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KnickDanger
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4/15/2022  3:58 PM
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KnickDanger wrote:You guys are talking about Luka's injury like it's career ending. He has a strained calf muscle and there is talk he will try to play tonight. Not great but talking about it affecting the Dallas pick we own 2023 to 2025...come on.

Same injury KD had before it turned into an Achilles rupture after trying to play through it..

A good bit of conjecture there and the 2025 draft is 3 years away -- but maybe you're right!
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4/15/2022  4:28 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
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KnickDanger wrote:You guys are talking about Luka's injury like it's career ending. He has a strained calf muscle and there is talk he will try to play tonight. Not great but talking about it affecting the Dallas pick we own 2023 to 2025...come on.

Same injury KD had before it turned into an Achilles rupture after trying to play through it..

A good bit of conjecture there and the 2025 draft is 3 years away -- but maybe you're right!

I was mainly focusing on the 2023 draft because it has been rumored that will be the double draft year. Why must everything be a confrontation. I just want to talk basketball. How did talking about an injury become an argument somehow. This topic is not important enough to me so I am done with this.
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4/15/2022  5:03 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Playoff shenanigans that may impact Knicks:

We need the Pelicans to win the play-in so we overtake them in the lottery standings, but for those who want Zion, them making the playoffs will likely make Zion give the Pelicans more of a chance.

Jazz vs Mavs: How does Brunson look/perform without Luka?- he was rough in the playoffs last season, so his performance will likely impact his price and availability (if you want the Knicks to sign him- I don't because I can't take another Kemba-Fournier esq backcourt defensively!). If the Jazz can't even beat the Luka-less Maps, then they may blow up the team, impacting D-Mitch's availability. Also If they blow the team up, Gobert's availability may impact which teams might be interested in Mitch (mainly Mavs which would impact a Mitch for Brunson sign and trade thing).

Bro, you and me are on the same wave length with Brunson. The Luka injury has huge Knick implications. Like you said if Brunson is worth 20mil a year we will find out real quick during these playoffs. Also if the Mavs rush Luka back like KD with a similar injury and it turns into an Achilles injury our Mavs pick then takes a huge leap in value. Hopefully the Mavs learn from the Warriors mistakes because I would hate for an amazing player like Luka to have such a devastating injury. KD returning better than he ever has been is the exception and not something that should be counted on for everyone.

Adds a bit more interest and excitement for us knicks fans! I'm genuinely excited for tonight's pelicans pkay in game, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Brunson does in the Mavs series.

If I were the Mavs I wouldn't risk Doncic this post season, he'll be pretty limited with a calf strain even without the risk of further injury. Really bad luck he got injured in the last game (which he shouldnt even have bee playing if the nba hadnt recinded the tech and 1 game suspension), but sometimes you have to heed what the basketball gods are telling you!

Bulls series may also have implications for the Knicks as maybe a poor showing puts Lavine off re-signing with them. Doubt we could pull off a sign and trade though, but if the bulls decline next season it helps our play-off chances.
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4/15/2022  6:05 PM
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Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Playoff shenanigans that may impact Knicks:

We need the Pelicans to win the play-in so we overtake them in the lottery standings, but for those who want Zion, them making the playoffs will likely make Zion give the Pelicans more of a chance.

Jazz vs Mavs: How does Brunson look/perform without Luka?- he was rough in the playoffs last season, so his performance will likely impact his price and availability (if you want the Knicks to sign him- I don't because I can't take another Kemba-Fournier esq backcourt defensively!). If the Jazz can't even beat the Luka-less Maps, then they may blow up the team, impacting D-Mitch's availability. Also If they blow the team up, Gobert's availability may impact which teams might be interested in Mitch (mainly Mavs which would impact a Mitch for Brunson sign and trade thing).

Bro, you and me are on the same wave length with Brunson. The Luka injury has huge Knick implications. Like you said if Brunson is worth 20mil a year we will find out real quick during these playoffs. Also if the Mavs rush Luka back like KD with a similar injury and it turns into an Achilles injury our Mavs pick then takes a huge leap in value. Hopefully the Mavs learn from the Warriors mistakes because I would hate for an amazing player like Luka to have such a devastating injury. KD returning better than he ever has been is the exception and not something that should be counted on for everyone.

Adds a bit more interest and excitement for us knicks fans! I'm genuinely excited for tonight's pelicans pkay in game, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Brunson does in the Mavs series.

If I were the Mavs I wouldn't risk Doncic this post season, he'll be pretty limited with a calf strain even without the risk of further injury. Really bad luck he got injured in the last game (which he shouldnt even have bee playing if the nba hadnt recinded the tech and 1 game suspension), but sometimes you have to heed what the basketball gods are telling you!

Bulls series may also have implications for the Knicks as maybe a poor showing puts Lavine off re-signing with them. Doubt we could pull off a sign and trade though, but if the bulls decline next season it helps our play-off chances.

Was the last game important to playoff seedings for the Mavs? I am trying to figure out why they would even risk him playing. Good point about them taking away that tech.

I did not even think about Lavine leaving the Bulls. As long as the Bulls are willing to max him I always thought he would re-sign. I think they are like one good big away and a few bench players away from really contending. They just really miss Lonzo right now. Lonzo is so underrated but he is sadly injury prone.
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4/15/2022  6:57 PM
franco12 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
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franco12 wrote:
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Now that he's completely erased from the franchise, I can say I will kinda missed him. Not his play on the court or the blockage he left on the salary cap flow. But he was a character and kept the locker room loose. Same with big KOQ.

I see him as a scumbag party boy who stole money from the Knicks and betrayed the fans.

He was never a Knick as far as I am concerned. Whatever happened after his signing was a complete disgrace and a total non-basketball type of BS. Can't even say good riddance... Just a straight up fraud

anyone want to man up at the disgrace this signing was? Some here seemed to defend this signing. I thought it was terrible at the time and the wrong direction to go. It was stupid to get rid of Robin Lopez who was signed to the best deal ever and played every friggin game.

Your local PhilJaxLovers contingent are stepping up and ready for the challenge!

Never understood breaking up KP and Lopez, top rim defense in the league for that one season.

Drose did return to some level of high talent. Whats not to understand? If your looking in hindsight at least "respect the timeline".
Rose was a mess when he got here. The AWAL, trial, etc.......he was not in a good place.

I wonder had we kept Robin if KP's development would have gone differently - I think maybe we ruined him with expectations. Win now or your not worth anything.

In my mind at the time, if I recall correctly, I wanted to see a slow and steady build of talent.

Phil came in and thought arrogantly that he could build a winner overnight, probably because he inherited Jordan and started winning everything.

My take was Phil wanted knicks to be relevant and rebuild. He did not have all his picks (thank isiah) so in my mind he tried to build with KP, and add the trio of vets to at least make playoffs.
there is not way Rose, Melo and Noah were close to peak and be considered contenders. Hence the slow rebuild.
Noah was very unprofessional in his approach.

Did Phil think he could turn it around and contend? Only if delusional. Improve and move forward? at some level yes. Phil did not leverage the future. While he did not execute the ideas well, at the very least he did not laverage up and thats why I defend him at times.

In fairness:

He backed into KP and likley would have taken D'angelo Russell or Okafor in my opinion. Russell would have not matured here and Oka4 flamed out. From what we read he was not 100% on KP but Gaines was trusted and he went with it.
But, when it was time to trade him he was spot on. We might be talking about Jaylen Brown or Tatum on this team. If so, he might have redeemed himself a bit.
He got fired. Im not saying he was NOT deserving of it. Phil did not get it done.
Phil did not think KP would be durable. "Small butt" was the famous line. LOL.
There is a huge domino effect that goes into play had he given the chance to trade out KP. PHil made a lot of errors. All we doing is looking back.
We signed RoPez as a free agent and he was the base for Drose trade. Im not lamenting on losing RoPez. It was low risk move. It did not pan out as we thought. But it did pan out eventually! 4th seed baby!!! LOL

Wait a second.RoPez was actually a great signing that panned out brilliantly for us a matter of fact. As someone else has pointed out, our frontcourt with him and KP was top notch. Rim protection galore. His durability had offset KP's small as$ glass frame somewhat. I looooved RoPez while he was in NY. I 🤔 think it panned out beautifully. That's what made the move for Noah even worse and thats before Noah wiped his butt with our commitment to him.

Phil’s biggest issue wasn’t player talent evaluation. He sucked at hiring head coaches whether it was Fisher who was a joke or Rambis who was beyond horrible. By the time he picked his first semi decent coach Hornacek it was already too late

Frank N says hi from the bench in Dallas.

His problem was his absurd fixation on the Triangle, which he forced his coaches to try to implement.

And Dennis Smith was horrible as we all immediately discovered once he got in a Knick uniform
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4/15/2022  6:58 PM
KnickDanger wrote:You guys are talking about Luka's injury like it's career ending. He has a strained calf muscle and there is talk he will try to play tonight. Not great but talking about it affecting the Dallas pick we own 2023 to 2025...come on.

Luka has been plagued by lower leg injuries a lot so far during his time in the nba. So far it’s been the ankle now it’s starting to spread
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4/15/2022  7:02 PM
Clean wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Clean wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:You guys are talking about Luka's injury like it's career ending. He has a strained calf muscle and there is talk he will try to play tonight. Not great but talking about it affecting the Dallas pick we own 2023 to 2025...come on.

Same injury KD had before it turned into an Achilles rupture after trying to play through it..

A good bit of conjecture there and the 2025 draft is 3 years away -- but maybe you're right!

I was mainly focusing on the 2023 draft because it has been rumored that will be the double draft year. Why must everything be a confrontation. I just want to talk basketball. How did talking about an injury become an argument somehow. This topic is not important enough to me so I am done with this.


Don't really see how this was a confrontation at all. I gave my opinion, you differed with it -- I didn't take it personally. It's like talking sports at a bar.
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4/15/2022  8:47 PM
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smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Playoff shenanigans that may impact Knicks:

We need the Pelicans to win the play-in so we overtake them in the lottery standings, but for those who want Zion, them making the playoffs will likely make Zion give the Pelicans more of a chance.

Jazz vs Mavs: How does Brunson look/perform without Luka?- he was rough in the playoffs last season, so his performance will likely impact his price and availability (if you want the Knicks to sign him- I don't because I can't take another Kemba-Fournier esq backcourt defensively!). If the Jazz can't even beat the Luka-less Maps, then they may blow up the team, impacting D-Mitch's availability. Also If they blow the team up, Gobert's availability may impact which teams might be interested in Mitch (mainly Mavs which would impact a Mitch for Brunson sign and trade thing).

Bro, you and me are on the same wave length with Brunson. The Luka injury has huge Knick implications. Like you said if Brunson is worth 20mil a year we will find out real quick during these playoffs. Also if the Mavs rush Luka back like KD with a similar injury and it turns into an Achilles injury our Mavs pick then takes a huge leap in value. Hopefully the Mavs learn from the Warriors mistakes because I would hate for an amazing player like Luka to have such a devastating injury. KD returning better than he ever has been is the exception and not something that should be counted on for everyone.

Adds a bit more interest and excitement for us knicks fans! I'm genuinely excited for tonight's pelicans pkay in game, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Brunson does in the Mavs series.

If I were the Mavs I wouldn't risk Doncic this post season, he'll be pretty limited with a calf strain even without the risk of further injury. Really bad luck he got injured in the last game (which he shouldnt even have bee playing if the nba hadnt recinded the tech and 1 game suspension), but sometimes you have to heed what the basketball gods are telling you!

Bulls series may also have implications for the Knicks as maybe a poor showing puts Lavine off re-signing with them. Doubt we could pull off a sign and trade though, but if the bulls decline next season it helps our play-off chances.

Was the last game important to playoff seedings for the Mavs? I am trying to figure out why they would even risk him playing. Good point about them taking away that tech.

I did not even think about Lavine leaving the Bulls. As long as the Bulls are willing to max him I always thought he would re-sign. I think they are like one good big away and a few bench players away from really contending. They just really miss Lonzo right now. Lonzo is so underrated but he is sadly injury prone.

It wasn't. Mavs couldn't have moved up or down.

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4/15/2022  9:00 PM

I don’t have anything nice to say. So I’ll just keep quiet.

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4/15/2022  9:02 PM
In an hour I’ll be cursing that little **** Trae, or enjoying some incredibly delicious schadenfreude.
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I think I’m rooting for Jarret Allen’s hair to win it all.
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4/15/2022  10:09 PM
Fucker.
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ToddTT wrote:Fucker.

I hate Trae

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4/15/2022  10:25 PM
ToddTT wrote:

I don’t have anything nice to say. So I’ll just keep quiet.

C'mon. He looked good on that floor! That is saying something nice.

And I thought they should have called a flagrant on that and the 3pter that got taken off. Cleveland hit some bad luck tonight.
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4/15/2022  10:35 PM
Go Pels.
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4/15/2022  11:40 PM
The Pels are scaring me now. I was feeling good in the 1st half but now they are looking bad.
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4/16/2022  12:03 AM
Pels in Knicks like 3rd quarter collapse.
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4/16/2022  1:00 AM
What a great game. We also move up a spot.
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4/16/2022  4:33 AM
martin wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Fucker.

I hate Trae

He's so annoying. I know Heat vs Hawks will make for a better a series, but I just wanted to see him lose that play in game.
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4/16/2022  4:36 AM
Clean wrote:What a great game. We also move up a spot.

It was, and the Blazers lose the 11 pick that they would have got from the Pels- not sure if that's a good or a bad thing for those who saw the Blazers as one of the few possible randle landing spots.

Must say though, don't know how the nba has made the last minute of a close game so tedious to watch. From the moment the ref called the pushing foul on Batum it was an exercise in patience to watch, which is crazy.
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