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Hosting parties while covid positive. We have no chance of controlling this until a vaccine.

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Hosting parties while covid positive. We have no chance of controlling this until a vaccine.

IMO that kid should be arrested.

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BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/09/15/covid-test-prices-hospitals-scrutiny-congress-insurers-consumers/3472304001/

'I was floored': Coronavirus test prices charged by some hospitals and labs stun consumers, spur questions

Under the federal legislation, insurance companies must cover COVID-19 testing at no cost to the patient. The legislation requires providers to post on a website the prices for testing, but the Energy and Commerce Committee noted some labs failed to meet this requirement.

A separate analysis by the nonprofit, nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation found nearly one in four hospital websites did not publicly post prices. Of the hospitals that did, Kaiser found some prices as high as $850 for a single test – not including extra fees a consumer might be assessed, such as the cost of a doctor’s visit, facility fee or specimen collection. The median price was $127, but about one in five hospitals charge more than $200 per diagnostic test.

A survey conducted by the industry group America’s Health Insurance Plans found hospitals or labs that did not contract with insurance plans tended to charge the most. About 1 in 10 of these out-of-network providers charged an average $390 for a COVID-19 test.

By comparison, Medicare, the government insurance program for older Americans, pays labs $100 for each test processed by a “high-throughput” machine designed to increase capacity and deliver faster results. For other COVID-19 tests run on different instruments, Medicare paid about $51 per test as of April, the agency said.

“It does show there is price gouging occurring during this pandemic that we feel is not appropriate,” said Jeanette Thornton, AHIP’s senior vice president of product, employer and commercial policy

This is why I hate our healthcare. At the hospital my mother was at it is 1k a day if you have a room. You also have a roommmate unless you have an infection. So they make 2k a day per tiny room. This does not count any treatment or anything else just to stay in the room. This is all a rip off. The 20 to 30 minute drive in the ambulance came in at almost $900. It would have been a $20 taxi drive. I love that they help people in need but F them for their blatant overcharging.

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jskinny35 wrote:While I'm a big fan of wearing masks to protect oneself and others, one of the reasons I believe we're having such division is the uncertainty and (at times) confusing information. Yes, there are the anti-maskers that will never support wearing masks no matter what. I consider myself a fairly educated person and the CDC guy holds up a mask saying this is the most effective thing. I get that if we all wear them it is the best societal solution. Then I think about all the conflicting and/or changing information about particles floating in the air and put on my N95 smoke mask when I go into the post office or the grocery store (lucky to have a few spare ones from the wildfires out here in CA three summers ago). Seems like if masks are really the way to go (which I support) - focus could have been on making more N95 masks if there is truth to the aerosols/particles floating in the air thing. Also, seems like government could have helped schools replace/upgrade their HVAC systems and necessary filters to reduce/minimize spread indoors...

For political reasons, Trump insisted the gov't NOT do all of those things, it's why this country is such a cluster**** it is in.

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BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/09/15/covid-test-prices-hospitals-scrutiny-congress-insurers-consumers/3472304001/

'I was floored': Coronavirus test prices charged by some hospitals and labs stun consumers, spur questions

Under the federal legislation, insurance companies must cover COVID-19 testing at no cost to the patient. The legislation requires providers to post on a website the prices for testing, but the Energy and Commerce Committee noted some labs failed to meet this requirement.

A separate analysis by the nonprofit, nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation found nearly one in four hospital websites did not publicly post prices. Of the hospitals that did, Kaiser found some prices as high as $850 for a single test – not including extra fees a consumer might be assessed, such as the cost of a doctor’s visit, facility fee or specimen collection. The median price was $127, but about one in five hospitals charge more than $200 per diagnostic test.

A survey conducted by the industry group America’s Health Insurance Plans found hospitals or labs that did not contract with insurance plans tended to charge the most. About 1 in 10 of these out-of-network providers charged an average $390 for a COVID-19 test.

By comparison, Medicare, the government insurance program for older Americans, pays labs $100 for each test processed by a “high-throughput” machine designed to increase capacity and deliver faster results. For other COVID-19 tests run on different instruments, Medicare paid about $51 per test as of April, the agency said.

“It does show there is price gouging occurring during this pandemic that we feel is not appropriate,” said Jeanette Thornton, AHIP’s senior vice president of product, employer and commercial policy

This is why I hate our healthcare. At the hospital my mother was at it is 1k a day if you have a room. You also have a roommmate unless you have an infection. So they make 2k a day per tiny room. This does not count any treatment or anything else just to stay in the room. This is all a rip off. The 20 to 30 minute drive in the ambulance came in at almost $900. It would have been a $20 taxi drive. I love that they help people in need but F them for their blatant overcharging.

If you go travelling in Europe you soon realize Americans have been getting hugely screwed by a complete lack of paid holidays (Europeans usually have at least 4 weeks paid holiday per year- people can’t believe the paltry offerings here) and by medical charges (a lot of countries it’s free at the point of delivery and again people cannot believe the numbers here). It really doesn’t have to be this way, it’s a political choice. And it sucks.

This is very true!
The main issue on this - e.g. the thing prefenting change - seems to be that as soon as somebody voices the benefit of these changes to the American public somebody will swat it down claiming these are all socialist ideas and America will never be communist!!!
And thats that for an argument!

Its pretty sad to be honest!

martin wrote:This is not going to end well

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Florida is one big retirement home. Given how the older population is at a higher risk for complications this is truly atrocious.

BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/19/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-safety-blueprints.html
AstraZeneca, Under Fire for Vaccine Safety, Releases Trial Blueprints

Polls are finding Americans increasingly wary of accepting a coronavirus vaccine. And scientists inside and outside the government are worried that regulators, pressured by the president for results before Election Day on Nov. 3, might release an unproven or unsafe vaccine.

“The release of these protocols seems to reflect some public pressure to do so,” said Natalie Dean, a biostatistician and expert in clinical trial design for vaccines at the University of Florida. “This is an unprecedented situation, and public confidence is such a huge part of the success of this endeavor.”

Experts have been particularly concerned about AstraZeneca’s vaccine trials, which began in April in Britain, because of the company’s refusal to provide details about serious neurological illnesses in two participants, both women, who received its experimental vaccine in Britain. Those cases spurred the company to halt its trials twice, the second time earlier this month. The studies have resumed in Britain, Brazil, India and South Africa, but are still on pause in the U.S. About 18,000 people worldwide have received AstraZeneca’s vaccine so far

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The AZ data was never particularly awesome looking. I am not surprised by this.

Clean wrote:Disinformation and politics will be the death of so many in this country.

1. Americans in general are way more unhealthy and have way more comorbidities than other countries. So our death numbers will naturally be higher.

2. We are the only place hiding and juking the stats to make our situation seem better than it is. Notice the outrage has gone down considerably now that Trump has routed all info to his team? Notice the huge increase in Pneumonia and death over every previous year?

A month or so ago it came out that if a person clearly died due to Covid in their home but never got tested they did not count as a covid death.

3. People using junk info/stats to downplay it. They like to compare it to the flu but conveniently ignoring that way more have died in a few months than the flu does in a year. This is with months of quarantine, social distancing and a majority of people wearing masks. Can you imagine how bad it would have been without those 3 things?

They also count all recovered people the same. No matter what life long issues you will now have or how many months you were stuck in a hospital or how close to death you was. In their eyes everyone who recovered were all Asymptomatic.

I am to the point where I want all these people who downplay this virus to catch it and let Darwinism play its course. They will never learn until they get burned or they burn someone who they love. Them learning the hard way early might be what is best for the general public in the long term.

A bit late with a reply here, but just like you say it is in the States with the downplaying of the cases in Russia it's the same if not worse. In 2020, the amount of cases with two-sided pneumonia have gone up exponentially. From what I understand the type of pneumonia that affects both lungs is much more rare than single lung pneumonia. Yet this year in Russia the proportion of cases of two-sided pneumonia is much higher, abnormally so.