalen in FA.

Rick Brunson:
As a player:
1995–1996 Adelaide 36ers
1996–1997 Quad City Thunder
1997 Connecticut Pride
1997–1998 Portland Trail Blazers
1998 Ginebra San Miguel
1998–1999 Connecticut Pride
1999–2000 New York Knicks
2000 Boston Celtics
2000–2001 New York Knicks
2001–2002 Portland Trail Blazers
2002–2003 Chicago Bulls
2003 Toronto Raptors
2003–2004 Chicago Bulls
2004 Progresso Castelmaggiore
2004–2005 Los Angeles Clippers
2005–2006 Seattle SuperSonics
2006 Houston Rockets
As a coach:
2007 Denver Nuggets (assistant)
2009–2010 Hartford (assistant)
2010–2012 Chicago Bulls (assistant)
2012–2013 Charlotte Bobcats (assistant)
2016–2018 Minnesota Timberwolves (assistant)
2019–2022 Camden HS
2022–present New York Knicks (assistant)
Career highlights
McDonald's All-American Co-MVP (1991)
9 years an NBA player, an assistant in the NBA with stops in Denver, Chicago, Charlotte, Minny, and back with Thibs in NY.
He is 52 years old.

Mo cheeks......HOF player,

As a coach:
1993–1994 Quad City Thunder (assistant)
1994–2001 Philadelphia 76ers (assistant)
2001–2005 Portland Trail Blazers
2005–2008 Philadelphia 76ers
2009–2013 Oklahoma City Thunder (assistant)
2013–2014 Detroit Pistons
2015–2020 Oklahoma City Thunder (assistant)
2020–2024 Chicago Bulls (assistant)
2024–present New York Knicks (assistant)

Both are qualified. There are bunch of others also. we all love the idea a young unknown savant who will change the game forever coming in and whispering sweet nothings in Thibs ear. Maybe look at the other guys on the bench. Darren Erman has a very good rep outside of ratting out Mark Jax. He got caught recording his rants and was let go but was hired immediately by boston. Jax got fired shortly after. Darren could not stay given the circumstnaces.
We read Johnny Bryant interviewed with Utah Jazz, Utah Utes, and Cavs. I think he very well could be up for a head gig soon.
Cheeks never did anything great as a HC but often its circumstances beyond their control. Does that make him any less of an assistant?
He was with Billy Donovan in Chicago for 5 years and wanted to move to NY for family reasons which was reported.

Rick is qualified as a former pro and assistant. Was he coach at Camden for personal reasons? Family stuff? Or just a washed up dude needing a hand and happend to have a son that would go where his pops would get hired? We can frame it anyway we want unless we have facts.

With 5th best offense in the league is it fair to say current knicks assistants are not getting the job done?

Why you bringing facts into this?!

Some Forget Brunson’s dad has been an integral part of making our best player better. As you referenced.
Believe he has also helped others.
If you think about it. Pretty good having a coach who has a vested interest.
No higher interest than a dad’s.

ToddTT wrote:

Panos wrote:Can we PLEASE SHUT THIS FUCKING THREAD DOWN?

But we have no idea what’s going to happen next game!

VDesai wrote:Brunson resigned his job in Minny because of Sexual Harassment allegations. He coached in High School after that as NBA teams were not gonna touch that in that time/environment. He went to the HS level and coached a top 10 in the country team before Thibs decided to give him another chance.

You know what’s crazy is jets fans say you can’t draft Shedeur Sanders because of his dad. But look at how the Knicks are doing with JB’s dad on the freaking coaching staff.

This is why the Jets aren’t making the playoffs for another ten years minimum.