Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by islesfan:

Good day for the Yankees. Easy win. Good start from Pettitte and the offense is still humming. Giambi is making a serious case to be an All Star. Alfredo Aceves, some guy they pulled from the Mexican League and is tearing through AA ball, pitched 8 innings tonight while giving up only one hit. They aren't the Mets.

As for those Mets, they rightfully get crucified for the piss poor job they did hanging Randolph out to dry, their GM looks like an incompetent and total buffoon trying to spin the situation, their plan to do it the day Santana is scheduled to pitch backfires as the Angels easily handle him and Reyes gets hurt leading off the game with a single and has to be removed from the game.

I want to go to sleep but I'm afraid to miss another major 3 AM announcement from the Mets.

the good thing is that i don't think cash is going to feel the pressure of making a move this season. i think he has so many young pitchers that he's going to use this as an opportunity to see what they got. and i'm glad they are...unless they can get someone on the cheap. and getting hughes back in august would be something like a midseason deal.

looks like wang might be done for the year so that's a huge loss.

giambi's #'s are kind of retarded...may have to exercise the option for next season.

I think they saw what was out there and what trades were being offered after Wang went down and came to the easy conclusion that they have to hold the fort with what they already have in their system. It's the smart move. Like you said, unless they can get someone on the cheap, they should just hold off on trades.

They have an easy schedule through July, with a ton of home games, I think they can weather the storm until Hughes and Kennedy come back.

I'm happy for Giambi that he's getting his game back but I don't trust it and wouldn't count on it for next year. Assuming they get Texeira, there wouldn't be any room for Giambi anyway with Damon and Matsui on the books for another year.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

5 in a row... 8 of the last 10... best in the majors over that stretch.

right now the Yanks are the hottest team in baseball.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-18-2008 12:11 AM]

I'm happy to see the team winning but they are beating up on bad teams right now.

You play who your schedule tells you to play. All you can do is try to win those games. That's what they're doing. The Red Sox and Tampa are going to be playing those same teams so why should the Yankees apologize for playing and winning those games?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

there are only a select amount of good teams in baseball... do u think good teams only beat up on good teams? u gotta beat who you're playing that day bottomline & the Yanks are doing it now in convincing fashion no less... 2 straight shutouts, the offense has been pretty awesome, bullpen is doing their job nicely, we're getting great starting pitching & they've been playing great defense... we haven't accomplished anything yet but if you don't get encouraged by the way they've been playing of late u probably haven't been watching the games.

No, I've been watching. We have different standards. I can tell you'd be happy if this team just made it to the playoffs and lost in the 1st round again. I'm not interested in merely repeating the last few years.

In a transition year with their starting pitching, and now with a season ending injury to their ace, why do you expect that much? Try not to base it on previous seasons.

We should have had a transition year about 5 years ago. If this is a transition year (which I haven't heard any member of the Yankees' organization say), then it points to failures in the long-term planning throughout the decade. It took three consecutive first round playoff losses for them to realize they needed a transition? I'd rather have a GM that is proactive.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

there are only a select amount of good teams in baseball... do u think good teams only beat up on good teams? u gotta beat who you're playing that day bottomline & the Yanks are doing it now in convincing fashion no less... 2 straight shutouts, the offense has been pretty awesome, bullpen is doing their job nicely, we're getting great starting pitching & they've been playing great defense... we haven't accomplished anything yet but if you don't get encouraged by the way they've been playing of late u probably haven't been watching the games.

No, I've been watching. We have different standards. I can tell you'd be happy if this team just made it to the playoffs and lost in the 1st round again. I'm not interested in merely repeating the last few years.

In a transition year with their starting pitching, and now with a season ending injury to their ace, why do you expect that much? Try not to base it on previous seasons.

And I'll just add that injury or no injury to their ace, the Yankees are able to put together a more expensive, healthy lineup than their opponents in every game. So I'm gonna cut them too much slack. If you spend $200 mil, you should have more than one ace pitcher (and it's not even clear that Wang is one actually). Teams spending far less have deeper starting rotations.

Cashman has restocked the farm system to the point it's considered one of the best in baseball, 5 years ago it was considered to be one of the worst. He's put the Yankees in a position where they don't need to rely on expensive free agent pitchers or costly trades. How much more proactive should he be? I know, because it wasn't done soon enough for your liking, it shouldn't count or his good work should be diminished in some way. Me, I'm just glad that it was done and done very well.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Cashman has restocked the farm system to the point it's considered one of the best in baseball, 5 years ago it was considered to be one of the worst. He's put the Yankees in a position where they don't need to rely on expensive free agent pitchers or costly trades. How much more proactive should he be? I know, because it wasn't done soon enough for your liking, it shouldn't count or his good work should be diminished in some way. Me, I'm just glad that it was done and done very well.

Allowing the farm system to deteriorate and then correcting it is clearly being reactive not proactive. That said, we do not know how well his reactive efforts have worked. That will take many years to assess. I wish we saw more promising preliminary results this year.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Cashman has restocked the farm system to the point it's considered one of the best in baseball, 5 years ago it was considered to be one of the worst. He's put the Yankees in a position where they don't need to rely on expensive free agent pitchers or costly trades. How much more proactive should he be? I know, because it wasn't done soon enough for your liking, it shouldn't count or his good work should be diminished in some way. Me, I'm just glad that it was done and done very well.

Allowing the farm system to deteriorate and then correcting it is clearly being reactive not proactive. That said, we do not know how well his reactive efforts have worked. That will take many years to assess. I wish we saw more promising preliminary results this year.

Reactive. Proactive. Does it really matter if the end result is the farm system is built up to the point that it's considered one of the best in baseball and gives the Yankees plenty of good, young, affordable talent to fill holes with?

I'm sorry that Hughes and Kennedy got hurt but you're being piggish if you don't think grooming an obvious ace and a few solid bullpen guys aren't promising preliminary results.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Cashman has restocked the farm system to the point it's considered one of the best in baseball, 5 years ago it was considered to be one of the worst. He's put the Yankees in a position where they don't need to rely on expensive free agent pitchers or costly trades. How much more proactive should he be? I know, because it wasn't done soon enough for your liking, it shouldn't count or his good work should be diminished in some way. Me, I'm just glad that it was done and done very well.

Allowing the farm system to deteriorate and then correcting it is clearly being reactive not proactive. That said, we do not know how well his reactive efforts have worked. That will take many years to assess. I wish we saw more promising preliminary results this year.

Reactive. Proactive. Does it really matter if the end result is the farm system is built up to the point that it's considered one of the best in baseball and gives the Yankees plenty of good, young, affordable talent to fill holes with?

I'm sorry that Hughes and Kennedy got hurt but you're being piggish if you don't think grooming an obvious ace and a few solid bullpen guys aren't promising preliminary results.

The difference between proactive and reactive is huge in any area of life. A proactive president might have prevented 9/11. A proactive GM might have never let it get to the point where a $200 mil payroll will either miss the playoffs or likely lose in the 1st round for the 4th straight season. We'd probably be in the position Boston was by last year had we had a proactive GM. They have more sane, patient, intelligent ownership and general managing that are all stages ahead of us in their planning.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 06-18-2008 2:09 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

To be continued...I have to leave now. I'm officially beginning my move from Maine to Alabama. I may get online occasionally if any of the hotels I'm staying at along the way overnight have internet access.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Joba is not an obvious ace. You're jumping to conclusions. He's an obvious solid set up man whom we've seen very few starting pitching innings