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1/19/2017  10:35 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Those boycotting this Presidential inauguration are attempting to lay the groundwork for the 2020 election. Again under estimating the intelligence of the American voters to see right threw their political games. These people will be referred to in history books as unamerican and the faces of the fail movement to sabotage our nation. Or Maybe not. Maybe they will just disappear in irrelevancy.

Boycotting the inauguration is now called "sabotaging the country"??? ROTFLMAO

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1/19/2017  11:15 AM
Obama's sendoff...

US B-2 bombers strike ISIS camps in Libya – defense officials

US B-2 bombers struck and destroyed two ISIS camps in Libya overnight, with initial estimates that over 80 militants were killed, US officials told CNN Thursday.

The mission, which was confirmed in a later Pentagon statement and is expected to be the last, short-notice military operation ordered by President Barack Obama, was approved several days ago by the President, according to sources.

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1/19/2017  11:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2017  11:44 AM
Treasury Secretary pick, Mnuchin, didn't disclose 100 million in assets, Off Shore hedge fund, 8 shell companies, also private art held by kids worth millions, etc., etc. to Senate..No one cares right???..Ok...
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1/19/2017  1:11 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those boycotting this Presidential inauguration are attempting to lay the groundwork for the 2020 election. Again under estimating the intelligence of the American voters to see right threw their political games. These people will be referred to in history books as unamerican and the faces of the fail movement to sabotage our nation. Or Maybe not. Maybe they will just disappear in irrelevancy.

Boycotting the inauguration is now called "sabotaging the country"??? ROTFLMAO

Apparently so- it can't just be a case of people not liking the president, so choosing not to attend!

All these people who have spent years being vitriol vs Obama now think everyone should be fair and supportive of Trump because he's president!

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1/19/2017  2:02 PM
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Wow...

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1/19/2017  2:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2017  2:34 PM
This is a response to Kristof Op-Ed in the NYTimes on "Missing Barack Obama already"...

Some dude in Brooklyn:

-"Funny how Mr. Obama and his family exemplify all of the qualities that the GOP supposedly care about: family, a belief in a higher power, personal conservatism, etc. while the man they elected is the polar opposite. Amazing how hate can blind."


Another Comment:

-The sickness of racism, bigotry and mental disconnect led Republicans in their abominable efforts to negate a man and his family who embodied EVERYTHING Republican Conservatism indicated it stood for: A leader- measured in thought and action. Intelligent, conservative in action; taking the moral high ground; God Fearing. An intact family without hint of personal scandal. The only *drawback* was; these qualities were all wrapped up in Black Skin.

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1/19/2017  4:03 PM
holfresh wrote:This is a response to Kristof Op-Ed in the NYTimes on "Missing Barack Obama already"...

Some dude in Brooklyn:

-"Funny how Mr. Obama and his family exemplify all of the qualities that the GOP supposedly care about: family, a belief in a higher power, personal conservatism, etc. while the man they elected is the polar opposite. Amazing how hate can blind."


Another Comment:

-The sickness of racism, bigotry and mental disconnect led Republicans in their abominable efforts to negate a man and his family who embodied EVERYTHING Republican Conservatism indicated it stood for: A leader- measured in thought and action. Intelligent, conservative in action; taking the moral high ground; God Fearing. An intact family without hint of personal scandal. The only *drawback* was; these qualities were all wrapped up in Black Skin.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
Tell me what Transgender Bathroom rights, Black Liberation Theology, Police = Pigs art in DC has to do with intelligent conservatism, moral high ground and God Fearing. What God is that, might I ask?

Don't look now, but your bitter liberal lens is showing.

Funny how no matter what happens, one can always play the race card. Not.

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1/19/2017  4:05 PM
holfresh wrote:Treasury Secretary pick, Mnuchin, didn't disclose 100 million in assets, Off Shore hedge fund, 8 shell companies, also private art held by kids worth millions, etc., etc. to Senate..No one cares right???..Ok...

Went to the same high school as him. He's a doosh and a scumbag...always has been, always will be. Fox in the hen house, that's what his nomination is.

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1/19/2017  4:07 PM
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:Treasury Secretary pick, Mnuchin, didn't disclose 100 million in assets, Off Shore hedge fund, 8 shell companies, also private art held by kids worth millions, etc., etc. to Senate..No one cares right???..Ok...

Went to the same high school as him. He's a doosh and a scumbag...always has been, always will be. Fox in the hen house, that's what his nomination is.

They usually do well in life...

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1/19/2017  4:40 PM
Two thumbs up Sam Moore. Classy and Inspiring
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1/19/2017  4:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2017  4:48 PM
Rick Perry regrets saying eliminate the Energy Department...Isn't that special...
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1/19/2017  4:50 PM
jrodmc wrote:
holfresh wrote:This is a response to Kristof Op-Ed in the NYTimes on "Missing Barack Obama already"...

Some dude in Brooklyn:

-"Funny how Mr. Obama and his family exemplify all of the qualities that the GOP supposedly care about: family, a belief in a higher power, personal conservatism, etc. while the man they elected is the polar opposite. Amazing how hate can blind."


Another Comment:

-The sickness of racism, bigotry and mental disconnect led Republicans in their abominable efforts to negate a man and his family who embodied EVERYTHING Republican Conservatism indicated it stood for: A leader- measured in thought and action. Intelligent, conservative in action; taking the moral high ground; God Fearing. An intact family without hint of personal scandal. The only *drawback* was; these qualities were all wrapped up in Black Skin.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
Tell me what Transgender Bathroom rights, Black Liberation Theology, Police = Pigs art in DC has to do with intelligent conservatism, moral high ground and God Fearing. What God is that, might I ask?

Don't look now, but your bitter liberal lens is showing.

Funny how no matter what happens, one can always play the race card. Not.

So you don't think race played a role in the vitriol towards Obama??

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1/19/2017  5:11 PM
Inaugural Concert on CNN...What, no Kayne??
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1/19/2017  5:36 PM
Ivanka gotta loosen up, maybe John Riggins can talk to her
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1/19/2017  6:19 PM
Donnie Tunes loves everyone!1 Melania looks like she'd rather be dining at Nobu with Barron
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1/19/2017  6:42 PM
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meloanyk wrote:
nixluva wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:Call it democratic, liberal, leftist or socialist policies. Here are some numbers in the American cities run by them.

OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTHS BEFORE WELFARE 12%, AFTER WELFARE 72%

Then there are the families that scam the entire system.

It's not he people. It starts and ends with the policies, "leaders" and the corrupt politicians.

Fix em and we will all prosper. Culturally, spiritually and lastly in our pockets

Yes, because nothings changed since the invention of welfare other than the invention of welfare. It's like me saying that since you were born, out of wedlock births have increased dramatically, as have divorce rates- therefore you must be causing it! Correlation does not prove causation.

I don't even get what your percentages are= 12% or 72% of what?!

And what exactly is wrong with births -GASP!- out of wedlock? In the past people felt forced to marry if they got pregnant out of shame and social pressure, now a lot of people choose not to marry just because they're pregnant- I think that's a good thing.

Every system will be scammed- welfare scams are peanuts compared to corporate & political scams.

Unreal response. Blacks lose credibility when their culture doesn't stress responsibility especially related to actions that are within their control, every study shows direct correlations between out of wedlock births, single parenting and poverty levels for all people. Black culture should hold their men accountable, for raising and educating the children they bring into the world. Im a fan of Planned Parenthood but they can only educate and supply on birth control.

From blackdemographics.com 2014 stats.

"Poverty rates for Black families vary based on the family type. While 23% of all Black families live below the poverty level only 8% of Black married couple families live in poverty which is considerably lower than the 37% of Black families headed by single women who live below the poverty line. The highest poverty rates (46%) are for Black families with children which are headed by single Black women. This is significant considering more than half (55%) of all Black families with children are headed by single women."


YO WTF??? You don't really want to get into the reasons behind a lot of this but just point out the statistics!!! I'm so tired of this kind of BS!!! You really think that all of this happened just cuz Blacks suddenly decided not to have Families in Wedlock??? Nothing else caused this shift just Blacks choosing to live in Single Family homes. There are a TON of very real actions and inactions taken by the Government and Society as a whole that have lead to this situation. It's not a simple choice that has brought this about.

My Daughter is married. My youngest Son is Married and in 3 weeks my Oldest Son is getting married. I try to understand the circumstances that have brought about the many issues facing the Black Community in this country. Lack of proper education, employment and role models are probably at the top of the list of hindrances. The judicial system and over-policing and sentencing is another issue on top of the others. We've had some great posts above that included Videos that did a full historical breakdown of how we got here. I suggest you find them and watch them or at least dig deeper into the subject. This wasn't an accident that we have the situation we have in the Black Community.


Please spare me , reciting black history as a causation for everything is also tiresome. Black progress is stunted by this cultural problem that persists today . Blacks regardless of any civil right strides will never near equal footing with whites and other achieving minorities until this is fully addressed by black leadership and improved upon. Not exercising personal responsibility is not the fault of anyone other than the people involved who choose not to use birth control. If you bring a kid into this world you better understand what that entails .

Your 3 kids got married? Wonderful,kudos to you, they are part of the 28% and your grandchildren will be fortunate to have been raised in a nuclear family that will give them a much greater chance at equality and success.

Hypocrisy reigns in this circle jerk here, many flail away with every blame whitey spin then disregard any failings or underlying problems in culture

2 days, good luck to all with Looney Tunes, he won't be politically correct or pandering but something tells me he'll improve the lives of the masses in the inner cities while being called a racist

You admittedly aren't informed enough about black history to be able to quantify cause and effect first and foremost. But thats the common accountability trait that "whitey" tends to display. None of that black history or accurate history in general taught within our school system, because "whitey" is so accountable. In reality though blacks are the most held accountable race in America. Blacks through out history have been held to the full extent of the law for any issues we have had and even issues we didn't have. I mean look at the last 3 presidents in Bush, Obama & Trump. Can you honestly say that you could picture a black president act the way Bush or Trump do or have the baggage that they have and be elected President? Obama had to basically be close to flawless in all aspects simply because he is black. While Trump.... And since you want to throw out stereotypical statistics. What are the statistics behind majority whites in politics being corrupt? And how much money have they swindled from the public year to date and on average per year? Or white owned corporations or wall street who use shady practices to generate income? Where are the figures on that and the effect on the economy?

Now back to the single mothers. While single black mothers have reached 72%, Child birth from black women overall is at the lowest point documented. Out of wedlock babies also doesn't specifically mean that the father isn't present or active or on welfare.

But while the number of unmarried black women has substantially grown, the actual birthrate (measured by births per 1000) for black women is it the lowest point that its ever documented.
So while a larger number of black women are choosing not to marry, many of those women are also choosing not to bring kids into the world. But there is something else.
As you can see the drop in the birthrate for unmarried black women is mirrored by an even steeper drop among married black women. Indeed, whereas at one point married black women were having more kids than married white women, they are now having less.
I point this out to show that the idea that the idea that, somehow, the black community has fallen into a morass of cultural pathology is convenient nostalgia. There is nothing “immoral” or “pathological” about deciding not to marry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/black-single-mothers-biggest-impediment_n_3818824.html

Statistics can be used in anyway people want to interpret it and it is not proving anything alone.
It does not help when cultures and nations are declining and disappearing to look at the reasons why.
It is obvious that without strong family culture specific population group cannot hold its identity for long.
If there is no common and unique moral goal and purpose inside this group it will also be assimilated into other well defined nations.
I cannot see any reason in long run for Afro-American nation to exist. There is no historical or moral motivation.
So statistically single them out is useless and brings racist overtones.
Except of dividing people by the color of their skin it has no value.

I was only teasing when asking for statistics on majority white government being corrupt. People are corrupt across the world so it isn't tied to whites.

None of the comments you offered about the importance of strong family are unique to blacks. I was raised to believe in marriage but don't look to quickly judge others situations. People today wait longer to get married which has been sited as one of the reasons why divorce rates has dropped drastically than in the 70s and 80s and marriages have lasted longer overall since that time. People have been getting married at older and more mature ages to handled the duties of marriage. Getting married because you had kid only to be divorced a few yrs later isn't the ideal situation for children either.

African American enrollment in college is at the highest level it has ever been at 70.9% for high school graduates(Actually higher all other groups except Asians 86%, graduation though is a different story).

According to National Health Statistics Reports. Black fathers (who of course weren't dead or in jail) "were the most involved with their children daily, on a number of measures, of any other group of fathers"
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/opinion/charles-blow-black-dads-are-doing-the-best-of-all.html.

More stats for black women
According to The National Center for Education Statistics, black women have recently emerged as the most educated population of people by race and gender in the United States. That makes them a powerful force in the political and business world.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72

“From 1999–2000 to 2009–10, the percentage of degrees earned by females remained between approximately 60 and 62 percent for associate’s degrees and between 57 and 58 percent for bachelor’s degrees. In contrast, the percentages of both master’s and doctor’s degrees earned by females increased from 1999–2000 to 2009–10. Within each racial/ethnic group, women earned the majority of degrees at all levels in 2009–10. For example, among U.S. residents, Black females earned 68 percent of associate’s degrees, 66 percent of bachelor’s degrees, 71 percent of master’s degrees, and 65 percent of all doctor’s degrees awarded to Black students.”

So yes over the past years blacks have been putting a lot of work into being more involved with their children and trying to get educated. But I guess all that effort should be thrown out the window because 72% which quickly lead to generalizations and stereotypes.

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1/19/2017  7:01 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those boycotting this Presidential inauguration are attempting to lay the groundwork for the 2020 election. Again under estimating the intelligence of the American voters to see right threw their political games. These people will be referred to in history books as unamerican and the faces of the fail movement to sabotage our nation. Or Maybe not. Maybe they will just disappear in irrelevancy.

Boycotting the inauguration is now called "sabotaging the country"??? ROTFLMAO

Apparently so- it can't just be a case of people not liking the president, so choosing not to attend!

All these people who have spent years being vitriol vs Obama now think everyone should be fair and supportive of Trump because he's president!

YUP. All the psychopathic hate speech babbling alt right $hit now think they are legitimized and mainstream. LOL.

Playing the victim and "defending the nation" must be a new role for them. What they don't get is they are being played by the biggest psychopath of all time. 4 years from now both will subside back into the irrelevance they belong in. It's called regressing back to the mean.

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A pastor with a long history of inflammatory remarks about Muslims, Mormons, Catholics and gays is scheduled to preach at a private service for President-elect Trump and his family on Friday, shortly before Trump takes the oath of office.

The pastor, the Rev. Robert Jeffress, is a Southern Baptist who vigorously campaigned for Trump during the final months of the presidential election and is a member of his evangelical advisory board. "I love this guy!" Trump has said of Jeffress. Before the campaign, Trump, a Presbyterian, had no apparent connection to the pastor, who leads First Baptist Church in Dallas.

Friday morning's worship service, scheduled to be held at St. John's Episcopal Church across the street from the White House, will continue a modern Inauguration Day ritual. With the exception of Richard Nixon in 1973, every president since Franklin Roosevelt has attended spiritual services on Inauguration Day, many at St. John's. The event is separate from both the inauguration itself and an interfaith service to be held Saturday at Washington National Cathedral, where an imam is among those who will offer prayers.

Usually the Inauguration Day service draws little notice, much less controversy. But offering Jeffress such a prominent pulpit is likely to irk religious minorities, particularly Muslims, many of whom were already angered by the President-elect's stoking of suspicions about Islam during the campaign.

Jeffress leads a 12,000-member megachurch in Dallas and is a frequent guest on Fox News. But to many Americans, he may be best known for his frequent condemnations of Mormonism as a "cult" during the 2012 presidential campaign. He urged Christians not to vote for Mitt Romney, a Mormon, during the Republican primary. He later supported Romney over President Barack Obama.

Jeffress has also called Islam and Mormonism heresies "from the pit of hell," suggested that the Catholic church was led astray by Satan, accused Obama of "paving the way" for the Antichrist and spread false statistics about the prevalence of HIV among gays, who he said live a "miserable" and "filthy" lifestyle.

In recent years, Jeffress has frequently denounced Islam, calling it an "evil religion" that "promotes pedophilia" because the Prophet Muhammed married a 9-year-old girl. (Many modern Muslim scholars disagree about her age.) The pastor has also said that Mormons, Muslims and Hindus "worship a false god."

The Rev. Luis León, rector of St. John's Episcopal, told CNN about the plan for Jeffress to deliver the sermon when CNN inquired about the event. Leon has been involved in logistical planning of the event but not the choice of speakers. A second source involved in the service confirmed to CNN on Thursday that Jeffress is scheduled to take part.

About 300 people will attend the private event, León said, including Trump's family and Vice President-elect Mike Pence and his family. Trump's inauguration organizers chose Jeffress to preach, said León.

Jeffress declined to comment on his role in the inauguration, saying his contract with Fox News precludes him from speaking with CNN. But on Thursday night he tweeted that he is: "Honored to deliver sermon 'When God Chooses a Leader' for Trump/Pence private family service at St. John's Church" before the inauguration.

On Fox New on Thursday night, Jeffress said his sermon will center on Nehemiah, a Trump-like figure from the Hebrew Bible, the pastor said, who helped rebuild Jerusalem in the 5th century BC, in part by mounting a defensive wall around the city.

"I want to encourage Mr. Trump," Jefrress said. "I can't stand pastors who use their minutes before a president to chastise him."
An official affiliated with Trump inauguration planning, speaking on background, defended Jeffress against critics who call him divisive:
"Pastor Jeffress is a unifying figure representing a diverse spectrum of Americans. Any attempt to vilify this religious leader is deeply disappointing and misplaced."

The Council on American-Islamic relations disagreed.

"Unfortunately, the choice of Rev. Jeffress is symptomatic of the incoming Trump administration's inclusion of notorious Islamophobes in the transition team, in the picks for cabinet nominees and, beginning Friday, in the White House," said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper.
Ross Murray, director of programs for GLAAD, said he is also concerned about the inclusion of Jeffress in Friday's service.

"The inauguration and the people invited to pray at the inauguration speak to the values and the agenda of the incoming president. Jeffress' anti-LGBTQ message is now going to be tied to this administration and its policies."

Ironically, St. John's is known for its tolerance toward homosexuality and other faiths. In November, León joined other Episcopalians in urging Trump to denounce a rash of hate crimes across the US, many apparently related to the election.

Even though the service will be private, Jeffress is an unusual choice to preach on Inauguration Day, an occasion when incoming presidents often try to unite the country's diverse religious and social strands. In 2013, the Rev. Louie Giglio, an evangelical pastor, withdrew from Obama's inauguration ceremony after an outcry about a sermon on homosexuality he had preached in the 1990s.

According to Leon, other participants in Friday's service at St. John's are a mix of old-guard evangelicals and Trump loyalists. They include: Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, televangelist James Robison and Pastor Mark Burns, who has admitted to falsifying aspects of his biography, such as nonexistent stints in the Army Reserve and a college degree he did not earn.

Later on Friday, at the inauguration itself, five Christians and one rabbi will offer public prayers and readings. While two of the pastors are prosperity preachers -- a first for a presidential inauguration -- none have disparaged gays or other religions like Jeffress.

Jeffress' beliefs about other faiths -- that they are heresies and will not result in salvation -- are shared by many evangelicals. But the stridency of his condemnations sometimes confound fellow conservatives.

"His sound bites are often incendiary, but his convictions — including the exclusivity of the gospel and the belief that homosexual behaviors are sinful — are clearly within the mainstream of American evangelicalism," R. Albert Mohler, a leading Southern Baptist, said in 2013, after former NFL quarterback Tim Tebow backed out of an event at Jeffress' church.

But Jeffress' denunciations of gays and Muslims often stretch beyond the realms of sin and salvation.

He has called homosexuality "degrading," and linked it to pedophilia, alcoholism, depression and suicide, while insisting that his remarks are rooted in concern for gays -- a way of showing them the true path to salvation.

In a 2008 sermon, he urged his congregation to demonstrate compassion toward gays, even as he condemned their "filthy behavior."
Likewise, Jeffress has said that Islam incites violence and is "inspired by Satan himself," while also arguing that "it is our love for Muslims that demands we speak the truth about Islam."

On occasion, Jeffress has taken aim at evangelicals themselves.

"I am getting sick and tired of these namby-pamby, pantywaisted, weak-kneed Christians who say they're going to stay home (on Election Day) in November out of moral principle," Jeffress said last year.

On January 3, Jeffress tweeted that he had met with the incoming president in Trump Tower, and predicted he will be "the most faith-friendly president in our nation's history."

trump's heart definitely isn't racist...but his fingers...his mouth...the folks around him are...

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1/19/2017  11:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2017  11:44 PM
Trump proposes military parades down Pennsylvania Avenue..
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