GustavBahler wrote:Game Ball(s) go to Hart and ScoreTodd

Naw, I refuse to give ScoreTodd a pat on the head for mediocre effort. He definitely slacked off a bit near the end. Scorebot always gave a consistent effort. Anyway, any updates on the scorebot missing persons investigation.?

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                    1    2    3    4     T
                   --   --   --   --   ---
Jazz 28-30         28   28   28   36   120
Knicks 31-27       33   29   25   39   126
STARTERS              MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
J. Clarkson G           39    24  10-23    1-8    3-3    2    4    6    3    3    0    0    3   -4
C. Sexton G             30    15   6-12    1-4    2-5    1    1    2    5    2    0    0    6  -13
L. Markkanen F          34    29   9-23   3-10   8-10    4    1    5    3    0    0    3    1    1
K. Olynyk F             26    11    4-7    1-3    2-2    0    3    3    1    1    1    0    5    1
W. Kessler C            35     4    2-3    0-0    0-0    4   11   15    1    1    0    2    3    0
BENCH                 MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
T. Horton-Tucker        27    23   8-12    1-3    6-8    0    2    2    7    1    1    1    2   -4
O. Agbaji               19     5    2-2    1-1    0-0    0    1    1    1    0    0    0    1    6
R. Gay                  13     9    4-5    1-2    0-0    0    2    2    1    2    1    0    2   -7
U. Azubuike              9     0    0-0    0-0    0-0    0    2    2    1    0    0    1    0   -4
S. Fontecchio            4     0    0-1    0-1    0-0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1   -6
J. Juzang              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
J. Toscano-Anderson    DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
L. Bolmaro             DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
D. Jones               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
STARTERS              MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
J. Brunson G            38    38  11-22    2-5  14-15    0    3    3    5    1    1    0    2    4
Q. Grimes G             22     1    0-3    0-2    1-2    0    1    1    1    1    0    1    0    1
R. Barrett F            33    20   6-15    2-6    6-8    1    5    6    3    1    0    0    6    6
J. Randle F             38    31  12-26   3-11    4-5    1    5    6    2    1    0    0    2    4
J. Sims C               23     2    1-5    0-0    0-0    5    5   10    1    0    0    1    4   -3
BENCH                 MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
J. Hart                 25    11    3-6    2-3    3-4    4    3    7    4    1    4    0    4    5
I. Hartenstein          24     6    3-5    0-0    0-0    6    8   14    1    0    0    1    3    9
I. Quickley             23    15    6-9    3-6    0-2    3    2    5    1    1    1    1    3    2
O. Toppin                9     2    1-4    0-3    0-2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    2
D. Rose                DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
M. McBride             DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
T. Keels               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
D. Jeffries            DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
E. Fournier            DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -

HofstraBBall wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

jamp wrote:Hart just stole Grimes job

It's just one game. But Q needed to show out a bit. Defend a little better shoot a little better but nothing. I know if my team just traded for a guy my size with my metrics that does what I do better than I do, it would light a fire up my ass.

Grimes will have games where he has it going and closes.
Having two way guys like Hart, Grimes and IQ makes the team better.
We now need more from Obi.

I agree. I admittedly am not as high on Grimes as some guys-I see a high level 3 and D guy, maybe 1 or 2 all star appearances....guy like Starks maybe or Bobby Phills. But that is just me. He is definitely a 2 way player. I agree the more 2 way guys a team has the better.

Obi needs to be less dependant on others setting him up and try to show what he can donwithin the flow of the game (he is getting his opportunities)

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

jamp wrote:Hart just stole Grimes job

It's just one game. But Q needed to show out a bit. Defend a little better shoot a little better but nothing. I know if my team just traded for a guy my size with my metrics that does what I do better than I do, it would light a fire up my ass.

Grimes will have games where he has it going and closes.
Having two way guys like Hart, Grimes and IQ makes the team better.
We now need more from Obi.

Yeah and we can start by passing him the ball when he's open.

True. That would have given him 4 points instead of 2.
Obi has to do more. Rebound, lose balls, defend, create, drive and set up shooters. Something.

NYKMentality wrote:Excited to see Josh Hart's New York Knicks debut @ MSG and hoping for his relentless defense, aggressive rebounding, offensive efficiency and fast break/transition game to be everything as advertised.

Josh Hart is everything as advertised.
Relentless Defense = ✓.
Aggressive Rebounder = ✓.
Offensive Efficiency = ✓.
Fast break/transition electricity = ✓.
Playmaker for others = ✓.

Josh Hart's New York Knicks Debut:
25 Minutes
11 Points..
7 Rebounds
4 Assists
4 Steals
WIN (1-0).

I'm already so freaking fired up (moving forward).

Knixkik wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

jamp wrote:Hart just stole Grimes job

It's just one game. But Q needed to show out a bit. Defend a little better shoot a little better but nothing. I know if my team just traded for a guy my size with my metrics that does what I do better than I do, it would light a fire up my ass.

Grimes will have games where he has it going and closes.
Having two way guys like Hart, Grimes and IQ makes the team better.
We now need more from Obi.

I agree. I admittedly am not as high on Grimes as some guys-I see a high level 3 and D guy, maybe 1 or 2 all star appearances....guy like Starks maybe or Bobby Phills. But that is just me. He is definitely a 2 way player. I agree the more 2 way guys a team has the better.

Obi needs to be less dependant on others setting him up and try to show what he can donwithin the flow of the game (he is getting his opportunities)

If you expect allstar appearances from grimes than you are higher on him than most.

I expect 1 maybe 2...that is peak if everything goes right and he is the best version of himself.

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

jamp wrote:Hart just stole Grimes job

It's just one game. But Q needed to show out a bit. Defend a little better shoot a little better but nothing. I know if my team just traded for a guy my size with my metrics that does what I do better than I do, it would light a fire up my ass.

Grimes will have games where he has it going and closes.
Having two way guys like Hart, Grimes and IQ makes the team better.
We now need more from Obi.

Yeah and we can start by passing him the ball when he's open.

That was RJ that missed him wide open under the basket, right?

Folks kill Obi, but I think his problem is we don't seem to create opportunities for him to cut to the basket. All our passes are easy, on the perimiter. Nothing that tries to probe and attack the basket.

I'm glad we saw Hart & Obi connect.

Josh Hart put up some nice stats against the Utah Jazz, I was hoping to see Josh Hart defend the 76ers Maxey, Niang, and Harris like Cam Reddish did for a Knicks win.

However, only in the New NBA you would see a 6.3 forward Josh Hart ..
Back in the Daze a player like SF-Bird, SF-Barkley, SF Pippen, and the Big-SG Jordan, Drexler, Miller would all have 60 pt games having Josh Hart defend them.

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

jamp wrote:Hart just stole Grimes job

It's just one game. But Q needed to show out a bit. Defend a little better shoot a little better but nothing. I know if my team just traded for a guy my size with my metrics that does what I do better than I do, it would light a fire up my ass.

Grimes will have games where he has it going and closes.
Having two way guys like Hart, Grimes and IQ makes the team better.
We now need more from Obi.

I agree. I admittedly am not as high on Grimes as some guys-I see a high level 3 and D guy, maybe 1 or 2 all star appearances....guy like Starks maybe or Bobby Phills. But that is just me. He is definitely a 2 way player. I agree the more 2 way guys a team has the better.

Obi needs to be less dependant on others setting him up and try to show what he can donwithin the flow of the game (he is getting his opportunities)

If you expect allstar appearances from grimes than you are higher on him than most.

I expect 1 maybe 2...that is peak if everything goes right and he is the best version of himself.

Look at the type of season Brunson is having an he’s not an allstar. Do you see a scenario where Grimes has a season anywhere close to Brunson?

No. None. Grimes will never score at the level Brunson is scoring at. My very strong opinion. I see Grimes as a a level lower than Allan Houstonn/Latrell Sprewell. Maybe Kerry Kittles?

Here's my thing, and once again I could be wrong. I know the metrics say otherwise, but I think his defense is not that great. He will hopefully grow out of the bone head mistakes. And I don't think henis a smart defender either. Some defenders break down defense to an art form. I don't think that's Grimes. He looks like a reactive defender. An above average reactive defender, but just that. Nothing else about him really stands out.

Go check out Brunsons stats during his second year, let us know if he matches up to this type of output.

This is just the top of the iceberg

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Who cares about Brunson's stats in this conversation? Isn't there a thread where everyone was just roasting someone for using Kobe's stats to promote RJ? I said in that thread using another player's development to chart a different player's development is stupid.

Brunson is a totally different player with totally different skills which ia why I dont see him having a season like Brunson. I've also already said that my is my opinion of Grimes. I could very well be wrong. I even said in the post you quoted it is what I personally see.