GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

Exactly... imagine all this bison roaming free in the Plains and proud Chiefs leading the warriors to the battle.. sacred places and Shaman dense... so beautiful and authentic. No drunk cowboys and greedy slave-owners... Now I am dreaming...

Somehow I dont believe thats the "breathing room" you fully support. You always seem to side with the oppressors over the oppressed, the wealthy over the poor, the colonizers over the colonized. Only the things that affect your demographic seem to concern you, everything else is just one big joke.

I am siding with Progress and I accept the price the human race as a whole and specific cultures are paying for it.
If you think we are not better of now comparing to the past ages I do not know what to say.
Yes, in many ways the civilization we build is based on blood, sweat, and struggles of millions who were treated badly.
There was no other way and still is no other way.

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Do you actually try to find out any information or do just post the horse**** from Fox TV?
Do you know that the heavily Republican govt of the state of Texas conducted and posted a study that showed illegal immigrants DO NOT cost us billions or even millions. They did a comprehensive study showing the impact of illegal immigrants is a net positive to the economy. Yes you read that right. NET POSITIVE

http://www.workingimmigrants.com/2006/12/new_texas_study_says_illegal_i.html

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

Exactly... imagine all this bison roaming free in the Plains and proud Chiefs leading the warriors to the battle.. sacred places and Shaman dense... so beautiful and authentic. No drunk cowboys and greedy slave-owners... Now I am dreaming...

Somehow I dont believe thats the "breathing room" you fully support. You always seem to side with the oppressors over the oppressed, the wealthy over the poor, the colonizers over the colonized. Only the things that affect your demographic seem to concern you, everything else is just one big joke.

I am siding with Progress and I accept the price the human race as a whole and specific cultures are paying for it.
If you think we are not better of now comparing to the past ages I do not know what to say.
Yes, in many ways the civilization we build is based on blood, sweat, and struggles of millions who were treated badly.
There was no other way and still is no other way.

Thats very pretty and all, but it doesnt change anything I said. Accepting things the way they are right now is one thing. Endorsing them, enabling them, is entirely another.

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.

I am voting for libertarian mandate. And a lot of millennials will do to.
Both Reps and Dems are not the future.
They discredited themselves by disregarding the future of this country in favor of their personal and partisan needs.

Back that statement up. Also, please tell me how the libertarian candidate is good for the country.

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.

I am voting for libertarian mandate. And a lot of millennials will do to.
Both Reps and Dems are not the future.
They discredited themselves by disregarding the future of this country in favor of their personal and partisan needs.

Back that statement up. Also, please tell me how the libertarian candidate is good for the country.

All we do is based on believes.
I believe libertarian platform brings together economical conservatism with liberal social ideas.
As I am opposing any socialist/communism ideas based on personal experience and historical facts and conservative social ideas based on same the libertarian mandate is the closest to my world view.
As per personal qualities of President I believe in integrity, honesty, and humanity.
I do not see this qualities in both candidates.
Again this is personal opinion.

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.

I am voting for libertarian mandate. And a lot of millennials will do to.
Both Reps and Dems are not the future.
They discredited themselves by disregarding the future of this country in favor of their personal and partisan needs.

Reality is you might be steering Trump or Mrs. Clinton if you vote that way.
It might make you feel better NOT voting for one vs. the other, but this is reality at the moment.
BY all means, don't stop caring.

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

Exactly... imagine all this bison roaming free in the Plains and proud Chiefs leading the warriors to the battle.. sacred places and Shaman dense... so beautiful and authentic. No drunk cowboys and greedy slave-owners... Now I am dreaming...

Somehow I dont believe thats the "breathing room" you fully support. You always seem to side with the oppressors over the oppressed, the wealthy over the poor, the colonizers over the colonized. Only the things that affect your demographic seem to concern you, everything else is just one big joke.

I am siding with Progress and I accept the price the human race as a whole and specific cultures are paying for it.
If you think we are not better of now comparing to the past ages I do not know what to say.
Yes, in many ways the civilization we build is based on blood, sweat, and struggles of millions who were treated badly.
There was no other way and still is no other way.

Thats very pretty and all, but it doesnt change anything I said. Accepting things the way they are right now is one thing. Endorsing them, enabling them, is entirely another.

If you have the solution in mind to make things better now or going forward this should be always considered.
However the mechanism of the society is quite complicated and driven by lows of human nature same as the low of nature define our universe. And human nature is changing very slowly. We are greedy aggressive carnivores give or take.
We are getting more "human" as it makes sense more and more but it is a very gradual and uneven process.

Thats what most of us have been doing in this thread, not playing the gadfly. Our country never would have been founded with your attitude. East India Tea Company have a monopoly on Tea? Why have a Tea Party? Let them tax us and give an unfair advantage to the largest corporation the world has ever seen. Lets just crack some jokes, and get back to going broke. Sure, that would have worked too.

US is just an episode (and small one for this matter) in human history.
If it will not be the other country will play its role.
I am just observing and see a lot of sense in what is happening.

Seems like an easy way to excuse any type of behavior, no matter how barbaric. I will have to remember that the next time you are "aggrieved".

Accept the reality does not mean agree with it.
You have no any other choice anyways.
Surrender and do best you can to apply love and humanity to you immediate family, friends, and community.
If everyone will do just that it will go ling way to make whole creation a better place.

Nalod wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.

I am voting for libertarian mandate. And a lot of millennials will do to.
Both Reps and Dems are not the future.
They discredited themselves by disregarding the future of this country in favor of their personal and partisan needs.

Reality is you might be steering Trump or Mrs. Clinton if you vote that way.
It might make you feel better NOT voting for one vs. the other, but this is reality at the moment.
BY all means, don't stop caring.

Every political movement is build overtime so you never know...
I do not want to take my little piece of responsibly for what Trump or Hilary will do when elected.
Because I do not trust them personally and the political groups they represent collectively.

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.

I am voting for libertarian mandate. And a lot of millennials will do to.
Both Reps and Dems are not the future.
They discredited themselves by disregarding the future of this country in favor of their personal and partisan needs.

Here is a Libertarian with a plan for the future..

Come on, why you picking on Gary?!? He's got the long view, baby!

We need to get this United Federation of Planets thing going or else it's Battlestar Galatica time, running away from sentient SkynetSolarCityTeslabots!

I saw that live, it definitely brought a smile! He has such a goofy way about him that I didn't notice 4 years ago.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.

I am voting for libertarian mandate. And a lot of millennials will do to.
Both Reps and Dems are not the future.
They discredited themselves by disregarding the future of this country in favor of their personal and partisan needs.

Here is a Libertarian with a plan for the future..

Come on, why you picking on Gary?!? He's got the long view, baby!

We need to get this United Federation of Planets thing going or else it's Battlestar Galatica time, running away from sentient SkynetSolarCityTeslabots!

I saw that live, it definitely brought a smile! He has such a goofy way about him that I didn't notice 4 years ago.

Humor is a problem in US...
As Disney teaches us the humor is when somebody kicked in the a..sss..
And yes I am seriously for exploration of other planets , self-driving cars, fusion energy and such.
It is much more important that adding $10 more to somebody welfare check, busting some corrupt CEO, or deciding who will be allowed in the public toilet or can big Kardasian a..ss be shown on TV.
I mean this little things are also of some importance but rather will be forgotten in couple of short years.

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I asked this a few pages back, but genuinely interested in hearing from folks who are voting for Trump...

What do you make of Pence?

I've read most of this thread but have undoubtedly missed some things here and there. I've yet to hear some very concrete reason why folks are voting FOR Trump/Pence. I've heard why people are not voting for Hilary, but not FOR Trump outside of that tingly feeling guns and BRIGGS keep referring to.

I am not voting for Trump but spoke with a lot of people who will.
They just fed up with current political establishment and want CHANGE.
They just want to shake the tree.
Was it the same for some folks when they were voting for Obama?
The change may not come (and most likely will not same as with Obama) but people want it badly and want to feel as they can make an impact. They are tired to be called bigots, racist, and such just for talking their mind.
Who planting the wind will harvest the storm.

Change is good. Change for the sake of change can be very good. Change at the highest level of civil office and for the most influential person in the word needs to done very deliberately, honestly, with as much scrutiny and transparency as possible. That is not the case with Trump. You don't just throw your hat into the pile because you are fed up, that's called recklessness.