I am tired of pointless giveaways to those who would rather take than contribute. Maybe, just maybe a change in needed to wake up Washington an let the people know that to get something we have to work for it. That those who have served and those that have worked come before those who merely extend their hands to take.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

TheSage wrote:I may be one of the few people in this forum who has met both Donald and his father, represented both Donald and his primary lawyer. He is a putz but will be voting for him nonetheless. He is not a politician which has accounted for some of his outrageous statements but, if an open mind is kept one would notice his progression and those statements has gradually evaporated.

I am tired of pointless giveaways to those who would rather take than contribute. Maybe, just maybe a change in needed to wake up Washington an let the people know that to get something we have to work for it. That those who have served and those that have worked come before those who merely extend their hands to take.

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

BRIGGS, you are a smart man. If you'd like to ask this level of question, the topic is probably not for you and I would doubt the full intention and meaning of my first sentence.

In a nutshell, you can always ask anything and it's your right to do so. We already know that to be President of the United States you must be a natural born citizen. So, why did Trump ask this of Obama? And continue to do so for years and years. And also remark that he may have been born in Kenya and not be "one of us (wink wink American/white)". This is not some casual inquiry but rather a race based under-toned question to curry-favor with other racist and/or bigoted and likeminded people to undermine and discredit. This is overt. The first BLACK president of our country. 1 + 1 = 2 should be very obvious to everyone.

Let me highlight some others:

Mexicans are rapists.

Muslims will not be allowed into our country.

He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents.

Trump claimed a FEDERAL judge was biased because "he’s a Mexican", dude was American with a Mexican heritage.

Justice Department has sued his company for not renting to African Americans, 1970s. http://www.nytimes.com/1975/06/11/archives/trump-promises-to-end-race-bias-realty-management-concern-reaches.html Generally, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him. Constantly cozy'ing up to David Duke, nothing wrong with courting votes, but you get the implication.

He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five.

This is who you are voting for. Disgusting dude.

I think it's more interesting why his own supporters call him a putz and a narcissist with stupid rhetoric who was stubbornly incorrect about Obama's birthplace and has countless MAJOR flip flops (remember John Kerry) and they STILL support him. Which is fine, but that sure won't sway me!

Because you know he's gonna be the Chaney to Trump's Bush... the policy puppet master...

martin wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

I read that article. It's kinda weak IMHO. I detest Trump as a candidate, but I think the word "racist" is flung around a little too easily. The "Mexican" judge controversy is the closest to a slam dunk, and then someone will just say "Mexican is not a race!" or whatever. It's all games.

That's what is annoying about dog whistles... they get you wheeling your head around, asking people "you heard that, right? am I crazy?" — and then they just say "yea I didn't hear that"... His campaign is one of dog whistles and playing footsie under the table, but it's hard to call him out directly. He outrights condemns David Duke as a potential Reform Party candidate, but then hems and haws with Jake Tapper... because he doesn't want to alienate the White Christian nationalists that sure do love him.

To an extent I do agree. But when you have a 40 year track record of the likes of Trump, you can call it a slam dunk.

His political career was launched based on a lie through the lens of racism/bigotry questioning the highest office of government of our country. That is Birtherism in a nutshell.

Funny thing, I liked the dude 10 years ago, when he was just a reality star. I didn't take him seriously, but he was fun to watch on TV.

Yea, the Birther business was all about the "othering" of Obama, baseless and shameful. Because of his skin color, father's nationality, or Arabic/East African name... sure it was a grab bag. But it was based on innuendo and bull****... and I don't get why guns and BRIGGS and anyone else is OK with a guy who wasted so much time on bull****.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Birtherism. You gonna promise to get your head out of that hole in the ground?

So you're a racist if you question where someone was born?

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.

Dude, seriously? Go back to Fox TV, quit while you are ahead.

Nice way to dodge the question. Give me facts

Look thru this thread Briggs, I don't dodge questions that have merit. Your question was stupid and that's the nicest thing I can say about it. If you need facts, google Donald Trump and read.