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gunsnewing
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12/20/2012  5:12 PM
I love when people throw it put there that a team has shooters which the Nyets actually dont have. They surely do not have a pg in the derek fisher brian shaw mold
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12/20/2012  5:16 PM
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny, Nets were in first place for like 10 seconds at the start of the month.

Regarding Deron, I don't read too much on them but do see the offense is just hard compared to the knicks who just make things look easy.

Only Bropez seems in synch and gets good looks. Joe Johnson and Deron seem to take tough shots.

I don't know about Deron being a "Coach Killer". Sloan was cooked and 3 weeks in December an everyone ready to label Avery gone and its derons fault?

He don't have to be a favorite but he is a long way from Marbles.

He's in ny and there are expectations and scrutiny. He is starting to get melo treatment. The difference is I think he had a part in ending Sloan's career.

I know its hard to believe but I have not been following the Nets that much this month (busy) and Did not realize the extend of their reacent slide.

Snooped around and found this article written by ex-Knick beat writer Dave D' who I used to enjoy. Seems like Deron is not "all that" at the moment. Chad ford writes Avery might be on the hot seat.

All this in just 3 weeks? NY media is hyper! At least the KNicks are not on the recieving end for a change!

D'Alessandro: Nets' Deron Williams resting on his laurels - and fat wallet
Published: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 11:36 PM Updated: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 10:18 AM
By Dave D'Alessandro/Star-Ledger Columnist The Star-Ledger

NEW YORK — Good morning, Deron Williams.

Thanks for coming, have a seat.

We figured it was time to have this chin-wag — even after a decent but disappointing night at the Garden — because you’re a sensitive soul who needs to be approached carefully even when we venture into something intended as a friendly critique.

This has less to do with how you play — which is bad enough, you readily admit nowadays — than how you act, which is just one evening gown shy of a diva. And by now you may have sensed that everyone around you seems unwilling to share their candid observations with you.

We heard you blame your troubles on coach Avery Johnson, and pine for the days when that wise old crank in Utah ran stuff that was better suited to your individual skills.

Trust us: The national response was raucous laughter, because you were the guy responsible for getting Jerry Sloan to decide after 27 years that he’d rather live with his 30 tractors in McLeansboro, Ill., than put up with your insubordination.

Now you say Sloan was best for your career, not to mention the $100 million contract that validates it? That’s rich.

Sure, revisionist history was worth a shot, but our only takeaway was more sympathy for Avery. He’s done what he had to do with this offense: Establish Brook Lopez, get Joe Johnson acclimated quickly, and whatever sugar remains goes to Deron and Gerald Wallace.

Whether the point guard likes it or not is irrelevant. You make it work. You lead.
And when you miss game-winning shots against the Bulls and Knicks, with no defender in the same ZIP code, you blame yourself — period.

Of course, the lack of accountability is also management’s fault. We recall those stories about you finishing practice and heading up to Billy King’s office to plop yourself on the couch — where even the new boss chuckled along when you called yourself “the assistant GM.” Haw!

But if you understand the GM-player relationship, you know this is a problem. Because with the exception of one guy in San Antonio, no player should have this kind of entitlement. Not even LeBron James, who once prided himself on his ability to hold a franchise hostage, would presume to have this kind of influence.

Everyone knows the power you brandish in Brooklyn, and they have no choice but to enable it. But now they wonder whether you’ll understand that it comes with responsibility.

Consider that locker room you whined about last season. You were the captain. What did you do about it, other than complain?

Funny thing: Back then, whenever someone said “best PG,” you automatically thought Chris Paul and D-Will — zero debate. Now, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving and Rajon Rondo reside at the top of that list, and Deron Williams barely cracks the top 10.

“You could easily argue that Raymond Felton is having a better year than Deron,” a former D-3 point guard named Jeff Van Gundy said before this game last night.

Then the ESPN analyst said this: “I’m trying to figure out how this guy, who was among the very best point guards, is shooting the ball so poorly — and it’s not just this year.

“I mean, does he work at it? For all we’ve heard lately from him by way of explanations, eventually shouldn’t you look in the mirror?”

Van Gundy mentioned that he asked you whether being on poor teams affected how you work, and you replied, “No.” You know where that was going: JVG’s favorite work-ethic cautionary tale is about Derek Harper arriving in New York in ’94, and needing Pat Riley to “coach the Dallas out of him.”

See, Harper thought he worked hard, and everyone was thrilled to have him, but he had picked up a laundry list of bad habits with the then-horrid Mavs. He had to be told the stakes had changed, and he had to change with them. It took a while, but ultimately Harp led the Knicks to the NBA Finals.

Anyway, you told Van Gundy that no such lag exists with you — that the 25-42 on your Nets record does not affect your prep in any way. And he believed you.

Then we noticed that your warm-up tonight consisted of about 60 shots in 10 minutes. Sure, it’s the second night of a back-to-back. But 60 shots for a guy shooting .389 and .292 from 3? A guy who has shot .396 since he left Utah?

For the leader of a team that has gone 2-8 this month, including this 100-86 loss at the Garden, with the only victories coming against the Pistons and Raptors?
Hope it was a constructive shootaround, young fella.

For a minute there, you almost got away with it. You had a good first half, and five great minutes to start the third — rhythm shots, ball movement, different speeds — and your team was a plus-8, leading 61-57.

Then, out of a timeout, you forgot to sink in pick-and-roll coverage, which resulted in one of Tyson Chandler’s six dunks; and shot an air ball that made everything go sideways.

Ultimately, it turned into a typical night — for the Nets and their captain. Maybe it changes, maybe it doesn’t. We’re here today to suggest that it’s entirely up to you. Hopefully you agree. Now please get off our couch.

Dave D'Alessandro: ddalessandro@starledger.com

I think Chad has SVG in the rumor mill except there might always be the thought Dwight finds his way East. He could just say he is not signing and force a trade for Bropez. Lakes get a player in return at the very least. Im not saying anything but a way it could happen.

I think what Deron is going thru is what Melo and Lebrn had to also which is accept accountability for being the franchise face.

When you get $100 mil, you gotta step up.

They had a great November and we only talking about 20 days.

Reminds me of MDA trying to get his rotation right. Its a bad dream.

Great article. I like D'Alessandro a lot. Thanks for posting it. Is writing for NJO still?
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gunsnewing
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12/20/2012  5:47 PM
He writes for the star ledger. I believe they own nj.com
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12/20/2012  7:29 PM
mini has to be the only team in the league that starts 5 white guys..lol
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12/20/2012  7:35 PM
Yea i was watching their game the other night, pretty funny, what's funnier is that they're not that bad
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12/20/2012  8:50 PM
Wow Reggie Miller with the best line of his life. lol. "Pekovic must be purifying himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka "
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12/20/2012  8:55 PM
really impressed by the way Adelman has the Wolves playing. if it weren't for Orlando misteriously being not entirely **** they would be this years' surprise team.
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12/20/2012  8:56 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:Yea i was watching their game the other night, pretty funny, what's funnier is that they're not that bad

this west coast trip will not be easy

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12/20/2012  9:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2012  9:17 PM
Just seen the Thunder game is on. Down 11 here in the 4th. But yea, hopefully I see a Thunder loss. I want the Knicks to take over the best record in the NBA sooner rather than later; call me greedy.
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12/20/2012  9:20 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Just seen the Thunder game is on. Down 11 here in the 4th. But yea, hopefully I see a Thunder loss. I want the Knicks to take over the best record in the NBA sooner rather than later; call me greedy.

Same here. :D I generaly like OKC as a team, but due to the "competition" I want them to lose.

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12/20/2012  9:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2012  9:26 PM
Daaaamn! J.J. Barea is killing OKC :D
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12/20/2012  9:42 PM
westbrook can score however he seems to take way too many shots. he shoots at a low clip on top of it.
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12/20/2012  9:50 PM
sidsanders wrote:westbrook can score however he seems to take way too many shots. he shoots at a low clip on top of it.
He had 9 turnovers when I turned it off in the fourth quarter.
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12/20/2012  10:02 PM
Did the lose to the twolves because Kmart couldn't play??? 7 points from your bench is pathetic.


Maybe when Amare comes back we will hit another level of play.

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12/21/2012  12:56 AM
The nuggets went 0-22 tonight? How tkf? Iask not to dig but because u watch them.
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12/21/2012  11:14 AM
OGkush121 wrote:really impressed by the way Adelman has the Wolves playing. if it weren't for Orlando misteriously being not entirely **** they would be this years' surprise team.

one of my favorite coaches in the league. Doesn't have a "system"...just coaches and plays with what he has.

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12/21/2012  11:36 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
OGkush121 wrote:really impressed by the way Adelman has the Wolves playing. if it weren't for Orlando misteriously being not entirely **** they would be this years' surprise team.

one of my favorite coaches in the league. Doesn't have a "system"...just coaches and plays with what he has.

Could a team tire a coach before hiring one?

Since He never won a "Chip", then "Good riddence"!!!!

IMagine his ego would never accepted Melo the way Woodson did.

Just kidding man, the dude is solid!

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12/21/2012  3:51 PM
tHE THING ABOUT strict systems is that when it is executed properly you can beat the world

it's just two different styles of coaching, one guy goes alright let's just see what we can do some way the other guy goes alright i need this this this type of that, in this combination, and then go

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12/21/2012  5:00 PM
The Lakers are going to make some changes in the starting lineup. The Lakers are going to start 25-year old Jodie Meeks at shooting guard and they are moving 34-year old SG Kobe Bryant to small forward. Meeks has played in 24 games (0 starts) for the Lakers so far this year and he is averaging 18.1 minutes, 8.4 points, 2.0 rebounds and 0.9 assists per game. Kobe Bryant will probably be able to adjust to his new role. He has played in 26 games (all starts) so far this year for the Lakers and he is averaging 38.4 minutes, 29.5 points, 5.2 rebounds, 5.0 assists and 1.6 steals per game. 33-year old Metta World Peace will come off the bench, where he will be playing both small and power forward. World Peace has played in 26 games (25 starts) for the Lakers so far this year and he is averaging 35.1 minutes, 13.5 points, 5.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists and 1.8 steals per game. It will be interesting to see how this trio responds to Mike D’Antoni’s shuffling of the lineup.

Artest to the bench

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12/21/2012  7:29 PM
I don't see why Artest has not made the move to PF anyway. It seems he could be a Shawn Marion type.
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