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Nalod
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12/19/2012  9:40 AM
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Nalod wrote:Its hard to watch the Nets. I hate the Iso offense they use about 50% of the time.

So does Deron and Avery will be gone soon

Avery is a good coach and a good man. Not sure him and his players are good fit together.

We have seen that movie before haven't we?

IT takes time for teams to gel. Rumors are they would trade Brooks for Illysova. Humphries is not the answer. At least he only has a two year contract. Marshon is starter material and can light it up but his defense is awful according to Avery.

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12/19/2012  11:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  11:55 AM
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its hard to watch the Nets. I hate the Iso offense they use about 50% of the time.

So does Deron and Avery will be gone soon

Avery is a good coach and a good man. Not sure him and his players are good fit together.

We have seen that movie before haven't we?

IT takes time for teams to gel. Rumors are they would trade Brooks for Illysova. Humphries is not the answer. At least he only has a two year contract. Marshon is starter material and can light it up but his defense is awful according to Avery.

deron is a good player, but becoming a coach killer it seems.. I do think the nets need to play at a faster pace, they have athletes and a PG that can play uptempo, not some grind it out offense.... they need to get easier baskets, they like the knicks work too hard to get hoops it seems..

But keeping it real, it wasn't avery's fault deron's wrist was bothering him and he was shooting bricks to start the season, deron can't blame his somewhat inconsistent start on anyone else...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/19/2012  12:08 PM
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its hard to watch the Nets. I hate the Iso offense they use about 50% of the time.

So does Deron and Avery will be gone soon

Avery is a good coach and a good man. Not sure him and his players are good fit together.

We have seen that movie before haven't we?

IT takes time for teams to gel. Rumors are they would trade Brooks for Illysova. Humphries is not the answer. At least he only has a two year contract. Marshon is starter material and can light it up but his defense is awful according to Avery.

deron is a good player, but becoming a coach killer it seems.. I do think the nets need to play at a faster pace, they have athletes and a PG that can play uptempo, not some grind it out offense.... they need to get easier baskets, they like the knicks work too hard to get hoops it seems..

But keeping it real, it wasn't avery's fault deron's wrist was bothering him and he was shooting bricks to start the season, deron can't blame his somewhat inconsistent start on anyone else...

I can see both sides...I do remember Devin Harris/Kidd having problems with Avery. I don't think Avery is a bad coach as he had very good regular season success with the Mavs but I think his style of coaching doesn't always suit personnel.

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12/19/2012  12:22 PM
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its hard to watch the Nets. I hate the Iso offense they use about 50% of the time.

So does Deron and Avery will be gone soon

Avery is a good coach and a good man. Not sure him and his players are good fit together.

We have seen that movie before haven't we?

IT takes time for teams to gel. Rumors are they would trade Brooks for Illysova. Humphries is not the answer. At least he only has a two year contract. Marshon is starter material and can light it up but his defense is awful according to Avery.

deron is a good player, but becoming a coach killer it seems.. I do think the nets need to play at a faster pace, they have athletes and a PG that can play uptempo, not some grind it out offense.... they need to get easier baskets, they like the knicks work too hard to get hoops it seems..

But keeping it real, it wasn't avery's fault deron's wrist was bothering him and he was shooting bricks to start the season, deron can't blame his somewhat inconsistent start on anyone else...

Marbury 2.0 indeed.

Can't use those injuries as excuses. Should've sat out the Olympics if that were the case.

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12/19/2012  12:45 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its hard to watch the Nets. I hate the Iso offense they use about 50% of the time.

So does Deron and Avery will be gone soon

Avery is a good coach and a good man. Not sure him and his players are good fit together.

We have seen that movie before haven't we?

IT takes time for teams to gel. Rumors are they would trade Brooks for Illysova. Humphries is not the answer. At least he only has a two year contract. Marshon is starter material and can light it up but his defense is awful according to Avery.

deron is a good player, but becoming a coach killer it seems.. I do think the nets need to play at a faster pace, they have athletes and a PG that can play uptempo, not some grind it out offense.... they need to get easier baskets, they like the knicks work too hard to get hoops it seems..

But keeping it real, it wasn't avery's fault deron's wrist was bothering him and he was shooting bricks to start the season, deron can't blame his somewhat inconsistent start on anyone else...

Marbury 2.0 indeed.

Can't use those injuries as excuses. Should've sat out the Olympics if that were the case.

I don't think he is marbury 2.0, but he certainly seems to be hard to please at times..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/19/2012  12:47 PM
tkf wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its hard to watch the Nets. I hate the Iso offense they use about 50% of the time.

So does Deron and Avery will be gone soon

Avery is a good coach and a good man. Not sure him and his players are good fit together.

We have seen that movie before haven't we?

IT takes time for teams to gel. Rumors are they would trade Brooks for Illysova. Humphries is not the answer. At least he only has a two year contract. Marshon is starter material and can light it up but his defense is awful according to Avery.

deron is a good player, but becoming a coach killer it seems.. I do think the nets need to play at a faster pace, they have athletes and a PG that can play uptempo, not some grind it out offense.... they need to get easier baskets, they like the knicks work too hard to get hoops it seems..

But keeping it real, it wasn't avery's fault deron's wrist was bothering him and he was shooting bricks to start the season, deron can't blame his somewhat inconsistent start on anyone else...

Marbury 2.0 indeed.

Can't use those injuries as excuses. Should've sat out the Olympics if that were the case.

I don't think he is marbury 2.0, but he certainly seems to be hard to please at times..

He doesn't do the Show & Tell and extroverted stuff Stephon does, but he seems to be a royal pain in the ass with coaches, that's for sure.

Player wise, he is Marbury 2.0. Good to great numbers, doesn't make anyone around him better.

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12/19/2012  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  2:46 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:He doesn't do the Show & Tell and extroverted stuff Stephon does...

Oh, come on - what grown ass man hasn't swallowed a chunk of Vaseline on a live Internet webcast?

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12/19/2012  6:49 PM
Its funny that Avery got Coach of Month for November. The NBA is really pushing the Brooklyn Nets. Featuring them on the Association. I can't believe the Knicks are playing them for a third time already and they haven't even played the Celtics.
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12/19/2012  6:51 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny that Avery got Coach of Month for November. The NBA is really pushing the Brooklyn Nets. Featuring them on the Association. I can't believe the Knicks are playing them for a third time already and they haven't even played the Celtics.
The nets are the darling team for some reason. They will be a playoff team but the people who said they would be in the top 3 are foolish. Besides lopez they have been lucky injury wise but at some point that will change
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12/19/2012  10:57 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny that Avery got Coach of Month for November. The NBA is really pushing the Brooklyn Nets. Featuring them on the Association. I can't believe the Knicks are playing them for a third time already and they haven't even played the Celtics.
The nets are the darling team for some reason. They will be a playoff team but the people who said they would be in the top 3 are foolish. Besides lopez they have been lucky injury wise but at some point that will change

I think stern has manipulated things so that LA and NY have two of the most popular teams. Just an opinion but I find stern to be very planful in what he does.

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12/19/2012  11:21 PM
YOu guys are funny, Nets were in first place for like 10 seconds at the start of the month.

Regarding Deron, I don't read too much on them but do see the offense is just hard compared to the knicks who just make things look easy.

Only Bropez seems in synch and gets good looks. Joe Johnson and Deron seem to take tough shots.

I don't know about Deron being a "Coach Killer". Sloan was cooked and 3 weeks in December an everyone ready to label Avery gone and its derons fault?

He don't have to be a favorite but he is a long way from Marbles.

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12/19/2012  11:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  11:33 PM
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny, Nets were in first place for like 10 seconds at the start of the month.

Regarding Deron, I don't read too much on them but do see the offense is just hard compared to the knicks who just make things look easy.

Only Bropez seems in synch and gets good looks. Joe Johnson and Deron seem to take tough shots.

I don't know about Deron being a "Coach Killer". Sloan was cooked and 3 weeks in December an everyone ready to label Avery gone and its derons fault?

He don't have to be a favorite but he is a long way from Marbles.

He's in ny and there are expectations and scrutiny. He is starting to get melo treatment. The difference is I think he had a part in ending Sloan's career.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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12/20/2012  7:31 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny, Nets were in first place for like 10 seconds at the start of the month.

Regarding Deron, I don't read too much on them but do see the offense is just hard compared to the knicks who just make things look easy.

Only Bropez seems in synch and gets good looks. Joe Johnson and Deron seem to take tough shots.

I don't know about Deron being a "Coach Killer". Sloan was cooked and 3 weeks in December an everyone ready to label Avery gone and its derons fault?

He don't have to be a favorite but he is a long way from Marbles.

He's in ny and there are expectations and scrutiny. He is starting to get melo treatment. The difference is I think he had a part in ending Sloan's career.

If you don't go out on top there is always a situation of disappointment and most likely involves a player.

All rivalries have to have villains, and perhaps he is yours. I get it.

As you know, I usually back the coach. JVG, Chaney, Lenny, Larry, MDA, and perhaps to a fault. Not isiah. I like Avery but that offense just seems to struggle. I hope he can figure it out. If not they will bring in someone that will.

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12/20/2012  9:26 AM
Another very good game from the Rockets last night against a hurt Sixers team. Batman and Robin had a combined 51 pts and 13 assists. They would have had more assists if Parsons, Asik, Morris, and TD did not miss open shots.

Gotta give it to Harden, he recognizes that he needs Lin to be aggressive and he is coaxing Lin to stay aggressive.

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12/20/2012  9:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2012  9:36 AM
OKC is on a 12-game win streak. Durant and friends are definitely on a mission after "tasting it" last season.

And the LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS are on an 11-game win streak. Yes, you read that right.

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12/20/2012  10:11 AM
K22 wrote:OKC is on a 12-game win streak. Durant and friends are definitely on a mission after "tasting it" last season.

And the LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS are on an 11-game win streak. Yes, you read that right.

The impressive part is that they are both in the west.

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12/20/2012  1:51 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny, Nets were in first place for like 10 seconds at the start of the month.

Regarding Deron, I don't read too much on them but do see the offense is just hard compared to the knicks who just make things look easy.

Only Bropez seems in synch and gets good looks. Joe Johnson and Deron seem to take tough shots.

I don't know about Deron being a "Coach Killer". Sloan was cooked and 3 weeks in December an everyone ready to label Avery gone and its derons fault?

He don't have to be a favorite but he is a long way from Marbles.

He's in ny and there are expectations and scrutiny. He is starting to get melo treatment. The difference is I think he had a part in ending Sloan's career.

I know its hard to believe but I have not been following the Nets that much this month (busy) and Did not realize the extend of their reacent slide.

Snooped around and found this article written by ex-Knick beat writer Dave D' who I used to enjoy. Seems like Deron is not "all that" at the moment. Chad ford writes Avery might be on the hot seat.

All this in just 3 weeks? NY media is hyper! At least the KNicks are not on the recieving end for a change!

D'Alessandro: Nets' Deron Williams resting on his laurels - and fat wallet
Published: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 11:36 PM Updated: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 10:18 AM
By Dave D'Alessandro/Star-Ledger Columnist The Star-Ledger

NEW YORK — Good morning, Deron Williams.

Thanks for coming, have a seat.

We figured it was time to have this chin-wag — even after a decent but disappointing night at the Garden — because you’re a sensitive soul who needs to be approached carefully even when we venture into something intended as a friendly critique.

This has less to do with how you play — which is bad enough, you readily admit nowadays — than how you act, which is just one evening gown shy of a diva. And by now you may have sensed that everyone around you seems unwilling to share their candid observations with you.

We heard you blame your troubles on coach Avery Johnson, and pine for the days when that wise old crank in Utah ran stuff that was better suited to your individual skills.

Trust us: The national response was raucous laughter, because you were the guy responsible for getting Jerry Sloan to decide after 27 years that he’d rather live with his 30 tractors in McLeansboro, Ill., than put up with your insubordination.

Now you say Sloan was best for your career, not to mention the $100 million contract that validates it? That’s rich.

Sure, revisionist history was worth a shot, but our only takeaway was more sympathy for Avery. He’s done what he had to do with this offense: Establish Brook Lopez, get Joe Johnson acclimated quickly, and whatever sugar remains goes to Deron and Gerald Wallace.

Whether the point guard likes it or not is irrelevant. You make it work. You lead.
And when you miss game-winning shots against the Bulls and Knicks, with no defender in the same ZIP code, you blame yourself — period.

Of course, the lack of accountability is also management’s fault. We recall those stories about you finishing practice and heading up to Billy King’s office to plop yourself on the couch — where even the new boss chuckled along when you called yourself “the assistant GM.” Haw!

But if you understand the GM-player relationship, you know this is a problem. Because with the exception of one guy in San Antonio, no player should have this kind of entitlement. Not even LeBron James, who once prided himself on his ability to hold a franchise hostage, would presume to have this kind of influence.

Everyone knows the power you brandish in Brooklyn, and they have no choice but to enable it. But now they wonder whether you’ll understand that it comes with responsibility.

Consider that locker room you whined about last season. You were the captain. What did you do about it, other than complain?

Funny thing: Back then, whenever someone said “best PG,” you automatically thought Chris Paul and D-Will — zero debate. Now, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving and Rajon Rondo reside at the top of that list, and Deron Williams barely cracks the top 10.

“You could easily argue that Raymond Felton is having a better year than Deron,” a former D-3 point guard named Jeff Van Gundy said before this game last night.

Then the ESPN analyst said this: “I’m trying to figure out how this guy, who was among the very best point guards, is shooting the ball so poorly — and it’s not just this year.

“I mean, does he work at it? For all we’ve heard lately from him by way of explanations, eventually shouldn’t you look in the mirror?”

Van Gundy mentioned that he asked you whether being on poor teams affected how you work, and you replied, “No.” You know where that was going: JVG’s favorite work-ethic cautionary tale is about Derek Harper arriving in New York in ’94, and needing Pat Riley to “coach the Dallas out of him.”

See, Harper thought he worked hard, and everyone was thrilled to have him, but he had picked up a laundry list of bad habits with the then-horrid Mavs. He had to be told the stakes had changed, and he had to change with them. It took a while, but ultimately Harp led the Knicks to the NBA Finals.

Anyway, you told Van Gundy that no such lag exists with you — that the 25-42 on your Nets record does not affect your prep in any way. And he believed you.

Then we noticed that your warm-up tonight consisted of about 60 shots in 10 minutes. Sure, it’s the second night of a back-to-back. But 60 shots for a guy shooting .389 and .292 from 3? A guy who has shot .396 since he left Utah?

For the leader of a team that has gone 2-8 this month, including this 100-86 loss at the Garden, with the only victories coming against the Pistons and Raptors?
Hope it was a constructive shootaround, young fella.

For a minute there, you almost got away with it. You had a good first half, and five great minutes to start the third — rhythm shots, ball movement, different speeds — and your team was a plus-8, leading 61-57.

Then, out of a timeout, you forgot to sink in pick-and-roll coverage, which resulted in one of Tyson Chandler’s six dunks; and shot an air ball that made everything go sideways.

Ultimately, it turned into a typical night — for the Nets and their captain. Maybe it changes, maybe it doesn’t. We’re here today to suggest that it’s entirely up to you. Hopefully you agree. Now please get off our couch.

Dave D'Alessandro: ddalessandro@starledger.com

I think Chad has SVG in the rumor mill except there might always be the thought Dwight finds his way East. He could just say he is not signing and force a trade for Bropez. Lakes get a player in return at the very least. Im not saying anything but a way it could happen.

I think what Deron is going thru is what Melo and Lebrn had to also which is accept accountability for being the franchise face.

When you get $100 mil, you gotta step up.

They had a great November and we only talking about 20 days.

Reminds me of MDA trying to get his rotation right. Its a bad dream.

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12/20/2012  1:53 PM
I can see SVG. JVG would not like coaching Deron. Phil will not coach a team that has no shot at a ring. Sloan hates Deron. Yep SVG it is!
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12/20/2012  2:06 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I can see SVG. JVG would not like coaching Deron. Phil will not coach a team that has no shot at a ring. Sloan hates Deron. Yep SVG it is!

I bet Phil wishes he could take his "clumsy" remarks back.

If Phil thinks NY is clumsy, BK must be downright dyslexic.

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12/20/2012  4:59 PM

I Think Phil is done, but Im wondering what he thinks of their roster. They have shooters, deep bench, not a bad team.

JVG I can imagine don't want any part of being in NY.

ANy new up and comers? Any mad russians out there to coach?

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