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Knixkik
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5/29/2025  6:07 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Is Amir Coffey a realistic target with the taxpayer MLE of $5.7M?

6'7"
Will be 28 next season
.384 career from three
.409 last season on 3.4 attempts

Might save OG and Mikal from playing 39+ minutes a game.

Aren't we a team a player will sign for less for ?

Yes. And he would be a nice option.

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5/29/2025  7:45 PM
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JesseDark wrote:I'd like the team to add a better on ball defender to the back court mix. I'm thinking an Alex Caruso type. I'd think a player like that should be available for the MLE, just don't haver a name that comes to mind.

Davion Mitchell, Bruce Brown are FAs

Marcus Smart could be had via trade I’m sure. Idk how washed he is but his role here would be small. Just need to play D and not be scared to shoot.

Smart makes too much money to match. Mitchell is small. He’s the same as Deuce. Brown is fine but he also doesn’t want to shoot so he might be too much like Hart. We probably don’t find a Caruso level player. He’s 1 of 1 in the league. We can try to trade Mitch and any leftover assets for Herb Jones. He makes less money. Otherwise for free agents it’s Brown like you said, LeVert, who could be a good pickup, nickeil Alexander-Walker who is probably worth more but is worth a try. Or maybe LaRavia to go bigger with more focus on shooting. For what it’s worth, Brown, LeVert and Alexander-Walker are all CAA, which is always to our advantage.

We definitely can't get a Caruso level player, just trying to think of guys who bring physicality, toughness, defense to the off-guard position because I do think we need that as potentially our missing starter piece.

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5/29/2025  11:57 PM
Mikal for JJJ
Mitch for Herb Jones
Trent for Tax Payer MLE
LaRavia, Nnaji, McCullar, Huk, Shamet on Min deals.

Brunson / Deuce / Kolek
Jones / Trent / Shamet
OG / Hart / McCullar
JJJ / LaRavia / Dadiet
KAT / Huk / Nnaji

You know I gonna spin wit it
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5/30/2025  12:10 AM
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5/30/2025  10:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/30/2025  10:29 AM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.


Gotta get creative to add depth.

This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.

Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.

Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.

Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.

We can’t sign any major players over the first apron. We don’t even have the MLE. At $5 mil you’re getting a mediocre bench player like Cam Payne.


Yes we can trade still but it would probably result in us losing even more depth by doing a 2 for 1 for Giannis. Durant will be a 37 year old cancer who misses a huge chunk of the regular season.

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5/30/2025  10:31 AM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.


Gotta get creative to add depth.

This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.

Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.

Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.

Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.

That’s correct. We have the taxpayer MLE of 5.7M to start. We can sign and trade our own free agents. We have Achiuwa to use via sign and trade if we need a contract bigger than the minimum but don’t want to touch any of our top 7 players. We have the Washington pick which will likely be 2 high 2nd round picks in 2026 and 2027. And with the new second round exceptions, those carry slightly more value than late firsts due to the cheaper contracts. We aren’t limited to aggregating salaries like second apron teams. We are in pretty good shape to keep building this summer.

Better off simply resigning Achiuwa in that scenario.

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5/30/2025  10:32 AM
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.


Gotta get creative to add depth.

This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.

Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.

Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.

Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.

We can’t sign any major players over the first apron. We don’t even have the MLE. At $5 mil you’re getting a mediocre bench player like Cam Payne.


Yes we can trade still but it would probably result in us losing even more depth by doing a 2 for 1 for Giannis. Durant will be a 37 year old cancer who misses a huge chunk of the regular season.

Nobody has cap space this year, the $5 MLE is gonna get you a good player this offseason.

Also, why are you limiting trade possibilities to the two biggest names on the market making 50M+ per year? Lol, there are plenty of trade possibilities and we can combine players to make it happen.

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5/30/2025  10:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/30/2025  10:37 AM
DLeethal wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.


Gotta get creative to add depth.

This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.

Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.

Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.

Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.

We can’t sign any major players over the first apron. We don’t even have the MLE. At $5 mil you’re getting a mediocre bench player like Cam Payne.


Yes we can trade still but it would probably result in us losing even more depth by doing a 2 for 1 for Giannis. Durant will be a 37 year old cancer who misses a huge chunk of the regular season.

Nobody has cap space this year, the $5 MLE is gonna get you a good player this offseason.

Also, why are you limiting trade possibilities to the two biggest names on the market making 50M+ per year? Lol, there are plenty of trade possibilities and we can combine players to make it happen.

No, 16 teams will be able to offer the $14.1 non-tax MLE. Knicks are not one of them.

Yes we can trade KAT but for what? Giannis? Will be a 2 for 1 KAT and Mikal for Giannis and we lose even more depth. Durant? GTFO

Rather just continue to go to war with KAT. Hes in the prime of his career and has us 2 wins from the Finals.

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5/30/2025  10:51 AM
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.


Gotta get creative to add depth.

This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.

Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.

Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.

Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.

We can’t sign any major players over the first apron. We don’t even have the MLE. At $5 mil you’re getting a mediocre bench player like Cam Payne.


Yes we can trade still but it would probably result in us losing even more depth by doing a 2 for 1 for Giannis. Durant will be a 37 year old cancer who misses a huge chunk of the regular season.

You a lawyer. Probably result? No, that's failure of imagination.

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5/30/2025  10:53 AM
Philc1 wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.


Gotta get creative to add depth.

This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.

Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.

Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.

Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.

We can’t sign any major players over the first apron. We don’t even have the MLE. At $5 mil you’re getting a mediocre bench player like Cam Payne.


Yes we can trade still but it would probably result in us losing even more depth by doing a 2 for 1 for Giannis. Durant will be a 37 year old cancer who misses a huge chunk of the regular season.

Nobody has cap space this year, the $5 MLE is gonna get you a good player this offseason.

Also, why are you limiting trade possibilities to the two biggest names on the market making 50M+ per year? Lol, there are plenty of trade possibilities and we can combine players to make it happen.

No, 16 teams will be able to offer the $14.1 non-tax MLE. Knicks are not one of them.

Yes we can trade KAT but for what? Giannis? Will be a 2 for 1 KAT and Mikal for Giannis and we lose even more depth. Durant? GTFO

Rather just continue to go to war with KAT. Hes in the prime of his career and has us 2 wins from the Finals.

Knicks are going to be on the 1st tier contender list going into next season, so how many crappy teams have MLE is irrelevant to me. Those teams don't go after veterans. Knicks will have a shot to sign a good player with the 5M.

And KAT is not the only guy we can trade. We can use Mitch's salary, some of our rookie salaries, Tucker's salary, Deuce's salary. We can explore Hart or Mikal or OG trade market if we want. It doesn't have to be KAT's 50-60M salary.

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5/30/2025  10:58 AM
Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.
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5/30/2025  10:59 AM
Mitch 13M, Deuce 4.7M, Tucker 1.8M, Dadiet 1.8M, Kolek 2M.
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5/30/2025  11:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/30/2025  11:06 AM
DLeethal wrote:Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.

I'd rather let Bridges contract expire or trade him, and keep MItch/Diadet/Kolek.

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5/30/2025  11:16 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.

I'd rather let Bridges contract expire or trade him, and keep MItch/Diadet/Kolek.

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5/30/2025  11:25 AM
DLeethal wrote:Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.

we cant trade 3 or 4 rotation players for 1.

Mitch just turned 27, I think we should be looking at extending him. Maybe 4/80m?

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5/30/2025  11:31 AM
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.

I'd rather let Bridges contract expire or trade him, and keep MItch/Diadet/Kolek.

In my defense I forgot that he had another year.

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5/30/2025  11:34 AM
DLeethal wrote:Mitch 13M, Deuce 4.7M, Tucker 1.8M, Dadiet 1.8M, Kolek 2M.

And we are somehow packaging that for what? Deuce I agree is excellent trade bait but I’d better get back an upgrade and not some flashy name who is past his prime that’s Isiah level nonsense.

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5/30/2025  11:34 AM
The Mitch decision is far from obvious. Obvious impact and role, but completely a wild card from an injury standpoint. Defensive oriented 5s also not the hottest market in terms of salary or trade packages. Will be fascinating to see what happens with him and this team in the future.

IN the now, I feel like in this rehab, he came back a bit more mobile and was showing signs of having better touch around the rim initially.

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5/30/2025  11:36 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.

we cant trade 3 or 4 rotation players for 1.

Mitch just turned 27, I think we should be looking at extending him. Maybe 4/80m?

Extend him now. Mitch will be looking to get paid after next season and will get even more money than Hartenstein as a UFA.

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5/30/2025  11:40 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Knicks can make a trade for a 20M player with Mitch, Tucker, and Deuce and/or Dadiet/Kolek.

I'd rather let Bridges contract expire or trade him, and keep MItch/Diadet/Kolek.

In my defense I forgot that he had another year.

There is no defense for letting a contract expire. Zero GM's in the NBA left Mikak's contract expire, that's what gets you fired.

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