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Bonn1997 wrote:

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

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meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Read that twice Martin and don't forget to stop at the part that says"all members of each race" and explain how that applies to questioning one persons place of origin

Right now if you feel that Trump is the guy you want as President somehow you are dumb naive and or racist. I think those sentiments make people want to vote just a tad more. Those are the fck a that are looking down on others to be blunt about it

Hilary said "Half" are in the basket. Half.

Hillary is a disgrace to women. She accepted that her husband cheated on her for over 30 years with multiple women. Shes not to dissimilar to Bill Cosby's wife. She's an enabler shes very dishonest her colleagues dont like her(which is the big killer for me) disingenuous power hungry failing physically she has a poor work track record as a cabinet member. I cant sit here and think of many positives can any of you? Its funny how Hillary can break Donald Trumps cahones by inviting Mark Cuban but its not ok for Trump in response to invite Gennifer Flowers. Its all the same sht--shes deserves it for starting it--simple end of story.

So you're checking the history of marital fidelity of all election candidates' spouses? That's part of your voting standards?

Yeah why do I want a President who is so easily taken advantage of--how does that show leadership pride self-dignity. There is not much difference between Mrs Cosby and Clinton--both are enablers.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

Racism is judging an individual based on their race. Hate could be involved but doesn't have to be. There doesn't even have to be any feeling involved. It could just be a belief like "this group is smarter than that one." There doesn't have to be any conscious intent either. You can win a discrimination lawsuit if you provide evidence that you (as one individual) were treated differently because of your race. You don't have to show that your employer treated every member of your race differently.

Mexican is not a race. Jews and African Americans are not a races too.
This are ethnicity and cultural names.
The hate based on ethnicity and culture in Nazism.
Trump is not racist - hi is Nazy. Same goes to KKK, Black Muslims, etc.
The government system based on Nazism called Fascism.
Trump like Putin, Sisi, Endoran, Assad, etc. are Fascist type of leaders but obviously in US he cannot go too far with it.

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Its not that simple, every new people baby/imigrant/whatever is a boost to economy, in long term immigration is good for country, of course it should be controlled, but in general its a good thing.

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Briggs, its not your party affiliation of who you will vote for that speaks volumes, its your words themselves.

"I think Trump knows this but I don't think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota".

"Hundreds of billions of dollars....."

And everything in between. Basically your really about your money. The above does not speak about anything except that "Hispanic population is blowing away African Americans (why is this important?) and that all these hispanics babies are spending your money.

I have read some very good immigration policy comments during the last year, and this is really not one of them. Your words speak for you. Not the subject.

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

Exactly... imagine all this bison roaming free in the Plains and proud Chiefs leading the warriors to the battle.. sacred places and Shaman dense... so beautiful and authentic. No drunk cowboys and greedy slave-owners... Now I am dreaming...

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

arkrud wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Any time you want to start with facts and actual policy proposals by the candidate, others will start to treat you like an informed citizen who has something to offer to the debate, conversation, etc.

Otherwise it's the same old fluff and bluster that you keep on repeating.

You have added nothing with this post on immigration, health care or what either party/candidate is offering. Zero.

In fact, it's less than zero, it's hyperbole (last sentence) and probably factually wrong (whole post).

It's kind of funny how people have such a strong opinions about this 2 candidates who both do not deserve much of the interest and will most likely viewed by history as a joke unless they will be a reason for some serious global problems to make their future presidency a horror rather than a joke.
It's a shame not on them but on us all that we cannot fine people who really deserve to be a leaders. What a sad time for America...

Mostly I do not understand what you are saying.

Both candidates should garner incredibly high, honest, analytical interest as they are running for the highest office and most important individual person in the world status, so I disagree with the bolded statement above. As far as I can gather, one candidate is a complete and utter joke and a fool of a man and the other is not an ideal candidate but is worth consideration.

No disrespect to your opinion.
I do agree that Hilary is safer bet.
But I do not think we should vote for best of the worst.
We should vote for the best of the best. But I guess we do not deserve it....

That's nice and all but we have 2 candidates: Hilary and Trump. Best of the best, best of the worst... those are just empty words right now. It's between Hilary and Trump.