franco12 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

franco12 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

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Now that he's completely erased from the franchise, I can say I will kinda missed him. Not his play on the court or the blockage he left on the salary cap flow. But he was a character and kept the locker room loose. Same with big KOQ.

I see him as a scumbag party boy who stole money from the Knicks and betrayed the fans.

He was never a Knick as far as I am concerned. Whatever happened after his signing was a complete disgrace and a total non-basketball type of BS. Can't even say good riddance... Just a straight up fraud

anyone want to man up at the disgrace this signing was? Some here seemed to defend this signing. I thought it was terrible at the time and the wrong direction to go. It was stupid to get rid of Robin Lopez who was signed to the best deal ever and played every friggin game.

At the time of the signing there were mixed reactions. The negative centered around his injury history which was a big deal and it was too much of a gamble money wise. There were positive takes in that he had always played hard and would be a leader. No one predicted he would abandon his professionalism to the night life though.

sounds like someone trying to avoid manning up and admitting they were wrong. We had a decent team before we signed Noah. It wasn't great, but it was workman like, it had flexibility with the cap. Lopez was a far better player- dude is still balling.

What the hell? “Manning up?” Give me a break. If revealing my thoughts on signing Joakim Noah at the time is the barometer of my manhood - that isn’t toxic masculinity that’s just dumb masculinity.

For the record I was as my previous post stated - I had mixed feelings. There seemed to be some hope he could come in as a leader and strong defensive presence but he totally betrayed us and his contract became a millstone. I’ve never thought about hiding that opinion and don’t understand what any of this has to do with one’s sperm count. And btw I liked Robin Lopez a lot also.

But of course YOU the man saw it all. Bravo.

Relax! I'm not calling you or anyone out! And you're right - it should be about owning up to poor opinions we held in the past. Nothing whatsoever to do with personal attributes.

I just don't think you can hold anything against Noah - dudes body just broke down. And he was never the guy with talent, just a tremendous level of energy - and his short career burned him out.

And this is highly germane to our discussions now about trading Julius Randle. I hope we don't screw things up and do a trade to the Lakers for a washed up Westbrook.

I like our group. I like Randle (the version last year and before), but not the attitude that has been perceived. Tossing the ball off and walking off the court after a tremendous win is just too much of a downer kind of person. I hope the FO and Thibs can get Randle to just chillax. Chill out dude. Try to have fun! That would be my message to Randle - try to have fun, and if you can't in NY with this group, we will find you the best place we can (Indiana! OKC, UTAH!)

Moving on, we disagree on Noah's responsibility. He didn't just break down, he spent his time in New York getting high and staying up late instead of taking care of himself. He has admitted this and though I give him credit for that, to my mind he disgraced the uniform and betrayed Knicks fans.

Next topic!

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/1513550479007137794

Now that he's completely erased from the franchise, I can say I will kinda missed him. Not his play on the court or the blockage he left on the salary cap flow. But he was a character and kept the locker room loose. Same with big KOQ.

I see him as a scumbag party boy who stole money from the Knicks and betrayed the fans.

He was never a Knick as far as I am concerned. Whatever happened after his signing was a complete disgrace and a total non-basketball type of BS. Can't even say good riddance... Just a straight up fraud

anyone want to man up at the disgrace this signing was? Some here seemed to defend this signing. I thought it was terrible at the time and the wrong direction to go. It was stupid to get rid of Robin Lopez who was signed to the best deal ever and played every friggin game.

Your local PhilJaxLovers contingent are stepping up and ready for the challenge!

Never understood breaking up KP and Lopez, top rim defense in the league for that one season.

Drose did return to some level of high talent. Whats not to understand? If your looking in hindsight at least "respect the timeline".
Rose was a mess when he got here. The AWAL, trial, etc.......he was not in a good place.

I wonder had we kept Robin if KP's development would have gone differently - I think maybe we ruined him with expectations. Win now or your not worth anything.

In my mind at the time, if I recall correctly, I wanted to see a slow and steady build of talent.

Phil came in and thought arrogantly that he could build a winner overnight, probably because he inherited Jordan and started winning everything.

My take was Phil wanted knicks to be relevant and rebuild. He did not have all his picks (thank isiah) so in my mind he tried to build with KP, and add the trio of vets to at least make playoffs.
there is not way Rose, Melo and Noah were close to peak and be considered contenders. Hence the slow rebuild.
Noah was very unprofessional in his approach.

Did Phil think he could turn it around and contend? Only if delusional. Improve and move forward? at some level yes. Phil did not leverage the future. While he did not execute the ideas well, at the very least he did not laverage up and thats why I defend him at times.

In fairness:

He backed into KP and likley would have taken D'angelo Russell or Okafor in my opinion. Russell would have not matured here and Oka4 flamed out. From what we read he was not 100% on KP but Gaines was trusted and he went with it.
But, when it was time to trade him he was spot on. We might be talking about Jaylen Brown or Tatum on this team. If so, he might have redeemed himself a bit.
He got fired. Im not saying he was NOT deserving of it. Phil did not get it done.
Phil did not think KP would be durable. "Small butt" was the famous line. LOL.
There is a huge domino effect that goes into play had he given the chance to trade out KP. PHil made a lot of errors. All we doing is looking back.
We signed RoPez as a free agent and he was the base for Drose trade. Im not lamenting on losing RoPez. It was low risk move. It did not pan out as we thought. But it did pan out eventually! 4th seed baby!!! LOL

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/1513550479007137794

Now that he's completely erased from the franchise, I can say I will kinda missed him. Not his play on the court or the blockage he left on the salary cap flow. But he was a character and kept the locker room loose. Same with big KOQ.

I see him as a scumbag party boy who stole money from the Knicks and betrayed the fans.

He was never a Knick as far as I am concerned. Whatever happened after his signing was a complete disgrace and a total non-basketball type of BS. Can't even say good riddance... Just a straight up fraud

anyone want to man up at the disgrace this signing was? Some here seemed to defend this signing. I thought it was terrible at the time and the wrong direction to go. It was stupid to get rid of Robin Lopez who was signed to the best deal ever and played every friggin game.

Your local PhilJaxLovers contingent are stepping up and ready for the challenge!

Never understood breaking up KP and Lopez, top rim defense in the league for that one season.

Drose did return to some level of high talent. Whats not to understand? If your looking in hindsight at least "respect the timeline".
Rose was a mess when he got here. The AWAL, trial, etc.......he was not in a good place.
Phil was right. But his timing did not equate. DRose's second time was the charm.

You are hilarious, drunk Unca Nalod! DRose came back years later a changed man, so Phil was right about breaking up the best rim protection duo in the league in order to get a deranged version of MVP who was sobbing into his cheerios when he found out he was going to the .... knicks??? Seriously? Are you busy ghostwriting the next "What My Rings Really Mean to Me and My Feet" Jax tome?

The scout wanted KP but Phil knew KP had glass azz. But Phil let the pick go for KP anyway! Phil wuz right!
We only spent $60 million on Noah for Nothing, but it's Jimmie's money, and somehow having a drug addled douchebag got us the 4th seed years later, so Phil wuz right!
And since we're going way off topic..
Frankie was the epic triangle pick, but no coach could run the Triangle like the Big Chief! Phil wuz right!

Or maybe your working title is "Phil Wuz Right!"

Disclaimer: despite all this rightness, Phil did not deliver. (Secretly, that was actually all Melo's fault, but we all knew that)

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/1513550479007137794

Now that he's completely erased from the franchise, I can say I will kinda missed him. Not his play on the court or the blockage he left on the salary cap flow. But he was a character and kept the locker room loose. Same with big KOQ.

I see him as a scumbag party boy who stole money from the Knicks and betrayed the fans.

He was never a Knick as far as I am concerned. Whatever happened after his signing was a complete disgrace and a total non-basketball type of BS. Can't even say good riddance... Just a straight up fraud

anyone want to man up at the disgrace this signing was? Some here seemed to defend this signing. I thought it was terrible at the time and the wrong direction to go. It was stupid to get rid of Robin Lopez who was signed to the best deal ever and played every friggin game.

Your local PhilJaxLovers contingent are stepping up and ready for the challenge!

Never understood breaking up KP and Lopez, top rim defense in the league for that one season.

Drose did return to some level of high talent. Whats not to understand? If your looking in hindsight at least "respect the timeline".
Rose was a mess when he got here. The AWAL, trial, etc.......he was not in a good place.

I wonder had we kept Robin if KP's development would have gone differently - I think maybe we ruined him with expectations. Win now or your not worth anything.

In my mind at the time, if I recall correctly, I wanted to see a slow and steady build of talent.

Phil came in and thought arrogantly that he could build a winner overnight, probably because he inherited Jordan and started winning everything.

KP was a vulnerable narcissistic time bomb. He would have asked for a trade after flopping here no matter what. We have our criticisms of Randle but he is a better player than KP and he actually plays in games

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/1513550479007137794

Now that he's completely erased from the franchise, I can say I will kinda missed him. Not his play on the court or the blockage he left on the salary cap flow. But he was a character and kept the locker room loose. Same with big KOQ.

I see him as a scumbag party boy who stole money from the Knicks and betrayed the fans.

He was never a Knick as far as I am concerned. Whatever happened after his signing was a complete disgrace and a total non-basketball type of BS. Can't even say good riddance... Just a straight up fraud

anyone want to man up at the disgrace this signing was? Some here seemed to defend this signing. I thought it was terrible at the time and the wrong direction to go. It was stupid to get rid of Robin Lopez who was signed to the best deal ever and played every friggin game.

Your local PhilJaxLovers contingent are stepping up and ready for the challenge!

Never understood breaking up KP and Lopez, top rim defense in the league for that one season.

Drose did return to some level of high talent. Whats not to understand? If your looking in hindsight at least "respect the timeline".
Rose was a mess when he got here. The AWAL, trial, etc.......he was not in a good place.

I wonder had we kept Robin if KP's development would have gone differently - I think maybe we ruined him with expectations. Win now or your not worth anything.

In my mind at the time, if I recall correctly, I wanted to see a slow and steady build of talent.

Phil came in and thought arrogantly that he could build a winner overnight, probably because he inherited Jordan and started winning everything.

My take was Phil wanted knicks to be relevant and rebuild. He did not have all his picks (thank isiah) so in my mind he tried to build with KP, and add the trio of vets to at least make playoffs.
there is not way Rose, Melo and Noah were close to peak and be considered contenders. Hence the slow rebuild.
Noah was very unprofessional in his approach.

Did Phil think he could turn it around and contend? Only if delusional. Improve and move forward? at some level yes. Phil did not leverage the future. While he did not execute the ideas well, at the very least he did not laverage up and thats why I defend him at times.

In fairness:

He backed into KP and likley would have taken D'angelo Russell or Okafor in my opinion. Russell would have not matured here and Oka4 flamed out. From what we read he was not 100% on KP but Gaines was trusted and he went with it.
But, when it was time to trade him he was spot on. We might be talking about Jaylen Brown or Tatum on this team. If so, he might have redeemed himself a bit.
He got fired. Im not saying he was NOT deserving of it. Phil did not get it done.
Phil did not think KP would be durable. "Small butt" was the famous line. LOL.
There is a huge domino effect that goes into play had he given the chance to trade out KP. PHil made a lot of errors. All we doing is looking back.
We signed RoPez as a free agent and he was the base for Drose trade. Im not lamenting on losing RoPez. It was low risk move. It did not pan out as we thought. But it did pan out eventually! 4th seed baby!!! LOL

Wait a second.RoPez was actually a great signing that panned out brilliantly for us a matter of fact. As someone else has pointed out, our frontcourt with him and KP was top notch. Rim protection galore. His durability had offset KP's small as$ glass frame somewhat. I looooved RoPez while he was in NY. I 🤔 think it panned out beautifully. That's what made the move for Noah even worse and thats before Noah wiped his butt with our commitment to him.

Phil’s biggest issue wasn’t player talent evaluation. He sucked at hiring head coaches whether it was Fisher who was a joke or Rambis who was beyond horrible. By the time he picked his first semi decent coach Hornacek it was already too late

Frank N says hi from the bench in Dallas.

His problem was his absurd fixation on the Triangle, which he forced his coaches to try to implement.

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https://twitter.com/shwinnypooh/status/1514750702622490629

It's from Berman so take it with a grain of salt but Berman was pretty much against the youth movement most of the season. If this is true I feel better about Thibs coming back. It sucks like with Elf he took too long to make a change but at least he see's it after the fact and will hopefully incorporate it into his gameplan for next season.

We need the Pelicans to win the play-in so we overtake them in the lottery standings, but for those who want Zion, them making the playoffs will likely make Zion give the Pelicans more of a chance.

Jazz vs Mavs: How does Brunson look/perform without Luka?- he was rough in the playoffs last season, so his performance will likely impact his price and availability (if you want the Knicks to sign him- I don't because I can't take another Kemba-Fournier esq backcourt defensively!). If the Jazz can't even beat the Luka-less Maps, then they may blow up the team, impacting D-Mitch's availability. Also If they blow the team up, Gobert's availability may impact which teams might be interested in Mitch (mainly Mavs which would impact a Mitch for Brunson sign and trade thing).

smackeddog wrote:Playoff shenanigans that may impact Knicks:

We need the Pelicans to win the play-in so we overtake them in the lottery standings, but for those who want Zion, them making the playoffs will likely make Zion give the Pelicans more of a chance.

Jazz vs Mavs: How does Brunson look/perform without Luka?- he was rough in the playoffs last season, so his performance will likely impact his price and availability (if you want the Knicks to sign him- I don't because I can't take another Kemba-Fournier esq backcourt defensively!). If the Jazz can't even beat the Luka-less Maps, then they may blow up the team, impacting D-Mitch's availability. Also If they blow the team up, Gobert's availability may impact which teams might be interested in Mitch (mainly Mavs which would impact a Mitch for Brunson sign and trade thing).

Bro, you and me are on the same wave length with Brunson. The Luka injury has huge Knick implications. Like you said if Brunson is worth 20mil a year we will find out real quick during these playoffs. Also if the Mavs rush Luka back like KD with a similar injury and it turns into an Achilles injury our Mavs pick then takes a huge leap in value. Hopefully the Mavs learn from the Warriors mistakes because I would hate for an amazing player like Luka to have such a devastating injury. KD returning better than he ever has been is the exception and not something that should be counted on for everyone.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Playoff shenanigans that may impact Knicks:

We need the Pelicans to win the play-in so we overtake them in the lottery standings, but for those who want Zion, them making the playoffs will likely make Zion give the Pelicans more of a chance.

Jazz vs Mavs: How does Brunson look/perform without Luka?- he was rough in the playoffs last season, so his performance will likely impact his price and availability (if you want the Knicks to sign him- I don't because I can't take another Kemba-Fournier esq backcourt defensively!). If the Jazz can't even beat the Luka-less Maps, then they may blow up the team, impacting D-Mitch's availability. Also If they blow the team up, Gobert's availability may impact which teams might be interested in Mitch (mainly Mavs which would impact a Mitch for Brunson sign and trade thing).

Bro, you and me are on the same wave length with Brunson. The Luka injury has huge Knick implications. Like you said if Brunson is worth 20mil a year we will find out real quick during these playoffs. Also if the Mavs rush Luka back like KD with a similar injury and it turns into an Achilles injury our Mavs pick then takes a huge leap in value. Hopefully the Mavs learn from the Warriors mistakes because I would hate for an amazing player like Luka to have such a devastating injury. KD returning better than he ever has been is the exception and not something that should be counted on for everyone.

Dallas pick 1-10 protected 2023-25 and then it becomes a 2nd round pick.

Well then that is no good. We would then have to hope they don't get too bad.

Clean wrote:

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This helps us a bit if the pelicans can pull this off for the reasons Smackeddog said earlier.

Man, covid is going to be such a wild card this postseason