gradyandrew wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:Biden is the lessor of evils when forced to vote.
If this is the best of what we can bring to a vote, then I go to the lessor of evil.

Then you have this self serving, say anything to appeal to gullible audience:https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/politics/fact-check-vivek-ramaswamy-the-atlantic-911-misquoted/index.html

Biden is actually a pretty decent president. He may be old and jumbles his words, but his brain and judgment seem to remain pretty sharp, or at least he has sharp people making decisions around him.

My biggest concern would be his VP. I am a bit surprised at how low-profile Kamala has been, which makes me wonder how ready she is to step in and provide determined leadership and direction.

My problem with Biden is that he is not going far enough in terms of expanding civil liberties, and that he does not seem to care about the ballooning government debt. In this regard Vivek is saying some things that resonate.

The thing for me is if it's Biden and Trump up on the debate stage there's no way Trump loses. Biden will look too old and with the inflation that will be enough to sink Joe in the election. Vivek is looking like the only guy who can save the country from another 4 years of Trump.

Trump isn't a viable candidate and should have long been arrested and thrown in jail. The fact that he still allowed to run just continues to expose how accountability has been completely stripped away at the top. We all saw him incite an insurrection. In an attempt to stop a peaceful transfer of power, in an election he lost. That alone is treason. Which is practically the biggest crime in politics. But even if his treason and stolen documents case are to complicated for people to follow. And you fall for the narrative that he was justified because the election was stolen(though proven wrong in court multiple times over these past years). And this is all just the Democrats looking to tie him up in court for election interference(Even though its all Republican who are testifying in order to avoid their own charges)

Dude was found guilty of sexual assault and ordered to pay $5 million in damages for it a couple months ago. That isn't to complicated for the average joe to grasp. Though watching treason live on television shouldn't be either. If his sexual assault conviction isn't hammered home at every chance by his opponents. What are they even doing? Honestly the fact that it hasn't buried him as soon as he was convicted. And his political opponents haven't flooded the airways painting him as the rapist he is already is a misstep.

With all that said even if he is able to run, does run and doesn't get thrown in jail from the 4 indictments and 91 crimes and counting with a RICO being one of them. One thing the midterms have shown is that young people are starting to vote and they are favoring Democratic views. They are going to vote for environment and right to choose. Which is why GOP now want to raise the age limit knowing this can sway elections going forward.

I don't see what Trump has done since losing to Biden other than catch charges for rape, treason & obstruction to beat him out this time. The only variable is the level of racism, ignorance, and stupidity of American people which Trump represents as their champion.

Getting convicted of a crime is a lot harder than getting elected. Remember the rape conviction was a civil suit in New York and it's still on appeal. I'm just trying to picture jury selection in Georgia. How do you find 12 people who don't have an opinion one way or another?

The nation is too divided to handle another Trump run.

Due to already being convicted of rape that "should" eliminate anyone from being able to run. If he were to win the appeal putting the trial back on. Then I could see the case for him being able to run. But that would be Democracy which he and his base tried to overthrow.

He attempted a coup live on television. There should already be grounds for withholding him from being able to run until he is able to clear himself from treason. But this just me saying what should be due to the nature of treason and the position he is looking to obtain. And surprised and alarmed that this isn't already the case.

And again just through the game of politics alone even if you weren't someone morally inclined. The fact that it isn't hammered home that the biggest threat in Trump has been convicted of rape to the American public is a grave misstep. His base isn't going to care. But you want to ensure anyone who for some reason is on the fence is clearly aware.

It was a civil suit, not a criminal case. The Constitution is clear about what offenses bar someone from holding the presidency. Don't hold your breath expecting a Georgia jury to come back with a conviction for insurrection.

The problem is that the Dems have made an 8 year campaign trying to convince American voters that Trump is a villain while ignoring that a lot of Americans agree with what he says. Every time the argument boils down to "Trump voters are idiots who don't know what's good for them" the Dems lose.

Trump is not on trial in GA for "insurrection"...he's charged with specific crimes under RICO statutes and is obviously guilty of many of them, with the type of rock solid evidence you can't walk away from (i.e., the phone call). His ONLY chance of avoiding a GA prison is to win the election.

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.

Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.

Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"

I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting

man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore

Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.

Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people ****ting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?

That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.

Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.

Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.

Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"

I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting

man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore

Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.

Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people ****ting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?

That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.

Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.

Don't think Christie and Hutchenson agreed. Note that the others are all likely pandering for cabinet or VP slots. Politicans pretty much suck in more ways than one.

On a separate note, I've seen Vivek on CNBC interviews prior to this candidacy. Climate change denier with little substance and no governing, global foreign affairs etc... experience. Always thought of him as another self aggrendizing flim flam artist.

You are right. Christie did a half wave and Hutchenson did not raise hand. Christie probably couldn't lift his arm up high enough and fast enough because of the near death COVID experience he went through from when Trump purposely breathed on him during that 4-hour closed and close room debate prep. Muther****er nearly and quite possibly purposely killed Christie but Chris is not enthusiastic enough to not want that person to be his representative? lol

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martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.

Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.

Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"

I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting

man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore

Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.

Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people ****ting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?

That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.

Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.

Don't think Christie and Hutchenson agreed. Note that the others are all likely pandering for cabinet or VP slots. Politicans pretty much suck in more ways than one.

On a separate note, I've seen Vivek on CNBC interviews prior to this candidacy. Climate change denier with little substance and no governing, global foreign affairs etc... experience. Always thought of him as another self aggrendizing flim flam artist.

You are right. Christie did a half wave and Hutchenson did not raise hand. Christie probably couldn't lift his arm up high enough and fast enough because of the near death COVID experience he went through from when Trump purposely breathed on him during that 4-hour closed and close room debate prep. Muther****er nearly and quite possibly purposely killed Christie but Chris is not enthusiastic enough to not want that person to be his representative? lol

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Notice how Desantis had to wait to see how the others were going to vote and how the crowed was responding first.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Where Briggs to further defend his guy ?

Rather he not, as he most likely will only touch on how well spoken he comes across &/or agreeing with trash culture war anti woke ideals since actual quality policy is lacking.

BRIGGS isn't responsible for this creep. Sometimes you form an opinion too soon before things go off the rail (or as martin put it, you fall for the con). But after hearing Vivek speak for the first time last night, I want to revisit one statement from the original post:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needs

I didn't hear one thing last night from Vivek that could be confused as centric. He even seemed to be going too far for the other republicans on the stage. What positions of his did you think were more moderate leaning? Did he just reverse course on the topics?

MaTT4281 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Where Briggs to further defend his guy ?

Rather he not, as he most likely will only touch on how well spoken he comes across &/or agreeing with trash culture war anti woke ideals since actual quality policy is lacking.

BRIGGS isn't responsible for this creep. Sometimes you form an opinion too soon before things go off the rail. But after hearing Vivek speak for the first time last night, I want to revisit one statement from the original post:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needs

I didn't hear one thing last night from Vivek that could be confused as centric. He even seemed to be going too far for the other republicans on the stage. What positions of his did you think were more moderate leaning? Did he just reverse course on the topics?

I think Briggs meant that he looked "centric". He started by stealing one of Obama's best lines, so that's probably no accident. Suggest some very regressive policies while looking "centric". Big Smile!

Briggs,

May I suggest that when you hear Vivek suggest what some would consider "feel good" policies. That you use your business man's intellect, and think about how these policies might go wrong and bite us in our collective arses down the road.

martin wrote:This is the channel that millions of Republican votes get their information from. It is hard process to combat the disinformation day after day and week after week after week. Just chasing an infinite loop of performative ignorance.

There are enough Americans who are AOK with making money and spreading utter and complete nonsense. I think most people are at least in the realm of WTF on this specific litter box storyline but enough are not and eat it up and it then bounces to real world issues and muddies up the waters of discussion and discourse and compromise.

We as a country and humanity are not heading in a good direction and it is at the complete willingness of our neighbors and fellow Americans who don't give a **** and will walk away with some extra cash in pocket.

There is not enough of a moral line with some people.

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