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BigDaddyG
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1/30/2023  6:59 PM
Some interesting (and by interesting I mean scary) OG stats. Wish he posted more info on how this compares to prior years. Also, surprised that RJ only made top 5 on one of these lists:



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1/30/2023  7:08 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Some interesting (and by interesting I mean scary) OG stats. Wish he posted more info on how this compares to prior years. Also, surprised that RJ only made top 5 on one of these lists:



This is a stat hack job. Among the worst stat stuffing I’ve ever seen. Assassination attempt.

I actually looked at these numbers this morning and OG takes like 17% of his shots as pull up jumpers. Meanwhile his 3PT shooting off the pass is like 40%. Catch and shoot. I’m not looking for another ball handler.

He shoots 55% from less than 10 feet and 36% from 3.

He generally doesn’t dribble. Catch and shoot. 2 or 3 dribbles if he is making a move.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628384/shots-dash

Kind a nonsense attack here. Let’s focus on what he is, not what he isn’t.

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1/30/2023  7:24 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Some interesting (and by interesting I mean scary) OG stats. Wish he posted more info on how this compares to prior years. Also, surprised that RJ only made top 5 on one of these lists:



This is a stat hack job. Among the worst stat stuffing I’ve ever seen. Assassination attempt.

I actually looked at these numbers this morning and OG takes like 17% of his shots as pull up jumpers. Meanwhile his 3PT shooting off the pass is like 40%. Catch and shoot. I’m not looking for another ball handler.

He shoots 55% from less than 10 feet and 36% from 3.

He generally doesn’t dribble. Catch and shoot. 2 or 3 dribbles if he is making a move.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628384/shots-dash

Kind a nonsense attack here. Let’s focus on what he is, not what he isn’t.


The thing is, I believe this team needs another ball handler in this current offense. It's way to easy to double JB and Randle and I think they need an Alpha dog creator. Two first rounders is my limit.
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1/30/2023  7:27 PM
For what it’s worth, if the Knicks got OG without getting rid of Barrett or grimes, let’s say Toppin, Reddish, Svi and picks for OG, Knicks would definitely go to an 8-man rotation. Mitch and Hartenstein would do their regular center rotation but IQ and Grimes would occupy all of the minutes behind Brunson, Barrett, OG and Randle. OG would be backup 4 when Randle is out. Grimes and IQ would play their 28-30 mins each.
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1/30/2023  7:46 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Some interesting (and by interesting I mean scary) OG stats. Wish he posted more info on how this compares to prior years. Also, surprised that RJ only made top 5 on one of these lists:



This is a stat hack job. Among the worst stat stuffing I’ve ever seen. Assassination attempt.

I actually looked at these numbers this morning and OG takes like 17% of his shots as pull up jumpers. Meanwhile his 3PT shooting off the pass is like 40%. Catch and shoot. I’m not looking for another ball handler.

He shoots 55% from less than 10 feet and 36% from 3.

He generally doesn’t dribble. Catch and shoot. 2 or 3 dribbles if he is making a move.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628384/shots-dash

Kind a nonsense attack here. Let’s focus on what he is, not what he isn’t.


The thing is, I believe this team needs another ball handler in this current offense. It's way to easy to double JB and Randle and I think they need an Alpha dog creator. Two first rounders is my limit.

I mean, I would prefer a younger healthy Kawhi Leonard also.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle-leaders

But this guy is a defensive effort guy that doesn’t need the ball to be effective. 6’8 catch and shoot guy with a 7’2 wingspan.

If Devin Booker becomes available, I’m all in. But this guy would add real value here.

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1/30/2023  9:26 PM
I think I'd be more comfortable going after someone in the Jalen McDaniels price range

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1/30/2023  11:26 PM
Well said. OG, Grimes, and Brunson are solid role players on a championship team with Quick, Mitch, and Simms supporting. Brunson has been great and Grimes has a lot of potential. Julius is having an incredible year. We are moving in the right direction and have a nice team. Julius is a 4th or at best 3rd option on a contender (but our #1 option). What this team is really missing is a franchise superstar player. One who can carry us in the 4th quarter, with playmaking, getting stops, making the right decisions, isolation at the end. We can either hope to draft one or somehow become the mid 2000's Pistons, although I'm not sure we have the personnel.
MS wrote:Young guys that play hard is what we need.

You can find Grimes, Quick, Mitch, Simms every draft.

We can’t draft for **** in the top 10. Honestly we still have RJ, Obi, picks and Julius to move if need be. You need soldiers out there and OG, Grimes and Brunson are it.
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1/31/2023  7:19 AM
He will be an UFA just like Mitch was as a second round pick, so you will also have to be comfortable resigning him or letting him walk?

BigDaddyG wrote:I think I'd be more comfortable going after someone in the Jalen McDaniels price range

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1/31/2023  7:28 AM
martin wrote:He will be an UFA just like Mitch was as a second round pick, so you will also have to be comfortable resigning him or letting him walk?

BigDaddyG wrote:I think I'd be more comfortable going after someone in the Jalen McDaniels price range

Also, his AAV is below the MLE, so it is likely someone with a non-taxpayer exception is going to overbid with full MLE.

OG, you are getting a more complete player and have a full year left on his contract to work out extension.

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1/31/2023  7:52 AM
Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.
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1/31/2023  7:57 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:He will be an UFA just like Mitch was as a second round pick, so you will also have to be comfortable resigning him or letting him walk?

BigDaddyG wrote:I think I'd be more comfortable going after someone in the Jalen McDaniels price range

Also, his AAV is below the MLE, so it is likely someone with a non-taxpayer exception is going to overbid with full MLE.

OG, you are getting a more complete player and have a full year left on his contract to work out extension.


OG could potentially cost twice as much as Jalen. I don't think he's 2X the player. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. If the Detroit protected pick is all it took for McDaniels, I think I would do it.
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1/31/2023  7:58 AM
Rookie wrote:Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2017-18

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1/31/2023  7:58 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:He will be an UFA just like Mitch was as a second round pick, so you will also have to be comfortable resigning him or letting him walk?

BigDaddyG wrote:I think I'd be more comfortable going after someone in the Jalen McDaniels price range

Also, his AAV is below the MLE, so it is likely someone with a non-taxpayer exception is going to overbid with full MLE.

OG, you are getting a more complete player and have a full year left on his contract to work out extension.


OG could potentially cost twice as much as Jalen. I don't think he's 2X the player. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. If the Detroit protected pick is all it took for McDaniels, I think I would do it.

Don't quite understand that rationale?

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1/31/2023  8:07 AM
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Rookie wrote:Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2017-18

Thanks man, there is no data. I guess he didn’t attend.
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1/31/2023  8:31 AM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:He will be an UFA just like Mitch was as a second round pick, so you will also have to be comfortable resigning him or letting him walk?

BigDaddyG wrote:I think I'd be more comfortable going after someone in the Jalen McDaniels price range

Also, his AAV is below the MLE, so it is likely someone with a non-taxpayer exception is going to overbid with full MLE.

OG, you are getting a more complete player and have a full year left on his contract to work out extension.


OG could potentially cost twice as much as Jalen. I don't think he's 2X the player. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. If the Detroit protected pick is all it took for McDaniels, I think I would do it.

Don't quite understand that rationale?

I don't see the point in putting $1,000 rims on a beat up Cutlass Supreme. I'd wait until I had a more functional vehicle. If you need rims, just go to the junkyard and find something to get you by until you get the vehicle you really want.

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martin wrote:All I know is that I’d consider Tyrese Maxey a more productive player than RJ and he doesn’t seem to be bad off bench for Philly.

But you also know that James Harden is leading the league in Assists and is back to being MVP like and Surefire HOF. HE plays with that Embiid fella and the chemistry for the team who is surging in the east is working.
I alluded that RJ off the bench if contending is a thing. Rivers had a inkling this could work with guys on the roster. We talking a trade.
Melton proved to be a better fit. We are guessing OG could be with RJ off the bench.
If we made that trade and it was not working, then yes, I’d experiment as PHilly did.
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Rookie wrote:Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.

Out of curiosity I read a Raptors message board. Eye opening. Most are more than willing to let him go. He is viewed as a super glue guy, who needs to know his role. One poster pointed out the Raptors defensive analytics decreased only a very small amount when OG sat vs when he played. Not once were the Knicks mentioned. Most were focused on Phoenix, and a some guys coveted Mikeal Bridges in the deal (at which point noone though you could get him for OG.

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Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2017-18

Thanks man, there is no data. I guess he didn’t attend.

Naw, he's there with some sick numbers. The 6.8 body fat percentage is obviously off, but the hands, wingspan and standing reach are good

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Rookie wrote:Can someone post OG’s combine numbers. I’m curious what kind of athleticism he has. I was reading that he could be under-utilised in Toronto locked into a role behind Siakam and Barnes.when asked about it he gave the ‘it is what it is’ response so I’m thinking he wants a bigger role going into his FA year.

Out of curiosity I read a Raptors message board. Eye opening. Most are more than willing to let him go. He is viewed as a super glue guy, who needs to know his role. One poster pointed out the Raptors defensive analytics decreased only a very small amount when OG sat vs when he played. Not once were the Knicks mentioned. Most were focused on Phoenix, and a some guys coveted Mikeal Bridges in the deal (at which point noone though you could get him for OG.

I checked out some Raptors message boards too. I think the general sentiment was that they'd love to keep him if accepted a limited role. From his standpoint, he already accepted a contract that undervalued him and he wants to cash in on his next deal.

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martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Rookie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.

No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...

I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?

To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.

Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.

What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points

We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.

RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.

For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.

For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.

Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.

In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.

Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?

How bad is RJ taking those shots compared to the rest of the league? For the minutes he plays? He gets to the line very well.
Is he improving or still wild?
I don’t imagine thibs likes when he loses his grip but is he wanting him to be aggressive? Its one thing to remark on the efforts vs. the outcome. Is Thibs telling him to go to the rim? We all have seen his 3pt % has improved the last two months and he is not shooting as many.
If not, there is a “communcatation problem”.
Similar, He wants Grimes to keep shooting. Again, the effort or the outcome? Grimes has hit a Shooting wall, Media asking Thibs about it. He answered.
The bar is set high by fans for RJ and the knicks. The ceiling is high. Thibs/Bryant job is to get him there. He is 22.
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