Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:What's the argument now against Melo? Seriously, it's hard to keep up with all the attempts to discredit every single positive stat or improvement.

Adrenaline 3s apparently

LMAOOOOOOOO can't be serious. This is beginning to become borderline pathetic.

It started as a "heatck" post and tkf and dk7th turned it into a % troll talk.Tkf, wheres your buddy dk7th?? Maybe you should find another butt buddy.

this is simple.. dk doesn't believe in heat check 3's.... moreso if you are not good shooting threes for your career... so of course % has to come into play, otherwise how do you show if someone is a good shooter from three? cooch wants to win an argument because he says so..... that just won't fly, and when faced with reason, he resorts to this type of behavior that is not conducive to having a reasonable conversation....

edit: dk also mentioned that although no one should be taking heat check 3's, if you do so, it is somewhat more understandable if you are a good three point shooter for your career.. ie: Nash..

Okay, that is understandable, however, "Heat Check 3s" are apart of the game. And during this time that a player is taking these type of shots, they're experiencing an adrenaline rush which can immediately improve athletic performance.

While I agree that moreso high percentage 3 point shooters should take these shots more than a below average shooter, during this time stats are thrown out the window. This is what you call being on "fire" ... it's not just luck it's contributed to the hormones in your body as well. For example, the game Melo had in the olympics or a couple during the season, I have no problem at all with him taking those shots during that time. It doesn't change the complexion of the game if taken at the right time. So maybe that should be the argument.

Also, I want to state as well, the Cooch is right! Although not a huge significance, but according to mathematics and probability laws ... the more you do something the higher your percentage will raise. If you look at Reggie Millers best shooting percentage seasons it's when he's taking more shots. Actually the more you shoot the more comfortable you will be come, and the chance of making that shot increases. Melo best shooting percentage was recorded during his highest 3pt shooting attempts season.

Cooch is trying to say miller has a better % because he has taken more threes than carmelo.. I say hogwash.. miller has a better % from three because he is a better three point shooter.. plain and simple....

If you look at Reggie Millers best shooting percentage seasons it's when he's taking more shots.

there is nothing to support that consistently... for example the highest % miller has shot was .429, he had 382 attempts that year in 97-98, he had more attempts in 7 different seasons and didn't surpass that .429.. again this doesn't support what you said or cooch for that matter... in this case cooch is just WRONG, and very defiant in defending a losing position.... I would reconsider backing any of his points especially since he is speaking from emotion here.....

Actually the more you shoot the more comfortable you will be come, and the chance of making that shot increases. Melo best shooting percentage was recorded during his highest 3pt shooting attempts season

well again, there isn't evidence to support that, although I understand what you are trying to say... maybe you do become more comfortable taking that shot, but that does not always mean a better percentage.. in this case miller is better because.. he is just better....

again, you are using ONE year to try to prove your point... what about the year carmelo shot 214 three at 32% his first year and then a few years later took 164 threes and shot 35%

you are not providing enough evidence to support your position, you can't take one year , you have to average out the body of work which is why we are dealing with averages...

again it is simple.... both carmelo and miller have had a large enough sample size to examine their 3pt shooting percentage.. miller's is better because he is a better three point shoooter... simple...

IronWillGiroud wrote:

dk7th wrote:Merry Christmas everyone!

Christmas sucks so bad now, I refuse your wish of merry

this is a time for peace and good will toward men, or at least peace to men of good will. i am a man of good will.

tkf wrote:funny you say that... reggie miller shot over 6000 threes, actually 6486,so I took his first 7 seasons worth of threes as a test, 2152 attempts, miller shot 39%.... his next eleven seasons he shot over 4000 threes, guess what his career percentage was? 39% why didn't it go up?

Cooch is trying to say miller has a better % because he has taken more threes than carmelo.. I say hogwash.. miller has a better % from three because he is a better three point shooter.. plain and simple....

I simply love the way you're talking up Reggie Miller as an all-time great 3 point shooter as a way of some how "insulting" Carmelo Anthony himself. Your book is getting very old TKF. Your actions are the same with each and every post. Nothing more than an agenda.

So, Reggie Miller was the better three point shooter when compared to Carmelo Anthony. Big deal. A shooting percentage of .395 from Miller when compared to .331 out of Melo from beyond the arc. A difference of only 0.064%. Big deal.

My question is this: Was Reggie Miller a better (pure) shooter from beyond the arc when compared to Melo, or, was Miller just a better off the ball player ala being able to find wide open shots when compared to Melo who's shots are always contested?

Shooting percentages don't show the entire story TKF. You seem to put alot of focus into overall shooting percentage when comparing a players shooting ability. Which is quite funny to me TKF. You act as if stats show the entire story. For example. Steve Novak (.435%) has a much higher (career) 3PT shooting percentage from beyond the arc when compared to both Reggie Miller (.395%) and Larry Bird (.376%).

So, TKF, if Reggie's shooting percentage is to be used as a final judgement on why Reggie Miller is and/or was the "better" three point shooter when compared to Melo, wouldn't it only be fair to also state that Steve Novak is also a much better three point shooter than both Reggie Miller and Larry Bird? Or, would that not fit your agenda since Melo's not involved in regards to being on the wrong end of the stick? See what I did there? I pulled out the TKF card and looked to "box score numbers". I used a final shooting percentage as the "be all/end all" in regards to Novak being a greater three point shooter when compared to both Miller and Bird.

But, when in actual reality? Anyone with any type of 101 basketball knowledge would understand that both Reggie and Bird's shots were contested as star players while Novak is nothing more than a shooter off the bench. Not game planned for as in a Miller/Bird. His shots have been a lot more wide open when compared to the likes of Melo, Reggie and Bird; Novak's not a star. But yea, by using TKF's logic Novak is a much greater three point shooter when compared to both Bird and Reggie. I mean let's be honest here... The final box score says so. It's that simple...

About to be sarcastic but, Miller and Bird were better from beyond the arc when compared to Novak? I say hogwash... Novak has a better % from three because he is a better three point shooter when compared to Miller and Bird.. plain and simple. Now, do you finally see how foolish you sound TKF? Very.

And who really cares if Reggie Miller was a "better" 3 PT shooter when compared to Melo by a difference of only 0.064%? Because at the end of the night, it's all about points per game. It doesn't matter if it's from beyond the arc, free throw line, mid range game etc, etc. It's all about scoring the rock. Melo is a much stronger offensive talent when compared to Reggie Miller. Reggie was great from 3 (most of the time) but Carmelo Anthony is a scoring phenom; something Miller wasn't.

Melo currently has a career average of 24.8 points per game. Reggie only averaged 18.2 points per game. Miller was a better scorer when compared to Melo? I say hogwash... Melo has a much stronger scoring average (per game/per season) when compared to Miller, because he (Melo) is a better offensive force when compared to Miller... plain and simple.

So Reggie has a better 3 PT shooting percentage when compared to Melo by a difference of only 0.064%. What the hell is your point TKF? It doesn't change the fact that Melo's a much stronger offensive beast when compared to Miller, now does it? Career average of 24.8 points per game from Melo when compared to only 18.2 from Miller. 6.3 boards per game from Melo when compared to only 3.0 boards from Miller. 3.1 assists per game from Melo when compared to only 3.0 assists per game from Miller.

Reggie Miller only had 14,073 points after 10 NBA seasons. Melo's already at 16,576 and has yet to complete his 10th NBA season. If Melo continues his season average of 28.3 points per game during our final 55 games? That'll put Melo at 18,132 points after 10 NBA seasons when compared to Miller who was only at 14,073 points after 10 NBA seasons.

I'll take the much greater all around scorer in Melo Anthony who's the toughest cover in the game today (just ask Kobe) when compared to a good/great 3 PT shooter such as Reggie Miller.

But yea, speaking of Reggie Miller and Carmelo Anthony. Let's take a closer look.

Reggie Miller is currently ranked 14th in regards to all-time scoring. Keep in mind that Reggie Miller himself was only at 14,073 points after 10 NBA seasons of play. Melo Anthony on the other hand? Could be at 18,132 points after his 10th NBA season. A difference of +4,059 for Melo heading into their 11th season of play (which is next year for Melo).

What we're currently watching in regards to Melo is a scoring phenom. One of the greatest pure scorers of all-time. Melo's someone with a higher career FG percentage when compared to the likes of a Kobe Bryant. To keep it short, Melo is one of the greatest NBA scoring talents this world has ever seen.

By the time 1997 came around, Reggie Miller was heading into his 11th NBA season at the age of 32. 14,073 career points.

By the time 2013 comes around, Carmelo will be heading into his 11th NBA season at the age of 29. 18,000 career points.

But yet, Reggie Miller still ended up 14th all-time in regards to NBA scoring. Only god knows where Melo will rank once he retires, but as of right now? He's a lock for top 10 and is currently on pace to rank top 5. One of the greatest pure scorers this world has ever lived to see. His name is Carmelo Anthony. After 9 NBA seasons, Melo also had Kobe Bryant beat in regards to total points. He's that special of a scorer.

knickscity wrote:Since the topic had been derailed...is Melo a HOF-er as of right now?

I would say the only thing that keeps Melo out right now is a marbury type melt down. Not in if he stopped playing tomorrow, but the trend has him in after one more 1 year I think.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:What's the argument now against Melo? Seriously, it's hard to keep up with all the attempts to discredit every single positive stat or improvement.

Adrenaline 3s apparently

LMAOOOOOOOO can't be serious. This is beginning to become borderline pathetic.

It started as a "heatck" post and tkf and dk7th turned it into a % troll talk.Tkf, wheres your buddy dk7th?? Maybe you should find another butt buddy.

this is simple.. dk doesn't believe in heat check 3's.... moreso if you are not good shooting threes for your career... so of course % has to come into play, otherwise how do you show if someone is a good shooter from three? cooch wants to win an argument because he says so..... that just won't fly, and when faced with reason, he resorts to this type of behavior that is not conducive to having a reasonable conversation....

edit: dk also mentioned that although no one should be taking heat check 3's, if you do so, it is somewhat more understandable if you are a good three point shooter for your career.. ie: Nash..

Okay, that is understandable, however, "Heat Check 3s" are apart of the game. And during this time that a player is taking these type of shots, they're experiencing an adrenaline rush which can immediately improve athletic performance.

While I agree that moreso high percentage 3 point shooters should take these shots more than a below average shooter, during this time stats are thrown out the window. This is what you call being on "fire" ... it's not just luck it's contributed to the hormones in your body as well. For example, the game Melo had in the olympics or a couple during the season, I have no problem at all with him taking those shots during that time. It doesn't change the complexion of the game if taken at the right time. So maybe that should be the argument.

Also, I want to state as well, the Cooch is right! Although not a huge significance, but according to mathematics and probability laws ... the more you do something the higher your percentage will raise. If you look at Reggie Millers best shooting percentage seasons it's when he's taking more shots. Actually the more you shoot the more comfortable you will be come, and the chance of making that shot increases. Melo best shooting percentage was recorded during his highest 3pt shooting attempts season.

funny you say that... reggie miller shot over 6000 threes, actually 6486,so I took his first 7 seasons worth of threes as a test, 2152 attempts, miller shot 39%.... his next eleven seasons he shot over 4000 threes, guess what his career percentage was? 39% why didn't it go up?

Cooch is trying to say miller has a better % because he has taken more threes than carmelo.. I say hogwash.. miller has a better % from three because he is a better three point shooter.. plain and simple....

If you look at Reggie Millers best shooting percentage seasons it's when he's taking more shots.

there is nothing to support that consistently... for example the highest % miller has shot was .429, he had 382 attempts that year in 97-98, he had more attempts in 7 different seasons and didn't surpass that .429.. again this doesn't support what you said or cooch for that matter... in this case cooch is just WRONG, and very defiant in defending a losing position.... I would reconsider backing any of his points especially since he is speaking from emotion here.....

Actually the more you shoot the more comfortable you will be come, and the chance of making that shot increases. Melo best shooting percentage was recorded during his highest 3pt shooting attempts season

well again, there isn't evidence to support that, although I understand what you are trying to say... maybe you do become more comfortable taking that shot, but that does not always mean a better percentage.. in this case miller is better because.. he is just better....

again, you are using ONE year to try to prove your point... what about the year carmelo shot 214 three at 32% his first year and then a few years later took 164 threes and shot 35%

you are not providing enough evidence to support your position, you can't take one year , you have to average out the body of work which is why we are dealing with averages...

again it is simple.... both carmelo and miller have had a large enough sample size to examine their 3pt shooting percentage.. miller's is better because he is a better three point shoooter... simple...

tkf you told me to run. now it's my turn: RUN!

oh and merry christmas to you and yours.

looking forward to tomorrow's game... if i am allowed to watch it

haha, I will take your advice...

and happy holidays to you and yours as well dk. take care..

tomorrows game should be fun..

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:funny you say that... reggie miller shot over 6000 threes, actually 6486,so I took his first 7 seasons worth of threes as a test, 2152 attempts, miller shot 39%.... his next eleven seasons he shot over 4000 threes, guess what his career percentage was? 39% why didn't it go up?

Cooch is trying to say miller has a better % because he has taken more threes than carmelo.. I say hogwash.. miller has a better % from three because he is a better three point shooter.. plain and simple....

I simply love the way you're talking up Reggie Miller as an all-time great 3 point shooter as a way of some how "insulting" Carmelo Anthony himself. Your book is getting very old TKF. Your actions are the same with each and every post. Nothing more than an agenda.

So, Reggie Miller was the better three point shooter when compared to Carmelo Anthony. Big deal. A shooting percentage of .395 from Miller when compared to .331 out of Melo from beyond the arc. A difference of only 0.064%. Big deal.

My question is this: Was Reggie Miller a better (pure) shooter from beyond the arc when compared to Melo, or, was Miller just a better off the ball player ala being able to find wide open shots when compared to Melo who's shots are always contested?

Shooting percentages don't show the entire story TKF. You seem to put alot of focus into overall shooting percentage when comparing a players shooting ability. Which is quite funny to me TKF. You act as if stats show the entire story. For example. Steve Novak (.435%) has a much higher (career) 3PT shooting percentage from beyond the arc when compared to both Reggie Miller (.395%) and Larry Bird (.376%).

So, TKF, if Reggie's shooting percentage is to be used as a final judgement on why Reggie Miller is and/or was the "better" three point shooter when compared to Melo, wouldn't it only be fair to also state that Steve Novak is also a much better three point shooter than both Reggie Miller and Larry Bird? Or, would that not fit your agenda since Melo's not involved in regards to being on the wrong end of the stick? See what I did there? I pulled out the TKF card and looked to "box score numbers". I used a final shooting percentage as the "be all/end all" in regards to Novak being a greater three point shooter when compared to both Miller and Bird.

But, when in actual reality? Anyone with any type of 101 basketball knowledge would understand that both Reggie and Bird's shots were contested as star players while Novak is nothing more than a shooter off the bench. Not game planned for as in a Miller/Bird. His shots have been a lot more wide open when compared to the likes of Melo, Reggie and Bird; Novak's not a star. But yea, by using TKF's logic Novak is a much greater three point shooter when compared to both Bird and Reggie. I mean let's be honest here... The final box score says so. It's that simple...

About to be sarcastic but, Miller and Bird were better from beyond the arc when compared to Novak? I say hogwash... Novak has a better % from three because he is a better three point shooter when compared to Miller and Bird.. plain and simple. Now, do you finally see how foolish you sound TKF? Very.

And who really cares if Reggie Miller was a "better" 3 PT shooter when compared to Melo by a difference of only 0.064%? Because at the end of the night, it's all about points per game. It doesn't matter if it's from beyond the arc, free throw line, mid range game etc, etc. It's all about scoring the rock. Melo is a much stronger offensive talent when compared to Reggie Miller. Reggie was great from 3 (most of the time) but Carmelo Anthony is a scoring phenom; something Miller wasn't.

Melo currently has a career average of 24.8 points per game. Reggie only averaged 18.2 points per game. Miller was a better scorer when compared to Melo? I say hogwash... Melo has a much stronger scoring average (per game/per season) when compared to Miller, because he (Melo) is a better offensive force when compared to Miller... plain and simple.

So Reggie has a better 3 PT shooting percentage when compared to Melo by a difference of only 0.064%. What the hell is your point TKF? It doesn't change the fact that Melo's a much stronger offensive beast when compared to Miller, now does it? Career average of 24.8 points per game from Melo when compared to only 18.2 from Miller. 6.3 boards per game from Melo when compared to only 3.0 boards from Miller. 3.1 assists per game from Melo when compared to only 3.0 assists per game from Miller.

Reggie Miller only had 14,073 points after 10 NBA seasons. Melo's already at 16,576 and has yet to complete his 10th NBA season. If Melo continues his season average of 28.3 points per game during our final 55 games? That'll put Melo at 18,132 points after 10 NBA seasons when compared to Miller who was only at 14,073 points after 10 NBA seasons.

I'll take the much greater all around scorer in Melo Anthony who's the toughest cover in the game today (just ask Kobe) when compared to a good/great 3 PT shooter such as Reggie Miller.

really i didn't bother reading what you wrote, because as usual you tend to go off course.. we are not comparing players.. if you followed the discussion you would understand what is going on. I don't have the time or patience for people who come in, don't follow the conversation and then leave a 500 word essay addressing nothing that we are talking about... follow the conversation and then come back when you are on topic..

So, Reggie Miller was the better three point shooter when compared to Carmelo Anthony. Big deal.

thats it!!! no need to go further, this is not me talking up reggie miller, again if you followed the conversation you would understand what is going on. reggie miller is a better three point shooter.. that is it.. nothing more to talk about...again, now it is your job to find out why we are talking about reggie miller and three point shooting..

this is what we call responsible posting.. reading, informing yourself and then posting relevant material...