VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:It's a weird extrapolation to me that 2 50 season wins means something has ceiling'ed out when both of those teams were completely different rosters and styles of play, give or take.

This is year 1 of this roster.

Those 2 things seem to fit in different spaces to me or whatnot.

A full season is a pretty long time. We don't have a bunch of 29 yr old guys not 23 year old guys. Where is the evidence that the ceiling has been getting raised here. If anything we've somehow been playing worse as the season has gone on. Injuries are a part of that, but something isn't moving in the right direction.

I'm not convinced the Coach is holding us back. I think it's a roster that doesn't quite work too. But my only point is there's evidence of good coaches getting replaced and the same rosters performing better right in front of us this year. Its going to come down to some hard decisions one way or the other.

OK. That's a general statement without much context. You can pretty much say that every year as an excuse to move on from something. Also has nothing to do with Knicks situation.

Identify the problem. Fix the problem.

1. Knicks didn't have much of a bench this year. Deuce, Mitch, Cam are the main guys off bench and 2 of them are easy injury candidates. Precious so bad at end of year he doesn't get minutes. Could have played rookies or Gleague guys.

2. Facilitators, dribble penetration guys. Brunson, Cam are scores when at their best. Josh got maximized this year but has a deep 3point flaw that's easily exposed cause of the No Dribblers thing. OG Mikal Deuce suck at both. Kolek only real potential solution? Do the Knicks really have 1 guy on their roster that can just beat the pants off of a good defender? Just relentlessly score on him or make an assist off of a downhill dribble outside of straight line Josh?

3. Interior defense. Mitch was hurt, Huk too. KAT ain't solving this and Precious/Sims did not fit the small ball C. Don't know how to solve this other than Mitch, Huk health.

What else?

DLeethal wrote:Knicks have enough ball handling and passing talent to get the damn ball up the court in a method that is not Brunson crawling up against an All NBA defensive forward. This is just Thibs stuff. We couldn't get the ball up when we had Brunson/Randle/Quickley/RJ either.

It's not about just being able to cross the midcourt line with the ball. It's about getting up quickly and running the offense. Maybe IQ is the exception but I dont think you have it close on RJ, Randle or Mikal.

All 3 way too flawed.

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ccch wrote:

Clean wrote:

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Looks like he doesn't do much during the game but patrols the side line with a constant grimmish on his face...never really see much conversation between him and the guys on the floor.

What would you like for him to talk to them about?
How to make shots?

JB acted like he lost his leg. Then a minute later he said he was fine?

Thibs players, including JB, have always said how tirelessly Thibs preps for games and is meticulous about game plan and plays in practice.
Anyone expecting pros to be guided around by their coach during a game must realize this ain’t the YMCA.

Our top players did not make shots. We could not get stops late in the game.
Our bench was non existent.
Maybe you blame Thibs for not trying others like Precious or Shamet but I would rather lose with my best.

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ccch wrote:

Clean wrote:

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https://www.twitter.com/AnsonW_1/status/1917406770898645292

Looks like he doesn't do much during the game but patrols the side line with a constant grimmish on his face...never really see much conversation between him and the guys on the floor.

What would you like for him to talk to them about?
How to make shots?

JB acted like he lost his leg. Then a minute later he said he was fine?

Thibs players, including JB, have always said how tirelessly Thibs preps for games and is meticulous about game plan and plays in practice.
Anyone expecting pros to be guided around by their coach during a game must realize this ain’t the YMCA.

Our top players did not make shots. We could not get stops late in the game.
Our bench was non existent.
Maybe you blame Thibs for not trying others like Precious or Shamet but I would rather lose with my best.

Wouldnt characterize it as "blame", we dont know if it would have made a difference. But there is something to be said about throwing different looks at opposing defenses. Be less predictable.

Shamet broke a land speed record for getting in Thibs doghouse in game 1. Also sat Cam im the 2nd half of the previous game, after 3 quick fouls in the 1st quarter. He's got some bench players on a very short leash. Not giving them a proper chance to contribute, putting more work on the starters.

Maybe the mittens are part of the problem?

Is it cold in the arenas? Maybe they just need to turn the heat up?

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ccch wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/AnsonW_1/status/1917406770898645292

Looks like he doesn't do much during the game but patrols the side line with a constant grimmish on his face...never really see much conversation between him and the guys on the floor.

What would you like for him to talk to them about?
How to make shots?

JB acted like he lost his leg. Then a minute later he said he was fine?

Thibs players, including JB, have always said how tirelessly Thibs preps for games and is meticulous about game plan and plays in practice.
Anyone expecting pros to be guided around by their coach during a game must realize this ain’t the YMCA.

Our top players did not make shots. We could not get stops late in the game.
Our bench was non existent.
Maybe you blame Thibs for not trying others like Precious or Shamet but I would rather lose with my best.

Wouldnt characterize it as "blame", we dont know if it would have made a difference. But there is something to be said about throwing different looks at opposing defenses. Be less predictable.

Shamet broke a land speed record for getting in Thibs doghouse in game 1. Also sat Cam im the 2nd half of the previous game, after 3 quick fouls in the 1st quarter. He's got some bench players on a very short leash. Not giving them a proper chance to contribute, putting more work on the starters.

yeah here is that something "why did he play inferior players who didnt even have the hot hand? That's stupid"

Stupid is pulling a player after one bad game, for the rest of the series.

Well….Thats a tough environment to play in if one miss shot causes you to sit all series (anybody seen Shammett?)

Throwing different looks at the defense is what a lot of good coaches do and have done. Thibs is a good coach but that’s not him.

Also how can we have a star PG who can get in the paint and a star center who can shoot logo 3s, and these two guys don’t run pick and pop all game? Just like they hunt down JB in pick and rolls, JB or Towns can cause the same havoc on offense. Force Harris to guard JB and force the rookie to guard Towns.

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ccch wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/AnsonW_1/status/1917406770898645292

Looks like he doesn't do much during the game but patrols the side line with a constant grimmish on his face...never really see much conversation between him and the guys on the floor.

What would you like for him to talk to them about?
How to make shots?

JB acted like he lost his leg. Then a minute later he said he was fine?

Thibs players, including JB, have always said how tirelessly Thibs preps for games and is meticulous about game plan and plays in practice.
Anyone expecting pros to be guided around by their coach during a game must realize this ain’t the YMCA.

Our top players did not make shots. We could not get stops late in the game.
Our bench was non existent.
Maybe you blame Thibs for not trying others like Precious or Shamet but I would rather lose with my best.

Wouldnt characterize it as "blame", we dont know if it would have made a difference. But there is something to be said about throwing different looks at opposing defenses. Be less predictable.

Shamet broke a land speed record for getting in Thibs doghouse in game 1. Also sat Cam im the 2nd half of the previous game, after 3 quick fouls in the 1st quarter. He's got some bench players on a very short leash. Not giving them a proper chance to contribute, putting more work on the starters.

yeah here is that something "why did he play inferior players who didnt even have the hot hand? That's stupid"

Stupid is pulling a player after one bad game, for the rest of the series.

Well….Thats a tough environment to play in if one miss shot causes you to sit all series (anybody seen Shammett?)

Throwing different looks at the defense is what a lot of good coaches do and have done. Thibs is a good coach but that’s not him.

Also how can we have a star PG who can get in the paint and a star center who can shoot logo 3s, and these two guys don’t run pick and pop all game? Just like they hunt down JB in pick and rolls, JB or Towns can cause the same havoc on offense. Force Harris to guard JB and force the rookie to guard Towns.

All these posters who defend Thibs even after his late game **** up. We apparently dont understand that we witnessed another "masterclass". When was the last time that we've actually seen one from Thibs? Not just a win.

Thibs masters the regular season by playing his starters more than any other coach ever has. He holds actual NBA records for that. But we're supposed expect the bench players to deliver with a quick hook and little PT.

Can you honestly say that was the difference in the game? Last 1:01 when down 6?
Not the bad shooting of JB and KAT?
Not the 11 missed foul shots?