This is what many people see in Trump. They see seeds of facist uprising. The distain for media, highly educated, and science by those without knowledge of such things is fueled by speeches where he wants the votes.

Im not here to debate this. I would vote for Biden in a coma before I vote for trump.
I don't hate republicans. I hate what maga has done to that party. Dumbing it down.
Vance called Trump "Americas Hitler". Trump saw that as a compliment? Oye.

Nalod wrote:"Make American Great Again" when asked by some are times in history that included political assassinations.
There would have been great irony had Trump not survived.
Im baffled by the "Blame the Media" rhetoric. Did Media buy a gun? Did Media pull the trigger?
Trump is truly "bulletproof".
He wants to get rid of the IRS that is after him?
Trump is the classic rich kid bully. How the struggling white lower masses came to love this guy is incredible.

They have made themselves into profit centers based on giving out sold opinions while tying to play the News role and misleading their viewers. Some have flat out lied. I wouldn’t call them part of the solution or honest brokers of what they purportedly are providing to America.

Why are you baffled by this? Are your expectations that low?

GustavBahler wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Maddog, I'm sorry you've been given such a hard time. But respectfully, the Republican party changed with the arrival of Newt Gingrich, and George HW Bush's embrace of evangelicals. Picking one as his running mate. It was a purely political calculation, that started their eventual takeover of the GOP.

. Hey Gustav! No problem. Like I said i like everyone in here and it’s a great forum. I understand I can’t Change anyone’s mind on here and I am not trying to. Even though I’m extremely critical of the Democratic Party I just wanted to let it be known that I never hold that against anyone on here and how they feel. The great thing about this country is that we can have different views and it shouldn’t change how we feel about somebody as a person. To be honest I’ve been treated pretty well on this topic. I knew this is a sensitive topic and I know the site leans left but for the most part I’ve been treated pretty good which I appreciate

Glad to hear it. Politics aside, we're all Knicks fans here and thats all that matters.

. Absolutely!

Forgot to mention that Ive been critical of the Democratic Party as well, got into some heated exchanges about the Clintons and their "triangulation". Turning the party away from organized labor, the middle class, and more towards Wall Street.

Nalod wrote:"Make American Great Again" when asked by some are times in history that included political assassinations.
There would have been great irony had Trump not survived.
Im baffled by the "Blame the Media" rhetoric. Did Media buy a gun? Did Media pull the trigger?
Trump is truly "bulletproof".
He wants to get rid of the IRS that is after him?
Trump is the classic rich kid bully. How the struggling white lower masses came to love this guy is incredible.

Trump and the many behind the scenes that prop him up knew something quite basic.
First, there are many that feel minorities are all uneducated, criminals. Many who have Nazi views. Many who feel women are no equals.
Second, they knew that most uneducated people struggling like to blame others for their plight.
Third, when all fails, pretend you are committed to religion.
The MAGA movement has done a great job amplifying those points to grab its base.
Trump learned from David Duke. Who tried to dress up the racist foundation of his platform. There are many out there, unfortunately, who have racist undertones. MAGA just needed to bring along the ones on the fence.

Some MAGA saying Trump represent conservative values is par for the course. Since it would be hard for them to state the true reasons without reproach on a NY forum.

The hypocrisy with MAGA runs deep. Christians standing by Trump despite Trump being the farthest from Christ like. Pornstars, seeing no reason to help those in need, making fun of others.

One of the biggest fears for me when Trump got elected was the division he would create. It’s here.
Problem is, too many clones have been created who see the playbook. Breed hate and take advantage of the tones mentioned above in many. Regardless if Trump is around, this is here to stay for a long long time now.

Thankful the shooter missed. Can only imagine the strengthening of the movement if Trump was made a martyr.

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:"Make American Great Again" when asked by some are times in history that included political assassinations.
There would have been great irony had Trump not survived.
Im baffled by the "Blame the Media" rhetoric. Did Media buy a gun? Did Media pull the trigger?
Trump is truly "bulletproof".
He wants to get rid of the IRS that is after him?
Trump is the classic rich kid bully. How the struggling white lower masses came to love this guy is incredible.

Trump and the many behind the scenes that prop him up knew something quite basic.
First, there are many that feel minorities are all uneducated, criminals. Many who have Nazi views. Many who feel women are no equals.
Second, they knew that most uneducated people struggling like to blame others for their plight.
Third, when all fails, pretend you are committed to religion.
The MAGA movement has done a great job amplifying those points to grab its base.
Trump learned from David Duke. Who tried to dress up the racist foundation of his platform. There are many out there, unfortunately, who have racist undertones. MAGA just needed to bring along the ones on the fence.

Some MAGA saying Trump represent conservative values is par for the course. Since it would be hard for them to state the true reasons without reproach on a NY forum.

The hypocrisy with MAGA runs deep. Christians standing by Trump despite Trump being the farthest from Christ like. Pornstars, seeing no reason to help those in need, making fun of others.

One of the biggest fears for me when Trump got elected was the division he would create. It’s here.
Problem is, too many clones have been created who see the playbook. Breed hate and take advantage of the tones mentioned above in many. Regardless if Trump is around, this is here to stay for a long long time now.

Thankful the shooter missed. Can only imagine the strengthening of the movement if Trump was made a martyr.

. The shooter didn’t miss unfortunately. An innocent man lost his life.

You are right. Feel horrible for him and his family.
Another case of mentally ill having access to forearms.
Saw how the kid was heavily bullied in school. Which is pretty common nowadays considering so many in the media and politics have made it acceptable to do so. Many who are suppose to be role models.

Shooter missing should have been shooter missed Trump. As I thought “martyr” comment suggested.

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:"Make American Great Again" when asked by some are times in history that included political assassinations.
There would have been great irony had Trump not survived.
Im baffled by the "Blame the Media" rhetoric. Did Media buy a gun? Did Media pull the trigger?
Trump is truly "bulletproof".
He wants to get rid of the IRS that is after him?
Trump is the classic rich kid bully. How the struggling white lower masses came to love this guy is incredible.

Trump and the many behind the scenes that prop him up knew something quite basic.
First, there are many that feel minorities are all uneducated, criminals. Many who have Nazi views. Many who feel women are no equals.
Second, they knew that most uneducated people struggling like to blame others for their plight.
Third, when all fails, pretend you are committed to religion.
The MAGA movement has done a great job amplifying those points to grab its base.
Trump learned from David Duke. Who tried to dress up the racist foundation of his platform. There are many out there, unfortunately, who have racist undertones. MAGA just needed to bring along the ones on the fence.

Some MAGA saying Trump represent conservative values is par for the course. Since it would be hard for them to state the true reasons without reproach on a NY forum.

The hypocrisy with MAGA runs deep. Christians standing by Trump despite Trump being the farthest from Christ like. Pornstars, seeing no reason to help those in need, making fun of others.

One of the biggest fears for me when Trump got elected was the division he would create. It’s here.
Problem is, too many clones have been created who see the playbook. Breed hate and take advantage of the tones mentioned above in many. Regardless if Trump is around, this is here to stay for a long long time now.

Thankful the shooter missed. Can only imagine the strengthening of the movement if Trump was made a martyr.

. The shooter didn’t miss unfortunately. An innocent man lost his life.

You are right. Feel horrible for him and his family.
Another case of mentally ill having access to forearms.
Saw how the kid was heavily bullied in school. Which is pretty common nowadays with all the ones who have made it acceptable in the media and politics. All who are role models.

Shooter missing should have been shooter missed Trump. As I thought “martyr” comment suggested.

. No matter your feelings about Trump you should be happy he missed Trump just on a human level not because it would make him a martyr. Look I think Biden and Obama have done horrendous damage as Presidents but if they same thing happened to one of them I would be happy they survived because they are still people and I feel it would’ve been horrific as a nation

What kind of idiot level drivel is this?

Maddog, no thanks.

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:"Make American Great Again" when asked by some are times in history that included political assassinations.
There would have been great irony had Trump not survived.
Im baffled by the "Blame the Media" rhetoric. Did Media buy a gun? Did Media pull the trigger?
Trump is truly "bulletproof".
He wants to get rid of the IRS that is after him?
Trump is the classic rich kid bully. How the struggling white lower masses came to love this guy is incredible.

Trump and the many behind the scenes that prop him up knew something quite basic.
First, there are many that feel minorities are all uneducated, criminals. Many who have Nazi views. Many who feel women are no equals.
Second, they knew that most uneducated people struggling like to blame others for their plight.
Third, when all fails, pretend you are committed to religion.
The MAGA movement has done a great job amplifying those points to grab its base.
Trump learned from David Duke. Who tried to dress up the racist foundation of his platform. There are many out there, unfortunately, who have racist undertones. MAGA just needed to bring along the ones on the fence.

Some MAGA saying Trump represent conservative values is par for the course. Since it would be hard for them to state the true reasons without reproach on a NY forum.

The hypocrisy with MAGA runs deep. Christians standing by Trump despite Trump being the farthest from Christ like. Pornstars, seeing no reason to help those in need, making fun of others.

One of the biggest fears for me when Trump got elected was the division he would create. It’s here.
Problem is, too many clones have been created who see the playbook. Breed hate and take advantage of the tones mentioned above in many. Regardless if Trump is around, this is here to stay for a long long time now.

Thankful the shooter missed. Can only imagine the strengthening of the movement if Trump was made a martyr.

. The shooter didn’t miss unfortunately. An innocent man lost his life.

You are right. Feel horrible for him and his family.
Another case of mentally ill having access to forearms.
Saw how the kid was heavily bullied in school. Which is pretty common nowadays with all the ones who have made it acceptable in the media and politics. All who are role models.

Shooter missing should have been shooter missed Trump. As I thought “martyr” comment suggested.

. No matter your feelings about Trump you should be happy he missed Trump just on a human level not because it would make him a martyr. Look I think Biden and Obama have done horrendous damage as Presidents but if they same thing happened to one of them I would be happy they survived because they are still people and I feel it would’ve been horrific as a nation

You are doing what I feel have been programmed to do by the far right (MAGA). Which is what I said I feared the most. You assumed that I only wanted Trump to survive not because he is a human being but ONLY so he would not become a martyr? Divisive propaganda and hate speech teaches us to see the worst in others. Saying I am glad he missed Trump because one of the probable outcomes is that the part of his base that are far right and conspiracy centered would have gone to a new hate level once they had their martyr.

Typical when you talk to people today who have lost all sense of logic or discourse. They look to attack any possible difference instead of listening and finding common ground. Which is what the far right playbook has become.

Btw, you said you were a traditional conservative? I remember Reagan’s speech about the Berlin Wall.
Did you ever hear it? Think that was what conservatives were.
And can you tell me how the country is so bad today? Stock market at all time highs, unemployment at all time lows, the value of our houses are at all time highs. Most educated people that I know, are living extremely well. Most small cities have grown and prospered. You don’t see many “up and coming” areas anymore. They all came.
But if you list them maybe we can have a convo about each one.
Really want to know what you feel Obama and Biden did so bad?

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:"Make American Great Again" when asked by some are times in history that included political assassinations.
There would have been great irony had Trump not survived.
Im baffled by the "Blame the Media" rhetoric. Did Media buy a gun? Did Media pull the trigger?
Trump is truly "bulletproof".
He wants to get rid of the IRS that is after him?
Trump is the classic rich kid bully. How the struggling white lower masses came to love this guy is incredible.

Trump and the many behind the scenes that prop him up knew something quite basic.
First, there are many that feel minorities are all uneducated, criminals. Many who have Nazi views. Many who feel women are no equals.
Second, they knew that most uneducated people struggling like to blame others for their plight.
Third, when all fails, pretend you are committed to religion.
The MAGA movement has done a great job amplifying those points to grab its base.
Trump learned from David Duke. Who tried to dress up the racist foundation of his platform. There are many out there, unfortunately, who have racist undertones. MAGA just needed to bring along the ones on the fence.

Some MAGA saying Trump represent conservative values is par for the course. Since it would be hard for them to state the true reasons without reproach on a NY forum.

The hypocrisy with MAGA runs deep. Christians standing by Trump despite Trump being the farthest from Christ like. Pornstars, seeing no reason to help those in need, making fun of others.

One of the biggest fears for me when Trump got elected was the division he would create. It’s here.
Problem is, too many clones have been created who see the playbook. Breed hate and take advantage of the tones mentioned above in many. Regardless if Trump is around, this is here to stay for a long long time now.

Thankful the shooter missed. Can only imagine the strengthening of the movement if Trump was made a martyr.

. The shooter didn’t miss unfortunately. An innocent man lost his life.

You are right. Feel horrible for him and his family.
Another case of mentally ill having access to forearms.
Saw how the kid was heavily bullied in school. Which is pretty common nowadays with all the ones who have made it acceptable in the media and politics. All who are role models.

Shooter missing should have been shooter missed Trump. As I thought “martyr” comment suggested.

. No matter your feelings about Trump you should be happy he missed Trump just on a human level not because it would make him a martyr. Look I think Biden and Obama have done horrendous damage as Presidents but if they same thing happened to one of them I would be happy they survived because they are still people and I feel it would’ve been horrific as a nation

You are doing what I feel have been programmed to do by the far right (MAGA). Which is what I said I feared the most. You assumed that I only wanted Trump to survive not because he is a human being but ONLY so he would not become a martyr? Divisive propaganda and hate speech teaches us to see the worst in others. Saying I am glad he missed Trump because one of the probable outcomes is that the part of his base that are far right and conspiracy centered would have gone to a new hate level once they had their martyr.

Typical when you talk to people today who have lost all sense of logic or discourse. They look to attack any possible difference instead of listening and finding common ground. Which is what the far right playbook has become.

Btw, you said you were a traditional conservative? I remember Reagan’s speech about the Berlin Wall.
Did you ever hear it? Think that was what conservatives were.
And can you tell me how the country is so bad today? Stock market at all time highs, unemployment at all time lows, the value of our houses are at all time highs. Most educated people that I know, are living extremely well. Most small cities have grown and prospered. You don’t see many “up and coming” areas anymore. They all came.
But if you list them maybe we can have a convo about each one.
Really want to know what you feel Obama and Biden did so bad?

For clarity, all the Trump supporters I know are MAGA. That is half the Country, give or take.
You think half the Country is far right? Seems way extreme.

Nalod wrote:Inflation started from the pandemic and the financial hand outs were under the Trump admin.
High gas prices? They were low, then went high. Global supply and demand. WE don't have state owned oil companies.
Trump did not fix border issues. Its a humanity crisis and its global.
Sexuality in schools? Implanted? thats on the commnity school systems, not federal.
Your daughter gets raped, well tough luck if Vance has his way, she gonna carry her rapist baby daddy to term. You daughter gets preganant, has an issue, she cannot determine her fate. or her husband. or her father. Nope, the state does.
LBGT were it don't belong? "all men are created equal". DO you understand how little that is as a % of our population?
Your kids won't be gay because LBGT have rights.
These are not issues for the executive branch. They are issues to plug you in and make you vote.
Trump did not fix these things in his term.
Biden did not create inflation, and politicians don't fix it. Its the economy.
Trump wanted to get rid of "Obama care'>> funny thing is people like the Affordable care act. He never could tell us a better alternative.
Trump told you Obama was not an American citizen, Hilary was guilty, Drink bleach to kill Covid, women like to be grabbed by the *****, and he is quite fond of Putin.