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PhilinLA
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1/15/2005  6:28 PM
It never ceases to amaze me when people blame the best player on the team for all the team's troubles.
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1/15/2005  6:31 PM
Marbury 25pts 7rebs 10assist 2stls. He did his part. Ariza 18pts 8rebs he did his part. KT 15pts 8rebs 6assist 4stls. He did his part.

Muhammad & Houston didn't do there part. It happens.
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1/15/2005  6:32 PM
Newyorknewyork; If he'd made the three I would've been happy about it but I can still say that it wasn't the right shot, not at that point of the game, it would've been luck. I don't blame the loss on Marbury, I blame it on the defense that disappeared in the 4th quarter. I am tired of watching the Knicks control a game only to lose in the 4th quarter.
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1/15/2005  6:42 PM
It was an OPEN 3 thats allways a good shot if you have that range. And especially if you have been hitting your jumpers all half. You don't pass up on OPEN shots because you don't know what can happen after you pass it up.
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1/15/2005  7:07 PM
Marbury played 45 freakin minutes, where is his legs at the end of a game after chasing around the bulls speedy backcourt of hinnrich and gordon to take a 3?

He did paly well in the 2nd half, but the guy still didn't use the "best judgement"by taking a 3 instead of taking it to the hole like a NYC PG.
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1/15/2005  7:15 PM
But the point is that you take a wide open shot no matter what. If that shot went in everyone would have loved Marbury's judgement; since it didn't Marbury is a terrible leader.
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1/15/2005  7:27 PM
Posted by playa2:

Marbury played 45 freakin minutes, where is his legs at the end of a game after chasing around the bulls speedy backcourt of hinnrich and gordon to take a 3?

He did paly well in the 2nd half, but the guy still didn't use the "best judgement"by taking a 3 instead of taking it to the hole like a NYC PG.

Why is driving to the whole any easier then taking a three when your tired. Being explosive to the hoop is much harder then taking a jump shot. Perhaps he shouldn't have shot but if you think driving is easier then shooting I totally disagree.
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1/15/2005  7:32 PM
Old fan, you learn this in biddy ball to take the ball to the hole as the pg if you have played so many minutes(45) and the end of the game is on the line cmon man. you want to get fouled not necessarily score.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/15/2005 19:33:34]
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1/15/2005  7:45 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I wouldn't say the Knicks blew the game even if they had the lead. Houston is just not ready but with Crawford out he has no choice. So when Houston was struggling Norris-Marbury was best backup lineup but Bulls can use zone on that backcourt, which they did. So if we go with Marbury-Houston Hinrich or Gordan would expliot Houston. If we go with Norris-Marbury they go into a zone. So though Knicks were fighting hard Bulls just kept exploiting our weaknesses. Bottom line can't wait for Crawford to come back.

A lineup they could have used at the end of the game could have been Marbury-Ariza-JYD-KT-Muhammad. Though the bulls would have went zone on us we could have put clamps down on Gordan & Hinrich. And maybe pushed the ball for transition baskets to keep up with the offensive flow. I would say all in all it was a hard fought game throughout and Bulls deserve a lot of credit for making big shots and plays down the stretch.

What do you mean Houston is not ready?!!!! He's never going to be ready! He is damaged goods and towards the end of his career. Even you are depending on Houston getting ready you are disillusioned. Sorry man but I refuse to accept anyone who says houston is not ready! He will never be ready not with surgery, God or that high jumper guy!
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1/15/2005  8:04 PM
Posted by playa2:

Old fan, you learn this in biddy ball to take the ball to the hole as the pg if you have played so many minutes(45) and the end of the game is on the line cmon man. you want to get fouled not necessarily score.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/15/2005 19:33:34]

Easier said than done. It takes a lot less energy to shoot a 3 than drive the ball and get contact. Try to stop being so negative, and think about the actual situation
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1/15/2005  8:09 PM
jeez fellas, you can't put the "blame" on this loss on one person. they played better defense in the 4th quarter than we did and it was exemplified by the 2 blocks at the end of the game. that's it.
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1/15/2005  8:39 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I wouldn't say the Knicks blew the game even if they had the lead. Houston is just not ready but with Crawford out he has no choice. So when Houston was struggling Norris-Marbury was best backup lineup but Bulls can use zone on that backcourt, which they did. So if we go with Marbury-Houston Hinrich or Gordan would expliot Houston. If we go with Norris-Marbury they go into a zone. So though Knicks were fighting hard Bulls just kept exploiting our weaknesses. Bottom line can't wait for Crawford to come back.

A lineup they could have used at the end of the game could have been Marbury-Ariza-JYD-KT-Muhammad. Though the bulls would have went zone on us we could have put clamps down on Gordan & Hinrich. And maybe pushed the ball for transition baskets to keep up with the offensive flow. I would say all in all it was a hard fought game throughout and Bulls deserve a lot of credit for making big shots and plays down the stretch.

What do you mean Houston is not ready?!!!! He's never going to be ready! He is damaged goods and towards the end of his career. Even you are depending on Houston getting ready you are disillusioned. Sorry man but I refuse to accept anyone who says houston is not ready! He will never be ready not with surgery, God or that high jumper guy!

Well lets first see how Houston does when Crawford takes most of the mins and pressure off of him. And when did I say I was depending on Houston. Didn't I say I can't wait for Crawford to come back?? Houston wasn't supposed to start or get 30mins a game. Crawford going down forced him to rush his comeback mins and expectation wise. So its not fair that he had to be rushed back since Crawford went down and then to call him done when he doesn't produce what he is cappable.
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1/15/2005  8:41 PM
And he may be done as a 20pt scorer he may be not. But it isn't out of the question for him to be a 16pt player who can open be a zone buster & open up the court for Marbury & Crawford when he gets to the level health wise that he wants to be.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 01/15/2005 21:56:58]
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1/15/2005  8:52 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

And he may be done as a 20pt scorer he may be not. But it isn't out of the question for him to be a 16pt player who can open be a zone buster & open up the court for Marbury & Crawford wants he gets to the level health wise that he wants to be.
I think its out of the question for him to be a 16ppg scorer at this time. Dallas, New Jersey, Miami and today Chicago all played Zone D. Houston was unsuccessful in breaking the zone in each of those games.

Did you see Kirk Hinrich block his shot today? Kirk Hinrich is not a guy with a good vertical leap or a great defender and he blocked even though he is 3 inches SHORTER than Houston. No man, either Houston is completely done or he will have to get surgery, recover and then try to play again. If he doesnt, expecting anything consistently from him is stupid.
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1/15/2005  9:05 PM
I guess we will just have wait and find out.
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1/15/2005  9:18 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

And he may be done as a 20pt scorer he may be not. But it isn't out of the question for him to be a 16pt player who can open be a zone buster & open up the court for Marbury & Crawford wants he gets to the level health wise that he wants to be.

16 points! his days or scoring a lot of points becaus there is no one ese who can score are over. Othella, shandon, eisely weatherspoon, you name 'em, are the reason Houston averaged over 20pts per game. With that team he should averaged over 25pts! Whenever he's been on a good team he hasn't average more than 18. So how is he going to average 16 now when we have steph and jamal! get my point man? He'd be lucky to average 8-10pts at this point.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/15/2005 21:33:28]
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1/15/2005  9:45 PM
I dont see the surgery making him any better at this point. It would probably make him look even more awkward if thats possible.
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1/15/2005  11:18 PM
Ohh well... Another loss, another angry forum, more critics, more negativity, wanting to fire the coach, questioning the manager's moves, wanting to trade everyone and rebuilding... Yeah, everything is normal in the Knicks universe.
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1/15/2005  11:46 PM
Wow! I just read some of the messages posted lately and its amazing! Guys, this team is a .500 team when healthy, and right now we aren't! I know we as fans want this team to win every game, but its not possible when you have a team like us, and lets not talk about when they miss their starting SF and SG! They could've won some games even with their injury problems, but, well, we are a mediocre team so what do you expect?

But all this nonsense is pretty amazing! All the things written lately about some missing Layden, others hating Marbury, others NY fans that can't stop hating the team. Do yourselves a favor: call some friends and go out to have fun, read a good book, watch a movie, draw, read the bible. But, please, take a break on basketball. The Knicks are ugly right now and some fans look worse...

Wow...
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1/16/2005  10:22 AM
I was pissed off just like everyone else that we lost. However, there was one thing I was very happy to see. I was happy to see our players actually put out an effort. If we play like that every night, we are a very hard team to beat. We lost yesterday because our shots weren't falling at all (except for Ariza's). Allan was killing us because he couldn't hit anything and Steph couldn't make a shot in the 4th either. If Allan and Steph had their normal shooting games, then I think we win that game by around 10 points. It was good to see JYD and Ariza's hard work ethic start to spread to other players. Hopefully, we find a way to keep the intensity up on a consistent basis.
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