Perfect!

GustavBahler wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

MS wrote:Sums up the season. Every time they turn the corner they give it away.

Lack of execution, selfish play in the fourth, Randle forcing everything, holding the ball, no movement and guys standing around. Julius was unhinged out there. For as good as he has been there is that streak that just makes you nervous.

Thibs needs to find a way to stop playing guys 40 minutes.

It is possible to get Mitch an easy basket occasionally, get grimes a few shots. Can’t keep running the two man with Brunson and Randle all night.

You’re not allowed to say anything negative about Thibs mins distribution. It’s never thibs fault his players are tired 🤷‍♂️

Him doing that got the Knicks where they are record wise. Give a viable alternative instead of just complaining and the incessant too many minutes chatter turns into an actually viable discussion. I said it before first his rotation was too big and people complained to shorten it. He shortens it, they win, now people are worried about too many minutes to the top guys.

Give a viable alternative for this coach to play his top players less minutes and still get similar production from the team as a whole.

If you dont believe in a viable alternative, you have written off a lot of players. We have two PGs sitting, a few minutes in the first half to spell Brunson, would be worth trying again. Give Obi more minutes. Looks like he has his legs back. Run more offense through him. Get him some easy buckets at the rim early. Get his confidence going, then find him behind the arc.

What I dont understand is the notion that the rotation should stay fixed, even after it looks like its running into problems.

I'm not writing off anyone, but I'm also not complaining. Playing defense is what got the Knicks where they are and the players TT is playing are defensive players (except his big 3). Like I said, this rotation has the Knicks playing better than they have in a long time and now people are screaming to go back to what wasn't working before.

ToddTT wrote:At this rate, we won’t have home court advantage in any playoff series.

Perfect!

99 was like that- we won on the road in the play offs to advance.

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https://twitter.com/KnicksMuse/status/1615122971701420108

We shouldn’t have let it come down to the wire, but still.

VDesai wrote:Brunson not his typical self down the stretch. Was tired for sure. Knicks need a better strategy for back to backs

Thibs being way too stubborn. IQ only had 21 minutes off the bench and Obi just 11.

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:Brunson not his typical self down the stretch. Was tired for sure. Knicks need a better strategy for back to backs

Thibs being way too stubborn. IQ only had 21 minutes off the bench and Obi just 11.

IQ had foul trouble. Not his best game in terms of decision making, but some of those calls on him were BS.

franco12 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:Brunson not his typical self down the stretch. Was tired for sure. Knicks need a better strategy for back to backs

Thibs being way too stubborn. IQ only had 21 minutes off the bench and Obi just 11.

IQ had foul trouble. Not his best game in terms of decision making, but some of those calls on him were BS.

Our 2nd unit has been struggling to score- it was like that in the 2nd. They should look to feature Obi- he is the best offensive player in that unit, even with RJ.

I know it would never happen, but Randle should almost be in the 2nd unit and come off the bench.

How in any universe is he the best offensive player on that unit with Quickley and RJ playing heavy minutes there?

Per 36 minute Stats

Toppin -15.4 pts. 1.0 ast. 7.8 rebs. 40% FG%, 34% 3PT%, 84% FT%
Quickley-16.4 pts. 4.4 ast. 5.4 rebs. 42% FG%, 33% 3PT%, 84% FT%
Barrett -20.9 pts. 3.1 ast. 5.7 rebs. 42% FG%, 33% 3Pt%, 74% FT%

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2023.html

joec32033 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

MS wrote:Sums up the season. Every time they turn the corner they give it away.

Lack of execution, selfish play in the fourth, Randle forcing everything, holding the ball, no movement and guys standing around. Julius was unhinged out there. For as good as he has been there is that streak that just makes you nervous.

Thibs needs to find a way to stop playing guys 40 minutes.

It is possible to get Mitch an easy basket occasionally, get grimes a few shots. Can’t keep running the two man with Brunson and Randle all night.

You’re not allowed to say anything negative about Thibs mins distribution. It’s never thibs fault his players are tired 🤷‍♂️

Him doing that got the Knicks where they are record wise. Give a viable alternative instead of just complaining and the incessant too many minutes chatter turns into an actually viable discussion. I said it before first his rotation was too big and people complained to shorten it. He shortens it, they win, now people are worried about too many minutes to the top guys.

Give a viable alternative for this coach to play his top players less minutes and still get similar production from the team as a whole.

Coach Thibs has a head coaching CAREER of just coaching 8 or 7 players in a 82 game season.

Do u recall when Thibs sat Nate Robinson on the bench the whole season, and needed a 30 minute Nate Robinson to win in the playoff SMH
Coach Thibs 9 man rotation is a one tempo rotation when all 3 of the ball handlers (Brunson/Barrett/Randle) are playing 40 minutes a game. Opponents beat the Knicks by speeding up the offense tempo to seven seconds or less in the 2nd half of the game to outscore the Knicks the last two quarters of the game (The reason the Knicks lose leads so much in the game.
The Raptors 7 man rotation did to us what teams bean doing to them all seasons in the final quarter playing lock defense, and pushing the ball. The Knicks never got the lead in overtime .. Two 40 minute games in two days, or three 40 minute games in four days.
Brunson played 42 minutes gave out 4 Dimes yesterday, today Brunson played 43 minutes and 2 Dimes !!!!!!

joec32033 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

MS wrote:Sums up the season. Every time they turn the corner they give it away.

Lack of execution, selfish play in the fourth, Randle forcing everything, holding the ball, no movement and guys standing around. Julius was unhinged out there. For as good as he has been there is that streak that just makes you nervous.

Thibs needs to find a way to stop playing guys 40 minutes.

It is possible to get Mitch an easy basket occasionally, get grimes a few shots. Can’t keep running the two man with Brunson and Randle all night.

You’re not allowed to say anything negative about Thibs mins distribution. It’s never thibs fault his players are tired 🤷‍♂️

Him doing that got the Knicks where they are record wise. Give a viable alternative instead of just complaining and the incessant too many minutes chatter turns into an actually viable discussion. I said it before first his rotation was too big and people complained to shorten it. He shortens it, they win, now people are worried about too many minutes to the top guys.

Give a viable alternative for this coach to play his top players less minutes and still get similar production from the team as a whole.

Coach Thibs has a head coaching CAREER of just coaching 8 or 7 players in a 82 game season.

Do u recall when Thibs sat Nate Robinson on the bench the whole season, and needed a 30 minute Nate Robinson to win in the playoff SMH
Coach Thibs 9 man rotation is a one tempo rotation when all 3 of the ball handlers (Brunson/Barrett/Randle) are playing 40 minutes a game. Opponents beat the Knicks by speeding up the offense tempo to seven seconds or less in the 2nd half of the game to outscore the Knicks the last two quarters of the game (The reason the Knicks lose leads so much in the game.
The Raptors 7 man rotation did to us what teams bean doing to them all seasons in the final quarter playing lock defense, and pushing the ball. The Knicks never got the lead in overtime .. Two 40 minute games in two days, or three 40 minute games in four days.
Brunson played 42 minutes gave out 4 Dimes yesterday, today Brunson played 43 minutes and 2 Dimes !!!!!!

I'll take this line by line then....

Thibs making a career out of only coaching 7 or 8 players....

2010/11 Bulls....11 players over 12 minutes per game
2011/12 Bulls....11 players over 14 minutes per game
2012/13 Bulls....10 players over 11 minutes per game
2013/14 Bulls....10 players over 15 minutes per game (not counting Marquis Teague played 12.7 over a span of 19 games)
2014/15 Bulls....10 players over 19 minutes per game
2016/17 Wolves...11 players over 12 minutes per game
2017/18 Wolves... 9 players over 16 minutes per game
2018/19 Wolves...16 players over 13 minutes per game (minimum 19 games. This year they nhad more players run through this team than most)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/thiboto99c.html

A career huh?

Benching Nate Robinson....I think you are thinking of Mike D'Antoni.

Nate played 1 season in Chicago (2012/2013), played in 82 games, started 23, and averaged over 25 minutes per game.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinna01.html

You are crying about the Knicks rotation when the Raptors played 7 guys....

Listen...the Knicks bench sucks. Toppin hasn't done anything in his time other than highlight dunks and corner 3's. As of now, Deuce is a defensive sub. Rose is 34, lost a step, is not a good fit with how these Knicks play (their pace is faster, their defense is their calling card. Not ideal for this version of Derrick Rose). Sims is currently a poor man's Mitch. People cried to get Fournier out of the rotation now they cry he isn't in the rotation.

The Knicks bench beside Quickley, is a mish mosh of one dimensional role players. They don't go 9 deep. Hell 9th men on good, not great, but good teams would slot in as our #7.

My humble opinion....Thibs plays the starters less minutes, this isn't a game.

Coach Thibs game rotation says different in each of those seasons u mention.
Celtics coach Doc Rivers and the BIG-3 win a championship, and the Bulls hire Celtics assistant coach Thibs as the Bulls head coach.
Coach Thibs first time as an NBA head coach inherited a Bulls playoff roster.
Thibs coached Deng and Hinrich and D.Rose into injury-prone careers.
Thibs tried to do the same with Carlos Boozer, but Boozer came to the Bulls having his own rules by refusing to play above 30 minutes a game the first half of the regular season.
It was Boozer then Butler's 2-Way dynamics that took coach Thibs pass the first round of the playoffs.