Posted by fishmike:

we now have 5 PFs all about 6'8 that are all similar players. What happened to young and athletic? These guys are short and squat with bad contracts. Whats to like?

Yes Bonn... cant wait to see what Isiah does with $30mm in expiring deals. Maybe package them for Jalen Rose?

Lets look at the guys with at least 2 MORE years after this one:
Rose
JYD
KT
Mo Taylor
Houston

That sucks... hey, I had hopes for Layden all the way to the end, but this is his kind of move.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by VDesai:

What's the purpose of the Taylor trade? He's not young, not athletic and we didn't get a pick...

Did we give up anyone young or athletic to get him? It was a slightly bad deal but the SA deal easily outweighs it

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by VDesai:

What's the purpose of the Taylor trade? He's not young, not athletic and we didn't get a pick...

Did we give up anyone young or athletic to get him? It was a slightly bad deal but the SA deal easily outweighs it

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by gunsnewing:

i dont mind the Taylor trade because is a lot better and a lot more tradeable then Baker and Moochie. And he's instant low post offense off the bench.

I just wish we didn't give up the 2nd rounder. did we officially give it up?

And Malik is averaging 6pts/4rebs in very little minutes and he plays excellent defense. He's a lot better than Nazr Mohammed!

The 2nd round pick will probably be around #50. I'm not sure if we gave it up or not, but it's not very valuable.

We definitely gave it up according to the Rockets and Knicks official websites. Why do you say it will be around 50? That's assuming the Knicks have a relatively decent seed in the playoffs next year, where it seems more likely that they will be in the lottery again and have a pick in the 30's or so.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by VDesai:

What's the purpose of the Taylor trade? He's not young, not athletic and we didn't get a pick...

Did we give up anyone young or athletic to get him? It was a slightly bad deal but the SA deal easily outweighs it

The problem is that Taylor is added to a glut of PF's and presents another potential obstacle for Sweetney's development. I don't know what the team's view of Sweetney is for the long term, I'd just rather it not be clouded and that he gets a legit shot to start and perform as a post threat.

Another problem is Taylor's game. He doesn't rebound or play much defense. He's got some post moves but is a pretty soft overall player for a guy his size. Last thing we need is more softies up front.

Isn't also harder to trade Taylor than Baker and Mooch, as Taylor's contract is larger and runs longer? Guys like Mooch and Baker can be put together to acquire lower salaried guys. It's gonna be a bit harder to slot up guys to trade Taylor for...

what i meant to say was Taylor's contract is a lot more valuable when matching contracts. Baker and moochie make peanuts compared to him and rose. We will get a much better player back for TT/Penny/Taylor/Rose & KT then we we would with TT/penny/baker & moochie.

One thing these trades prove is that the knicks are not letting TT/Penny's contracts expire. Zeke is going to use them.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Who cares if the Knicks have 5 guys that are 6'8 this year that play PF this year, its over, the Knicks aren't making playoffs and you should not be rooting for them to make it, the lottery is the place for this team right now. My best guess is that Taylor or Rose is either bought out, traded outright, or packaged in a deal with one of our expiring contracts this summer. I really like Rose, he's a good great defender and has a infectious style of play to him, maybe he can knock some sense into Steph and Jamal. Draft picks are key and the glut of PFs will be resolved by the start of next season, the only way Isiah was going to get draft picks was by taking something else in return, this will be fixed, the pieces are STARTING to fall into place on Isiah's plan.

think people are really underestimating Rose. He averages close to 7 & 5 on a great team and plays very good defense at SF which can only help.

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Who cares if the Knicks have 5 guys that are 6'8 this year that play PF this year, its over, the Knicks aren't making playoffs and you should not be rooting for them to make it, the lottery is the place for this team right now. My best guess is that Taylor or Rose is either bought out, traded outright, or packaged in a deal with one of our expiring contracts this summer. I really like Rose, he's a good great defender and has a infectious style of play to him, maybe he can knock some sense into Steph and Jamal. Draft picks are key and the glut of PFs will be resolved by the start of next season, the only way Isiah was going to get draft picks was by taking something else in return, this will be fixed, the pieces are STARTING to fall into place on Isiah's plan.

whoa, a bunch of issues with that take.

infectious style of play? wasn't that JYD's job? it'll take more than malik rose to get our less-skilled defenders hustling out there.

rose and taylor are untradeable, and by that, i mean untradeable to anyone but us. think eisley, anderson. package them with ending contracts? for who, shaq? uh, hardaway and rose, for example, make close to $20 mil combined. TT and taylor? likewise. i'm not hopeful anyone will be available who isn't as big a mistake as any of those guys.

if the draft picks were the key, why do the taylor trade if he's jsut going to be bought out or put in a trade? baker and norris would have been easier to ship elsewhere, or let walk that much sooner.

think people are really underestimating Rose. He averages close to 7 & 5 on a great team and plays very good defense at SF which can only help.

i thought rose was a PF/C. don't let the fact that he's 6'7 fool you, he's no SF.

Malik Rose is a heck of a lot better defender than JYD. All JYD can do is hustle. There's a reason he's been trade a gazillion times! Stephen A. Smith also agrees that Rose gives the knicks exactly what they need to change the face of the team..DEFENSE!