Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Duece looked like he could not score his rookie year too. It takes time for guys to get comfortable. I have no doubt Kolek is going to a VERY GOOD player. You cannot teach his level of passing. Once he gets more comfortable playing defense and scoring, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. By year 4, I predict we will be having the Brunson or Kolek debate.

If Kolek can improve his shooting he could be a good offensive pg in the nba. So far he has struggled in summer league but it is just summer league. His passing and handles are already there.

Remarkable insight! Its like you have a real feel for game and seeing things few of us can.
Most of us just vacillate between boom or bust but not you! Unstead you break the game down in way that takes the intricate details and makes it so even my dog could understand it.
I mean I have read all kinds of remarks over the months from blogs, beat writers and perhaps even the UK faithful but nobody comes close to seeing it like you do. Taking 3d chess and making is into a concise sentence is true gift.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Kolek will not shine as a 1v1 player. He's a classic old school type of PG, thats currently being phased out of the NBA. If Kolek played in the 70's or 80's he would've been a higher pick. But in todays game, the NBA gives a higher grade for your ISO skills. That part of Kolek's game will take time to develop.

I agree, in a different offensive system, he would look better. In Thibs system, he will be marginalized and look like a late 2nd round pick or a non NBA player period. That doesn't mean he cant help a team win games, just not this year with the knicks. Lets see what the off season does for him. Lets see if his ISO game improves, which should increase other things like his offensive confidence to score in different ways. JB is the best mentor to have for this skill set, as a small guard.

I think its too soon to write off Kolek's 1 on 1 ability, before next season anyway. Hasnt shown it often, but Ive seen some creative takes to the rim, didnt finish on most of them, but that takes practice.

Im hoping Kolek does what Frank didnt do after his rookie season (or the rest of his career) which is play as much hoops over the summer as possible. Drew league etc. Thats how Kolek will take his game to the next level. Not producing flashy workout videos with his crew.

maybe he needs more Drew league

Or maybe this is who he is (right now). And could be a late bloomer (in the future). Eventually, he will leave and shine on another team. That seems to be the knicks pattern historically. But from what we are seeing in summer league, a backup PG is needed asap.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Kolek will not shine as a 1v1 player. He's a classic old school type of PG, thats currently being phased out of the NBA. If Kolek played in the 70's or 80's he would've been a higher pick. But in todays game, the NBA gives a higher grade for your ISO skills. That part of Kolek's game will take time to develop.

I agree, in a different offensive system, he would look better. In Thibs system, he will be marginalized and look like a late 2nd round pick or a non NBA player period. That doesn't mean he cant help a team win games, just not this year with the knicks. Lets see what the off season does for him. Lets see if his ISO game improves, which should increase other things like his offensive confidence to score in different ways. JB is the best mentor to have for this skill set, as a small guard.

I think its too soon to write off Kolek's 1 on 1 ability, before next season anyway. Hasnt shown it often, but Ive seen some creative takes to the rim, didnt finish on most of them, but that takes practice.

Im hoping Kolek does what Frank didnt do after his rookie season (or the rest of his career) which is play as much hoops over the summer as possible. Drew league etc. Thats how Kolek will take his game to the next level. Not producing flashy workout videos with his crew.

maybe he needs more Drew league

Or maybe this is who he is (right now). And could be a late bloomer (in the future). Eventually, he will leave and shine on another team. That seems to be the knicks pattern historically. But from what we are seeing in summer league, a backup PG is needed asap.

I do hope Clarkson takes the backup PG role. He's got a drive and dish game that our wings can use to eat. You just dont always get the dish part.

We have seen a whole lot of McBride to know he's not a playmaker. At best a Tony Douglas type who takes care of the ball and can score

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Kolek will not shine as a 1v1 player. He's a classic old school type of PG, thats currently being phased out of the NBA. If Kolek played in the 70's or 80's he would've been a higher pick. But in todays game, the NBA gives a higher grade for your ISO skills. That part of Kolek's game will take time to develop.

I agree, in a different offensive system, he would look better. In Thibs system, he will be marginalized and look like a late 2nd round pick or a non NBA player period. That doesn't mean he cant help a team win games, just not this year with the knicks. Lets see what the off season does for him. Lets see if his ISO game improves, which should increase other things like his offensive confidence to score in different ways. JB is the best mentor to have for this skill set, as a small guard.

I think its too soon to write off Kolek's 1 on 1 ability, before next season anyway. Hasnt shown it often, but Ive seen some creative takes to the rim, didnt finish on most of them, but that takes practice.

Im hoping Kolek does what Frank didnt do after his rookie season (or the rest of his career) which is play as much hoops over the summer as possible. Drew league etc. Thats how Kolek will take his game to the next level. Not producing flashy workout videos with his crew.

maybe he needs more Drew league

Or maybe this is who he is (right now). And could be a late bloomer (in the future). Eventually, he will leave and shine on another team. That seems to be the knicks pattern historically. But from what we are seeing in summer league, a backup PG is needed asap.

At nearly 24 years old that Bloom is needed now! We need a back up this season. Maybe we are still grooming Deuce who is not the playmaker perhaps but can create and finish the catch and shoot. Perhaps Kolek changed his shot some and needs time to burn it in and coaches rather he do it in game play via SL. Its all good but showtime is in October where he will have competition.

It's not the jumpshot that has me worried in these games. You're right, maybe he tinkered with his form or he's just off. But it's the fact that any form of pressure negated his playmaking. Guys like McCullar have been forced to take the ball in the half court because Kolek can't handle his defenders one on one. I won't get too upset about this since he was only a second rounder. But it's becoming clear why Thibs never developed that much trust in him last season.

To be fair, to effectively play make teammates need to be where they suppose to be and the timing can be off. Im not sure this is the best situation to evaluate Kolek as these guys are thrown together with limited time. I don't watch Summerleague games. Hope this don't offend anyone but not much to be gained from it.
Win, we over inflate its importance. Lose, we get impatient and its a waste of a fine summers day.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Duece looked like he could not score his rookie year too. It takes time for guys to get comfortable. I have no doubt Kolek is going to a VERY GOOD player. You cannot teach his level of passing. Once he gets more comfortable playing defense and scoring, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. By year 4, I predict we will be having the Brunson or Kolek debate.

If Kolek can improve his shooting he could be a good offensive pg in the nba. So far he has struggled in summer league but it is just summer league. His passing and handles are already there.

Remarkable insight! Its like you have a real feel for game and seeing things few of us can.
Most of us just vacillate between boom or bust but not you! Unstead you break the game down in way that takes the intricate details and makes it so even my dog could understand it.
I mean I have read all kinds of remarks over the months from blogs, beat writers and perhaps even the UK faithful but nobody comes close to seeing it like you do. Taking 3d chess and making is into a concise sentence is true gift.

I’m enjoying this rent free space in your head. Amazing how no one is allowed to have an opinion unless they write a 26 paragraph essay about it according to you

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Duece looked like he could not score his rookie year too. It takes time for guys to get comfortable. I have no doubt Kolek is going to a VERY GOOD player. You cannot teach his level of passing. Once he gets more comfortable playing defense and scoring, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. By year 4, I predict we will be having the Brunson or Kolek debate.

If Kolek can improve his shooting he could be a good offensive pg in the nba. So far he has struggled in summer league but it is just summer league. His passing and handles are already there.

Remarkable insight! Its like you have a real feel for game and seeing things few of us can.
Most of us just vacillate between boom or bust but not you! Unstead you break the game down in way that takes the intricate details and makes it so even my dog could understand it.
I mean I have read all kinds of remarks over the months from blogs, beat writers and perhaps even the UK faithful but nobody comes close to seeing it like you do. Taking 3d chess and making is into a concise sentence is true gift.

Im enjoying this rent free space in your head. Amazing how no one is allowed to have an opinion unless they write a 26 paragraph essay about it according to you

Nalod likes to have one poster at a time to hound after every post until they leave the site. Then he moves on to someone new. Considers himself some kind of content police. Currently you're that person.

blkexec wrote:

TheGame wrote:I will be the first to admit it. Kolek has looked like a bust in summer league play. I don’t see any development and he actually looks worse than last summer. I don’t know what is going on with him. He is rushing his shot. He needs to slow down and play his game.

Yeah I’m with you on this. Though it’s:
1. Only summer league
2. New offensive system
3. New players around him
4. Lack of spacing due to having non shooters on the roster

Kolek is not an ISO guy. So it’s hard for him to prove himself in the era of basketball. Kolek is a system guard who needs time to develop in this new system. It’s also a result of his lack of development under Thibs. But he has JB as a mentor to model his game after. But i dont think JBs is the right PG to model. Because their games are fundamentally different. Right now he looks like a 3rd string PG in Chinese league basketball.

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

TheGame wrote:I will be the first to admit it. Kolek has looked like a bust in summer league play. I don’t see any development and he actually looks worse than last summer. I don’t know what is going on with him. He is rushing his shot. He needs to slow down and play his game.

Yeah I’m with you on this. Though it’s:
1. Only summer league
2. New offensive system
3. New players around him
4. Lack of spacing due to having non shooters on the roster

Kolek is not an ISO guy. So it’s hard for him to prove himself in the era of basketball. Kolek is a system guard who needs time to develop in this new system. It’s also a result of his lack of development under Thibs. But he has JB as a mentor to model his game after. But i dont think JBs is the right PG to model. Because their games are fundamentally different. Right now he looks like a 3rd string PG in Chinese league basketball.

Fixed it for you. He's struggling doing basic point guard things like bringing the ball up court.

It was a hackfest the last game, almost every time he brought up the ball. No denying Kolek has looked awful out there. But new teammates, system, coach, letting players hack. Not really the best evidence that Kolek has regressed. Time will tell. Either in NY or somewhere else. Still doesn’t have an NBA body. That would help him with the physicality and create separation.

Panos wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Duece looked like he could not score his rookie year too. It takes time for guys to get comfortable. I have no doubt Kolek is going to a VERY GOOD player. You cannot teach his level of passing. Once he gets more comfortable playing defense and scoring, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. By year 4, I predict we will be having the Brunson or Kolek debate.

If Kolek can improve his shooting he could be a good offensive pg in the nba. So far he has struggled in summer league but it is just summer league. His passing and handles are already there.

Remarkable insight! Its like you have a real feel for game and seeing things few of us can.
Most of us just vacillate between boom or bust but not you! Unstead you break the game down in way that takes the intricate details and makes it so even my dog could understand it.
I mean I have read all kinds of remarks over the months from blogs, beat writers and perhaps even the UK faithful but nobody comes close to seeing it like you do. Taking 3d chess and making is into a concise sentence is true gift.

Im enjoying this rent free space in your head. Amazing how no one is allowed to have an opinion unless they write a 26 paragraph essay about it according to you

Nalod likes to have one poster at a time to hound after every post until they leave the site. Then he moves on to someone new. Considers himself some kind of content police. Currently you're that person.

What's your claim to fame?
Pano's and PhilC........Like a new WWE alliance thing?
Y'all gonna throw a chair at me and im suppose to cut my eyebrow and then you tell Martin he unfairly treats you?

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Duece looked like he could not score his rookie year too. It takes time for guys to get comfortable. I have no doubt Kolek is going to a VERY GOOD player. You cannot teach his level of passing. Once he gets more comfortable playing defense and scoring, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. By year 4, I predict we will be having the Brunson or Kolek debate.

If Kolek can improve his shooting he could be a good offensive pg in the nba. So far he has struggled in summer league but it is just summer league. His passing and handles are already there.

Remarkable insight! Its like you have a real feel for game and seeing things few of us can.
Most of us just vacillate between boom or bust but not you! Unstead you break the game down in way that takes the intricate details and makes it so even my dog could understand it.
I mean I have read all kinds of remarks over the months from blogs, beat writers and perhaps even the UK faithful but nobody comes close to seeing it like you do. Taking 3d chess and making is into a concise sentence is true gift.

Im enjoying this rent free space in your head. Amazing how no one is allowed to have an opinion unless they write a 26 paragraph essay about it according to you

Nalod likes to have one poster at a time to hound after every post until they leave the site. Then he moves on to someone new. Considers himself some kind of content police. Currently you're that person.

What's your claim to fame?
Pano's and PhilC........Like a new WWE alliance thing?
Y'all gonna throw a chair at me and im suppose to cut my eyebrow and then you tell Martin he unfairly treats you?

he's the fastest poster here. Proven on 32nd street outside Stout

That was a long time ago! Wow, I sometimes forget who did what.
Pano's has hard opinions. I rarely get into it with him.
Gustav is sensitive and likes the last word. As do I.
PhilC is like the annoying kid in the lunch table in high school we all felt bad picking on in grade school but learned to chill a bit. It's fun bantering about because nobody knows each other and thus can't take any of it serious.

I think in 20 years I ran off perhaps just one poster. Tms. He melted down and could not stay civil.

Bonn19** was a trip. This dude was full out transparent but really set himself up. I bullied him like 15 years ago. I was wrong and none of this would pass anymore. "GayRobot" was funny for 10 minutes and this guy would go on about his dog, dates, rooming with his brother on family cruises, his teaching at a small liberal arts college, etc. He was dense and funny but did not know it. I think he just tired of us and got laid instead. Good call.

But let me be clear about something: State an opinion and I rarely go after it. State it like you in the room and know something without a footnote or where you got it is not an opinion. I might discuss an opinion I don't agree with but not blast it as I would a false proclamation. Big difference. It rarely occurs anymore.

Deflect like an adolescent who can't support a false statement and Im calling it out. Counter with an opinion then it stands on its own. Make **** up Im calling it.

There are rules for Nalod's madness.

Briggs was a good dude for a long time then just got abstinent about his beliefs and would not relent. He had some idiosyncranies but when his politics and personal views far exceeded basketball related discussion I believe he was given a choice. Martin does not ban folks without purpose or given a choice.

In the early days of the UK it was more raw and the common courtesy was being established. WE used to dig in pretty hard and argue. Nalod was not immune to being "monitored". Martin PM'd me and asked me to knock it off or be banned. Thus there were rules and I decided to abide. Others chose different. I might have pushed them over the edge but they were heading there in their own.
It's not about free speech. There are civilities to consider and we are guests of Martin.

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Duece looked like he could not score his rookie year too. It takes time for guys to get comfortable. I have no doubt Kolek is going to a VERY GOOD player. You cannot teach his level of passing. Once he gets more comfortable playing defense and scoring, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. By year 4, I predict we will be having the Brunson or Kolek debate.

If Kolek can improve his shooting he could be a good offensive pg in the nba. So far he has struggled in summer league but it is just summer league. His passing and handles are already there.

Remarkable insight! Its like you have a real feel for game and seeing things few of us can.
Most of us just vacillate between boom or bust but not you! Unstead you break the game down in way that takes the intricate details and makes it so even my dog could understand it.
I mean I have read all kinds of remarks over the months from blogs, beat writers and perhaps even the UK faithful but nobody comes close to seeing it like you do. Taking 3d chess and making is into a concise sentence is true gift.

Im enjoying this rent free space in your head. Amazing how no one is allowed to have an opinion unless they write a 26 paragraph essay about it according to you

Nalod likes to have one poster at a time to hound after every post until they leave the site. Then he moves on to someone new. Considers himself some kind of content police. Currently you're that person.

What's your claim to fame?
Pano's and PhilC........Like a new WWE alliance thing?
Y'all gonna throw a chair at me and im suppose to cut my eyebrow and then you tell Martin he unfairly treats you?

he's the fastest poster here. Proven on 32nd street outside Stout

That was a long time ago! Wow, I sometimes forget who did what.
Pano's has hard opinions. I rarely get into it with him.
Gustav is sensitive and likes the last word. As do I.
PhilC is like the annoying kid in the lunch table in high school we all felt bad picking on in grade school but learned to chill a bit. It's fun bantering about because nobody knows each other and thus can't take any of it serious.

I think in 20 years I ran off perhaps just one poster. Tms. He melted down and could not stay civil.

Bonn19** was a trip. This dude was full out transparent but really set himself up. I bullied him like 15 years ago. I was wrong and none of this would pass anymore. "GayRobot" was funny for 10 minutes and this guy would go on about his dog, dates, rooming with his brother on family cruises, his teaching at a small liberal arts college, etc. He was dense and funny but did not know it. I think he just tired of us and got laid instead. Good call.

But let me be clear about something: State an opinion and I rarely go after it. State it like you in the room and know something without a footnote or where you got it is not an opinion. I might discuss an opinion I don't agree with but not blast it as I would a false proclamation. Big difference. It rarely occurs anymore.

Deflect like an adolescent who can't support a false statement and Im calling it out. Counter with an opinion then it stands on its own. Make **** up Im calling it.

There are rules for Nalod's madness.

Briggs was a good dude for a long time then just got abstinent about his beliefs and would not relent. He had some idiosyncranies but when his politics and personal views far exceeded basketball related discussion I believe he was given a choice. Martin does not ban folks without purpose or given a choice.

In the early days of the UK it was more raw and the common courtesy was being established. WE used to dig in pretty hard and argue. Nalod was not immune to being "monitored". Martin PM'd me and asked me to knock it off or be banned. Thus there were rules and I decided to abide. Others chose different. I might have pushed them over the edge but they were heading there in their own.
It's not about free speech. There are civilities to consider and we are guests of Martin.

can we get like a TLDR?

lol it was like a WWF cage match when I joined and lots of like minds tag teaming and ganging up on each other. I’ve learned to chill but there are still posters here that won’t talk to me 😁

Zach Randolph arguments were pretty nuts