BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Read that twice Martin and don't forget to stop at the part that says"all members of each race" and explain how that applies to questioning one persons place of origin

Right now if you feel that Trump is the guy you want as President somehow you are dumb naive and or racist. I think those sentiments make people want to vote just a tad more. Those are the fck a that are looking down on others to be blunt about it

I look at it as being substantially uninformed about who you are backing. You have proven over and over and over that you have barely scratched the surface on either candidate and really don't understand the depths of what a comical, ugly, race-baiting bigot, liar Trump is.

BRIGGS: name 1 thing in the history of Trump that you would tout as his having done something for his country or that could be touted as doing some sort of civic duty. Or perhaps something that would make you otherwise think that he would be both good at the job of the Presidency and good for the American people as a whole. A man who is gifted with a gold spoon of $40M and can't beat the S&P over his lifetime and rests his cap on being a businessman is flat our falling on his orange face in the middle of a puddle of awful.

If you'd like to split precious thin hairs on a technical definition of racism, one in which you had abjectly gotten wrong by any measure with your previous definition of including complete hatred, have at it.

We are not talking about someone who is running for major of a small town. This is the leader of our country, the most powerful position in the ENTIRE world, and you'd like to say that, well, perhaps he isn't the full dictionary definition racist while rhetorically admitting that he is racist, and well I'll vote for him anyway because .... because why? He talks a good game? He blusters and bullies? He cozies up to Putin? He is the least transparent candidate EVER? He is the least informed ever? Which one?

You have been calling out the fact that Hilary "Can't be found", opening post, while utterly ignoring or even looking into what she is doing, what policies she has outlined, etc.

BTW, Trump has not made a press conference in 2 months, except that farce of a hotel infomercial. Nor has he allowed reporters on his plane in a long time. Your outrage? Where is your outrage?

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

Racism is judging an individual based on their race. Hate could be involved but doesn't have to be. There doesn't even have to be any feeling involved. It could just be a belief like "this group is smarter than that one." There doesn't have to be any conscious intent either. You can win a discrimination lawsuit if you provide evidence that you (as one individual) were treated differently because of your race. You don't have to show that your employer treated every member of your race differently.

+1000

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Read that twice Martin and don't forget to stop at the part that says"all members of each race" and explain how that applies to questioning one persons place of origin

Right now if you feel that Trump is the guy you want as President somehow you are dumb naive and or racist. I think those sentiments make people want to vote just a tad more. Those are the fck a that are looking down on others to be blunt about it

Hilary said "Half" are in the basket. Half.

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Read that twice Martin and don't forget to stop at the part that says"all members of each race" and explain how that applies to questioning one persons place of origin

Right now if you feel that Trump is the guy you want as President somehow you are dumb naive and or racist. I think those sentiments make people want to vote just a tad more. Those are the fck a that are looking down on others to be blunt about it

Hilary said "Half" are in the basket. Half.

Hillary is a disgrace to women. She accepted that her husband cheated on her for over 30 years with multiple women. Shes not to dissimilar to Bill Cosby's wife. She's an enabler shes very dishonest her colleagues dont like her(which is the big killer for me) disingenuous power hungry failing physically she has a poor work track record as a cabinet member. I cant sit here and think of many positives can any of you? Its funny how Hillary can break Donald Trumps cahones by inviting Mark Cuban but its not ok for Trump in response to invite Gennifer Flowers. Its all the same sht--shes deserves it for starting it--simple end of story.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Read that twice Martin and don't forget to stop at the part that says"all members of each race" and explain how that applies to questioning one persons place of origin

Right now if you feel that Trump is the guy you want as President somehow you are dumb naive and or racist. I think those sentiments make people want to vote just a tad more. Those are the fck a that are looking down on others to be blunt about it

Hilary said "Half" are in the basket. Half.

Hillary is a disgrace to women. She accepted that her husband cheated on her for over 30 years with multiple women. Shes not to dissimilar to Bill Cosby's wife. She's an enabler shes very dishonest her colleagues dont like her(which is the big killer for me) disingenuous power hungry failing physically she has a poor work track record as a cabinet member. I cant sit here and think of many positives can any of you? Its funny how Hillary can break Donald Trumps cahones by inviting Mark Cuban but its not ok for Trump in response to invite Gennifer Flowers. Its all the same sht--shes deserves it for starting it--simple end of story.

So you're checking the history of marital fidelity of all election candidates' spouses? That's part of your voting standards?

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meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

You are racist if you keep questioning it after the document that is accepted by the entire civilized world as proof of birth has been furnished and directly disputes your BS claim.

believe racism is complete hatred and bias of another race how does questioning one individuals birth place racist ? Really it sounds like you are racist the way you answer if that is the standard you are setting

BRIGGS, you don't need to show utter contempt to be a racist. KKK rallies combined with contempt and hate are not the defining line we set to invoke racism

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Read that twice Martin and don't forget to stop at the part that says"all members of each race" and explain how that applies to questioning one persons place of origin

Right now if you feel that Trump is the guy you want as President somehow you are dumb naive and or racist. I think those sentiments make people want to vote just a tad more. Those are the fck a that are looking down on others to be blunt about it

Hilary said "Half" are in the basket. Half.

Hillary is a disgrace to women. She accepted that her husband cheated on her for over 30 years with multiple women. Shes not to dissimilar to Bill Cosby's wife. She's an enabler shes very dishonest her colleagues dont like her(which is the big killer for me) disingenuous power hungry failing physically she has a poor work track record as a cabinet member. I cant sit here and think of many positives can any of you? Its funny how Hillary can break Donald Trumps cahones by inviting Mark Cuban but its not ok for Trump in response to invite Gennifer Flowers. Its all the same sht--shes deserves it for starting it--simple end of story.

So you're checking the history of marital fidelity of all election candidates' spouses? That's part of your voting standards?

Yeah why do I want a President who is so easily taken advantage of--how does that show leadership pride self-dignity. There is not much difference between Mrs Cosby and Clinton--both are enablers.