Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

+1

gunsnewing wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Or maybe it has sunk in that they are just stuck with Congress. The POTUS on the other hand can be recycled. You can fire those every 4 years, but you just can't clean House (or Seante)

True. If Hillary wins nothing changes. If Trump wins there's a good chance a lot if not everything changes

Perfect example is how so many have been up in arms over Kapernick. Yet most of us either haven't been informed or didn't care enough to voice the same critic about the healthcare for 9/11 first responders getting blocked. Or benefits for homeless veterans. But we want to talk about disrespecting these veterans by not standing for the anthem.

If you live in a swing state, the lesser of two evils strategy is clearly the wiser option.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Or maybe it has sunk in that they are just stuck with Congress. The POTUS on the other hand can be recycled. You can fire those every 4 years, but you just can't clean House (or Seante)

True. If Hillary wins nothing changes. If Trump wins there's a good chance a lot if not everything changes

I am not interested in any of the changes advocated by Trump.

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sure they are of consequence, But like I posted before, HRC has not earned my vote. I am not interested in voting against someone, and she is yet to convince me that I should vote for her.

Who cares what Hillary earns or deserves. Vote for her because you will actually get to live in a better country than with a Trump presidency.

I care. It's my vote. And I know Hillary doesn't care. Somewhere in there is the crux of the problem.

So you care more about whether Hillary deserves your vote than about the quality of the country that *you* live in? Are you willing to have a tanking economy in which you or people you love lose their jobs just under Trump just because of how you personally feel towards Hillary?

LOL - No, I should vote for Hillary because you can read the tea leaves. There's too much hyperbole in your question. This negative voting rationale is not going to change my mind.

I just don't get the mindset where you care more about the candidate's personal thoughts, feelings, or whatever than about your own well-being. I just vote based on what I think will be in my own interest and the interest of those around me. If I think path A will lead to a better outcome than path B, I follow path A.

I don't get why you are projecting that mindset on me. I have said two things.
1. Based on her lack of charisma/passion/convictions and the level of republicans opposition she is not going to get the job done or make America better.

2. I am not interested in voting for who makes America less worse, because I think voters need to send a message to establishment politicians that they need to get their **** together. I am done voting for the next person who will pander to the 1℅. I get that right now it feels like there's too much at stake here in this election. But,i have been around long enough to know every election feels this way.

I am still going to vote for every other race on the ticket. I am not trying to make the same political statement at every level, and I don't have enough information to make reasonable assessments in every race. But I will vote to keep the right wing ideology out.

The gesture of not voting for Hillary is largely symbolic, but I believe that if more people resisted voting "against" candidates we would have a much better democracy and a better country. You may not agree with this but I am voting or not voting in this case to make the country better. I am taking a stand and given what little influence I have in the system, quite possibly the only stand I can take.

The message I am trying to send is more important than removing the spectre of Donald Trump. Because this corrupt partisan politics is why we have problems like Donald Trump to start with. This is not a one time problem. It won't go away if he loses. Next election there'll be another pompous scumbag spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up.

"spewing this hateful garbage and people will be eating it up" I think you're drinking the juice here. What hateful garbage is he spewing--show me the facts.