Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:IMHO this is not an outlier type situation, RJ misses a ton of these passes. Basic level stuff.

When RJ locks in to a decision early, he doesn't know how to process other stuff. He got blinders on.

Not sure this is the best example as there are only 3 seconds left on the clock and RJ is covered by 3 guys with no passing lane. Would probably need to see the lead in on this - meaning, could he have passed out earlier?

Agreed he didn't have any real options besides a bad shot at that point. In context to the clock winding down he had to take that shot.

The clip obviously starts at around the 4 or 5 second mark but also cuts off anything before that which may show RJ having even a hint more time.

In the NBA, 4 to 5 seconds is a MASSIVE amount of time to both make a decision and execute it.

RJ ****ed up. Winning players make the right plays more often than not. RJ is more on the NOT side.

So I happened to catch this clip on stream again.

RJ gets the ball just before half court and along sideline with 4.9 seconds left on clock. He dribbles it along the sideline to cross mid court with just over 4 seconds left on clock with literally 4 defenders around him and IQ on the other side of the court ALL ALONE and waving his hands; IQ is near parallel to RJ, only about 5+ feet behind.

RJ uses all 4 seconds to dribble further down court. With 4 guys all around him. IQ still waving, alone, very sad, almost insecure cause of the lack of attention.

It's like when LeBron was screaming and waving at JR with seconds of a tied playoff game winding down.

martin’s hatred is getting so white-hot and pure it’s kind of fun to watch

It does.

Here is my perspective. RJ has so much that has been god-given to him and he has had as great to phenomenal support system around him, literally the perfect opportunity for him to succeed at the highest levels and he can't connect the dots. This is nails on the chalkboard for me.

I get white-hot when I see any young person in that position TBH.

It kills me to see that level of potential not fulfilled, the window is closing for him IMHO. When you see enough of the same mistakes over and over and over, it's when potential closes and his ceiling gets more defined. That's not to say he can't get better but that high end stuff evaporates. I wanna love RJ and just watch him grow, he does have a perfect personality for NY and to succeed and lead the team.

I'd guess his trainers all die a little more inside every year. I know I do from my Knicks love perspective and it's with a player the Knicks picked #3.

Yeah yeah he was sick so there is that, but for the first time in his career I thought I saw some guys hesitate to move ball to him in a few spots. It's starting to crack.

I mean, I want to be wrong and I want someone to tell me why - hard worker ain't gonna cut it, that's average nba standard at best. Yeah, he won't be 23 til this summer but for his time as an athlete in training, his time LEFT to exponentially grow is short.

IMHO RJ barely understands what his strengths are and how to use them and the best he can do is shore up weakness instead of really turn corner and skyrocket.

Martin hitting the hate pipe and found a groove. It happens.

Kind of a weak response. I read every ounce of that and it’s not hatred hiding there it’s purely regret. Me, I thought I saw real upside there and then saw what happened when he got the keys to the car and decided I must have been seeing things. No hatred or regret, I figured I made a mistake in my evaluation and moved on. m is actually invested in this guy and still believes. That’s not hatred that’s love. You gotta love the player to care.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Martin hitting the hate pipe and found a groove. It happens.

Well I am quite high. And bored, got the COVID for first time. Mostly I got 1-day flu and now light cold and runny nose.

Feel the fury

Nope, Nalod, you were right. Just high

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Martin hitting the hate pipe and found a groove. It happens.

Well I am quite high. And bored, got the COVID for first time. Mostly I got 1-day flu and now light cold and runny nose.

Feel the fury

Nope, Nalod, you were right. Just high

Must be going around. I just had the flu and high? Lol 😂 who’s not high these days. Question is high on what?

My UK epiphany: If there is no one to blame for something, there is not much to talk about.

RJ for inconsistency thus create more doubt.
Thibs for not being more Thibs.
Thibs for being too much Thibs.
We don’t win enough.
We don’t lose enough.
Fine someone that annoys us more than team and ride them. PhilC for me.
I found my way to Pano’s heart.
Martin under the weather, take RJ blame up a notch.
Randle good play ruining the “Trade Randle” movement.
Obi not having a good road trip also ruins the “Obi is god”.
Revel in Jazz success ruining his tank campaign is akin to Nets sucking.
Kyrie will be back soon.
Philc resurgence of one liners. Im still trying Pano’s, biting my lip, tongue, and up the meds!
.500 brings the best and worst in us. Hope all stays healthy!

The knicks as a team is not moving forward,they are very inconsistent. The offense is bad and now the defense is getting worse. Can they get Atkinson? Is udoka an option? Han they somehow incorporate something in his contract to keep his pants in check?

EwingsGlass wrote:Just saying, every time over the last decade that the Knicks finished with a winning record. Mike Woodson was part of the coaching staff.

Yes because he’s been the best coach they had in the last two decades…

shinmen wrote:I looked at the stats of our most important players that played more than 1 season + Brunson.
I did not include Grimes since he didn't play much this season and Cam since he didn't play much last season.

Jalen Brunson:
lowest in FG%, 3p% and +/- since at least 2020-21

Julius Randle:
in par with career averages in FG%, 3p% is all over the place but below league average, lowest +/- and rebounds since knicks tenure

RJ:
career low in FG%, 3p% and worst +/- since his first season

IQ:
career low in FG%, 3P% and +/-

D Rose:
lowest FG%, 3P% and +/- (by far) since knicks tenure

Obi:
career low in FG% and +/-, career high in 3P% and rebounds

Mitchell Robinson:
career low in FT%, rebounds and worst +/- since his first season

Almost every of our main players are playing career worst. Unless it's a coincidence and we are very unlucky, the coaching staff has got to take the blame here. They are not using this roster correctly. I don't buy the chemistry issue since they've played together for at least 2 years now. the FO should be looking for a replacement.

Looking at these stats it's amazing that we are almost 500.

Maybe we should be congratulating Thibs on keeping the Knicks in games and winning when maybe they shouldn’t be. But then that is fools gold, like our first season with him.

I am most concerned with RJ. Dude just got extended, and I am not sure that his struggles are related to the pressure of signing the big money deal.

I had hoped Brunson would unlock potential, but maybe it is Thibs system on offense that sucks.

franco12 wrote:

shinmen wrote:I looked at the stats of our most important players that played more than 1 season + Brunson.
I did not include Grimes since he didn't play much this season and Cam since he didn't play much last season.

Jalen Brunson:
lowest in FG%, 3p% and +/- since at least 2020-21

Julius Randle:
in par with career averages in FG%, 3p% is all over the place but below league average, lowest +/- and rebounds since knicks tenure

RJ:
career low in FG%, 3p% and worst +/- since his first season

IQ:
career low in FG%, 3P% and +/-

D Rose:
lowest FG%, 3P% and +/- (by far) since knicks tenure

Obi:
career low in FG% and +/-, career high in 3P% and rebounds

Mitchell Robinson:
career low in FT%, rebounds and worst +/- since his first season

Almost every of our main players are playing career worst. Unless it's a coincidence and we are very unlucky, the coaching staff has got to take the blame here. They are not using this roster correctly. I don't buy the chemistry issue since they've played together for at least 2 years now. the FO should be looking for a replacement.

Looking at these stats it's amazing that we are almost 500.

Maybe we should be congratulating Thibs on keeping the Knicks in games and winning when maybe they shouldn’t be. But then that is fools gold, like our first season with him.

I am most concerned with RJ. Dude just got extended, and I am not sure that his struggles are related to the pressure of signing the big money deal.

I had hoped Brunson would unlock potential, but maybe it is Thibs system on offense that sucks.

RJ is a concern but his history as with many good young players are they make strides then hit a wall. This is our first extended player since Charlie Ward? We don’t understand the process of young players actually ascending.
RJ history does create these annual freak out and he serves up a delicious servings of crow.

I saw a better PHX team beat our team. Im seeing Drose be the solid Pro but our yoot is Inconsistant. Grimes health has been too since he started playing last year. Cam too is fragile. RJ is playing because Grimes minutes are and should be limited and Cam is out. Few days ago I asked the faithful: “You want Evan or RJ”?

This team is far from dysfunctional and Thibs being on the hot seat. He is still managing the game better than many fans have their expectations.