Rookie wrote:Looks like the MTA just raised fares and tolls. Maybe they didn’t get the memo? The mayor better get back on the phone with all the billionaires to remind them it’s their responsibility to foot the bill for your commute

Well the 10 cent increase was implemented by the previous corrupt mayor who was pardoned by you know who for taking bribes

Rookie wrote:Looks like the MTA just raised fares and tolls. Maybe they didn’t get the memo? The mayor better get back on the phone with all the billionaires to remind them it’s their responsibility to foot the bill for your commute

What a ****ty attitude to take in general. What’s the point you are trying to make?

Is there no sense of community here where the most uber wealthly can’t help out those in need in general?

Or do we just delve our country into jungle law where the wealthiest own large portions of the country and the rest just fight for scraps just to live or work? Cause that seems like the hyperbolic version of what you are espousing here, and believe me you, the uber rich will **** everyone over as much as they can. Use the history of the world as your example.

Bringing down the cost of health care and commonly shared things like roads or transportation or food supplies feel like things that a wealthy nation could or should provide for their citizens. Maternity leave would be high on my list too along with free education through college level. No kid through the high school level should go without meals.

Or we can have a few more Elon’s and whatnot in our country and not health care for everyone. You seem to be arguing for a few more billionaires over those other things.

They are incredibly hard things to accomplish. So was overcoming slavery and women’s rights and drinking from the same water fountains and interracial marriage and same sex marriage and child labor laws and public education through high school and having paved roads and public transportation and whatnot, the list is endless. And it first starts with believing we need them for our communities and to make our country better.

Feel free to continue to both argue against those things or to make them harder to accomplish while the billionaires and the rest of the oligarch class in our country thank you repeatedly for doing their work for them while they pocket more money than they know what to do with or buy that extra island or building to house their mistresses in.

Nalod wrote:Tax on net worth is absurd.
Im not a fan on Mandami. His election is a a sort of win for those workers who want to "take back the City for the people". There is more to the city than manhatten.
This is why Trump was fawning over him after the election. It plugs in his narrative on the polar opposite. The message is early, but his is how people push back.
When you look that the lowest income, crime, and federal assistance states are red and have been its no doubt hypocritical. People voting red thinking if they get rid of immigrants there will be more for them. Or Trump really cares about religion or the middle class.
Mandami brings a sort of hope that we need a redistrution to help the masses. He is not wrong but im not sold this is how
The masses don't hold the wealth, but they hold the same vote.

Democratic Socialism would simply mean eliminating tax dodges for the wealthiest, not retroactively taking a pound of flesh for gains already realized unless they were obtained illegally.

If people want balanced budgets that allow for investment in infrastructure that benefits all citizens of any tax regime it is not radical to ask for relative tax contributions from the top percentile of earners.

Only in America is the push for fair taxation considered radical or is stupidly framed as an insult. The word socialism is only an insult when it is not paired with functioning democratic systems. Then it devolves into centralized autocracy like communist states at which point social interests are snuffed out. But every advanced state in the world has some form of state subsidized socialized education and health care.

They are better for it.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:Looks like the MTA just raised fares and tolls. Maybe they didn’t get the memo? The mayor better get back on the phone with all the billionaires to remind them it’s their responsibility to foot the bill for your commute

What a ****ty attitude to take in general. What’s the point you are trying to make?

Is there no sense of community here where the most uber wealthly can’t help out those in need in general?

Or do we just delve our country into jungle law where the wealthiest own large portions of the country and the rest just fight for scraps just to live or work? Cause that seems like the hyperbolic version of what you are espousing here, and believe me you, the uber rich will **** everyone over as much as they can. Use the history of the world as your example.

Bringing down the cost of health care and commonly shared things like roads or transportation or food supplies feel like things that a wealthy nation could or should provide for their citizens. Maternity leave would be high on my list too along with free education through college level. No kid through the high school level should go without meals.

Or we can have a few more Elon’s and whatnot in our country and not health care for everyone. You seem to be arguing for a few more billionaires over those other things.

They are incredibly hard things to accomplish. So was overcoming slavery and women’s rights and drinking from the same water fountains and interracial marriage and same sex marriage and child labor laws and public education through high school and having paved roads and public transportation and whatnot, the list is endless. And it first starts with believing we need them for our communities and to make our country better.

Feel free to continue to both argue against those things or to make them harder to accomplish while the billionaires and the rest of the oligarch class in our country thank you repeatedly for doing their work for them while they pocket more money than they know what to do with or buy that extra island or building to house their mistresses in.

If you want to move to a communist or socialist country I promise I won’t try and stop you. If that is the model of society that you want to live in, there are options for you. Personally if I left the USA which I love, I’d move to Italy. If you are in upstate NY, maybe try Canada, I’m sure they would welcome you and it wouldn’t be that far for you to move there and try out the social systems that you want so badly. Give us a full report after you’ve tried living in a communist or socialist country country for awhile, I love to hear all about it

Feeding kids at school is communism? Taking out the profit in health care is communism?

All of those things are bad for our country and anyone who thinks having a better country is communism?

Fuck that

In the United States, various movements and initiatives have been derided as "communism," often during periods of anti-communist sentiment like the First and Second Red Scares. Accusations were frequently used as a political tactic to discredit a wide range of progressive, liberal, and radical ideas.

Movements and ideas labeled as communist or "red plots" include:

Labor and Union Movements: The early 20th-century labor movement, including general strikes and efforts to organize industrial unions, was frequently labeled as radical and linked to communism. Organizations like the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) were viewed with suspicion, and the government used the Red Scare to justify crackdowns on worker strikes.

Civil Rights Movements: During the Cold War, southern politicians and investigative agencies repeatedly attempted to discredit organizations like the NAACP and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) by equating their strategies with a communist takeover. Many civil rights groups adopted anti-communist stances to protect themselves from these attacks.

New Deal Policies: Conservative politicians in the 1930s equated President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal programs—such as social security, minimum wage laws, and other government interventions aimed at economic recovery—with socialism or communism. They viewed these policies as an overreach of federal power and an abandonment of American free-market principles.

Progressive Reforms: Historically, a range of progressive reforms, including child labor laws and women's suffrage, were dismissed by some conservative politicians as "communist" or "Red plots" in an effort to raise fears against such changes.

LGBTQ+ Rights Movement: Harry Hay, the founder of the early gay rights organization the Mattachine Society, was an active member of the Communist Party. However, the Communist Party itself expelled him and other homosexual members due to the fear of blackmail from the FBI and the party's own internal ideological biases at the time.

Other Social Movements: The Women's Rights Movement, the Chicano Civil Rights Movement, and the American Indian Movement of the late 1960s and 1970s, which sought to challenge existing social norms and power structures, were also often broadly associated with the "New Left" and the radicalism that some feared was linked to communism.

These accusations were often baseless but were effective in leveraging public fear of the Soviet Union to suppress a wide range of social and political dissent within the United States.

Nalod wrote:
Tax rates for large corporations were much high in the days when "America Was Great".
Im not against higher taxes as long as we invest in our infrasture which includes healthcare, Feeding those in need, and in projects that promote better life for all. We used to spend on infrastructure of roads. Nasa created innovation. Etc.
There is a compromise were innovation and compassion can exist.

I think this is exactly it. With the obvious tip of the cap of being rewarded for either your individual or corporate endeavors.

AND

terrorizing us domestically with ICE

He is obviously completely off his rocker, not even a calm and measured Nazi, but a completely hysterically bonkers cartoon version of a Nazi

This MF will declare martial law to prevent the mid-term elections from happening

They are creating so much animosity with the rest of the world that they will cook up some kind of crisis to end all democratic functions and take complete control

This is their way. They are saying it out loud.

Nobody deserves to be forgiven for being ignorant any longer for not recognizing face eating leopards are running the country and they are telling us point blank they are going to eat our faces

Go to 2:15 of the second video for the fireworks

F these MFs. They stole my country

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Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Do people in our country think that having a better maternity plan for new parents means communism? That having an upgraded subway system means it’s communism?

Feeding kids at school is communism? Taking out the profit in health care is communism?

All of those things are bad for our country and anyone who thinks having a better country is communism?

Fuck that

These clowns think social security is communism and want to get rid of it.

are you guys really debating whether Mandami is communist? "warmth of collectivism." It's not like he's hiding this.

I think the issue is the ideas all sound great on paper, and have for a long time, in a lot of places. Yet no one seems to be able to make it work even when their lives depended on it. And certainly not in any sustainable way. If you have a model socialist or communist country I'm all ears. Would be interested in what country communist or otherwise you'd like to emulate.

Compare Poland and Venezuela (which has largest proven oil reserves on the planet). One turned primarily capitalist at the same time the other flipped in the other direction. the change in their respective fortunes couldn't be more stark.

Also kind of ironic that people from essentially every socialist or communist country would risk their lives to come here, yet not vice versa? Must all be a bunch of dummies, I guess.

I don't want NY to fail to prove I'm right. But I am a deep skeptic that this will work and be sustainable.

You speak of socialism as if it is the same thing as communism. They are not remotely similar.

You called the mayor of NY a communist. Yeah, he's Stalin and Mao redux.

Then you effectively compare his agenda to addressing housing costs or providing daycare for single parents as equivalent to a Venezuelan dictator? WTF?

It's fine to be skeptical when someone actually tries to use government to assist people for a change because it is a big hill to climb, but to cast aspersions with commie slurs is lazy and inaccurate.