Vmart wrote:

Kemet wrote:The Knicks would've had an above .500 season if coach Thibs would've put the rookie PG McBride in the game rotation back in the month of January, or February.
McBride's talent/skills are way above the G League tournament, plus he played well in lineups having Quickley, Obi, Taj or MitchRob.

Coach Thibs want a PG that could co-exist in a lineup having Randle & Barrett performance.
The Knicks had several PG that couldn't co-exist in a lineup having Randle and Barrett.
1) D.Smith Jr
2) Frank
3) Rivers
4) Payton
5) Kemba
And fans wondered why D.Rose wanted no part of being in the starter lineup having Randle & Barrett.

Most won’t agree with this but Randle missed Payton, they both had good synergy.

Kemet wrote:The Knicks would've had an above .500 season if coach Thibs would've put the rookie PG McBride in the game rotation back in the month of January, or February.
McBride's talent/skills are way above the G League tournament, plus he played well in lineups having Quickley, Obi, Taj or MitchRob.

Coach Thibs want a PG that could co-exist in a lineup having Randle & Barrett performance.
The Knicks had several PG that couldn't co-exist in a lineup having Randle and Barrett.
1) D.Smith Jr
2) Frank
3) Rivers
4) Payton
5) Kemba
And fans wondered why D.Rose wanted no part of being in the starter lineup having Randle & Barrett.

Is that how it went down? Drose did not want to start?
How did he finish games with those two in the line up? I thought Rose did good with them.

So if all those duys did not do well, how we finish 10 games over .500?
I Vmart, I got laughed at for suggesting that somehow thru it all nobody unseated Payton until very late in the season. I prescribe he needed to go and was not the solution, but he wasn’t the problem either.

gradyandrew wrote:

houston20 wrote:Worst case situation i would settle with monk, quickly or tyus jones . The best case situation bruson, russel, sexton,monk, tyus jones,or stay youth.

I can't even remember who or what Milwaukee traded for Jrue Holiday. I don't see any point in signing a replacement level guard. Just let IQ start and hope DRose is healthy. Trade expiring and picks if an all star PG becomes available like Conley, Lillard, Russell, or Westbrook.

It was george hill, Bledsoe and I think 3 first round picks. Holiday was 30 and got a new deal for 30mi per.
Milwaukee had Giannis and had just resigned him with a promise. Remember when Giannis was to leave for bigger market and a team that could build with him? Naturally knicks should clear cap, right?
Milwaukee has its chip and Nola is sititng pretty for the next 10 years.
You do that trade if you have Giannis. In fact, Nola can used some of that for McCollum and still has much left to improve with over time. Twas a win-win.
You don’t do that trade for Holiday without a superstar. We don’t cash it in yet. I said this over a year ago as a blueprint:

1. Draft an all star
2. Sign one in Free agency
3. Then trade for one.

we are seeing the days of a “big three” might be done. “Big two” and a better support might be the way now?
I can see Memphis doing a 3 for 1 deal to pair for Morant.

Knicks: how close are we? Last year Randle was all NBA. This year he was still 20 and 10 but was a sourpuss and too much iso. I know we as a fan base are split as to whether he can take his xanex and pass a bit more. If so you have a near all star. RJ? He avg’d 20. I know the efficiency was not there for both.
Im not saying I need sunglasses becaue the future is so bright, but the assets in place are intriguing.
If Tyus Jones is our savior after 7 seasons as a back up perhaps we ask: If Minny and memphis started him and gave him more minutes would it have sped up his development, or did maturity both physical and mental, and experience bring him to this level? Did he also understand his role with that level of maturity? Sure he wants to start and get starter money. But does that lead to happiness or years of scrutiny and frustrations?
Him as a knick? He excels in a high tempo system. If we can get Randle to play in that, like Bane does ( we have to replicate things as fans because we have no imagination) then he could be an asset. But in my book IQ is a better shooter and way younger.

gradyandrew wrote:Nalod- great post.

I'm 100% with you. If we can get a difference maker than it's worth it to cash in our chips.
The thing that impresses me about that Holiday trade was that NOP didn't get even close to equal value for him. It's worked out for them but I think it's been?more luck than smart management. That team really struggled for the first half of the season.

News from Utah is that they will try to move their guys around Mitchell and Rudy. Conley is a guy I would take a long look at. If Knicks go forward with IQ and Rose off the bench, Conley could bring a lot of stability to the team and might be available.

Conceptually Conley is a good idea but he was awful this year. His defense was a liability. He was part of their problem. With Drose here (for now), and Kemba, adding him might be a bit much?

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Nalod- great post.

I'm 100% with you. If we can get a difference maker than it's worth it to cash in our chips.
The thing that impresses me about that Holiday trade was that NOP didn't get even close to equal value for him. It's worked out for them but I think it's been?more luck than smart management. That team really struggled for the first half of the season.

News from Utah is that they will try to move their guys around Mitchell and Rudy. Conley is a guy I would take a long look at. If Knicks go forward with IQ and Rose off the bench, Conley could bring a lot of stability to the team and might be available.

Conceptually Conley is a good idea but he was awful this year. His defense was a liability. He was part of their problem. With Drose here (for now), and Kemba, adding him might be a bit much?

Agree. Feel we give IQ the chance to be the starter. Rose was viable back up. Still have Deuce and Roka visions. wishing we get something back for Kemba. That failed.
Wrote on another thread that we have always been looking for a tall, defensive PG that can break down defenses. Do not see Tyus or Brunson as that. So why overpay?
Hoping we do BPA in the draft and pick up value FA upgrades. No need to overpay for maybe's.
This will allow us to continue to build tradable assets in case a true difference maker comes along.

Jimbo5 wrote:I think i would like to move on from DRose, try to trade him maybe the FO can find a good return. At this point i would rather take a chance on Tyus Jones. Let him and IQ fight it out for the starting role. jones can give stability to the PG rotation. The knicks actually have an overload of young PGs, its on Johnny Bryant now to develop these PGs, im hoping Deuce can be the knicks version of Marcus smart. A trio of Jones IQ and Deuce looks alot better that this year's rotation of Burk, IQ, walker, and DRose.

IMHO there is zero chance Tyus leaves Memphis.

In what scenario do you see him forcing his way to the Knicks? There is just no taking a chance on him.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I think i would like to move on from DRose, try to trade him maybe the FO can find a good return. At this point i would rather take a chance on Tyus Jones. Let him and IQ fight it out for the starting role. jones can give stability to the PG rotation. The knicks actually have an overload of young PGs, its on Johnny Bryant now to develop these PGs, im hoping Deuce can be the knicks version of Marcus smart. A trio of Jones IQ and Deuce looks alot better that this year's rotation of Burk, IQ, walker, and DRose.

IMHO there is zero chance Tyus leaves Memphis.

In what scenario do you see him forcing his way to the Knicks? There is just no taking a chance on him.

Tyus is unrestricted, yes?
He can "tie us" down if we pay him? Yes?

Knicks will only have the MLE to pay him. Why would he leave Memphis to come to the Knicks for the MLE when he can get that from any team with the MLE? And why would Memphis let him go to another team by refusing to pay him just above the MLE?

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I think i would like to move on from DRose, try to trade him maybe the FO can find a good return. At this point i would rather take a chance on Tyus Jones. Let him and IQ fight it out for the starting role. jones can give stability to the PG rotation. The knicks actually have an overload of young PGs, its on Johnny Bryant now to develop these PGs, im hoping Deuce can be the knicks version of Marcus smart. A trio of Jones IQ and Deuce looks alot better that this year's rotation of Burk, IQ, walker, and DRose.

IMHO there is zero chance Tyus leaves Memphis.

In what scenario do you see him forcing his way to the Knicks? There is just no taking a chance on him.

Tyus is unrestricted, yes?
He can "tie us" down if we pay him? Yes?

Knicks will only have the MLE to pay him. Why would he leave Memphis to come to the Knicks for the MLE when he can get that from any team with the MLE? And why would Memphis let him go to another team by refusing to pay him just above the MLE?

True. And we just assume knicks cannot make any changes to free up space? Teams do it every year. its a waste of time to even look at some teams and predict what they can do.
But Your no incorrect.

I am just being realistic. Knicks cap is at $120M for next year without their draft pick and without Mitch cap hold which is small.

NBA salary cap will sit at $122M.

The scenario you are suggesting is that the Knicks will trade away ~$20M in salary while getting nothing in return to sign a backup PG while also having IQ, Rokas, McBride, Rose on the roster?

Not feasible.

And you are also assuming Memphis would allow this to happen too. From Memphis point of view, they would be turning away a key player who they know they will have to rely on cause Ja gonna be injured a lot in his career just because they don't want to pay him a few extra million a year?

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I think i would like to move on from DRose, try to trade him maybe the FO can find a good return. At this point i would rather take a chance on Tyus Jones. Let him and IQ fight it out for the starting role. jones can give stability to the PG rotation. The knicks actually have an overload of young PGs, its on Johnny Bryant now to develop these PGs, im hoping Deuce can be the knicks version of Marcus smart. A trio of Jones IQ and Deuce looks alot better that this year's rotation of Burk, IQ, walker, and DRose.

IMHO there is zero chance Tyus leaves Memphis.

In what scenario do you see him forcing his way to the Knicks? There is just no taking a chance on him.

Tyus is unrestricted, yes?
He can "tie us" down if we pay him? Yes?

Knicks will only have the MLE to pay him. Why would he leave Memphis to come to the Knicks for the MLE when he can get that from any team with the MLE? And why would Memphis let him go to another team by refusing to pay him just above the MLE?

True. And we just assume knicks cannot make any changes to free up space? Teams do it every year. its a waste of time to even look at some teams and predict what they can do.
But Your no incorrect.

I am just being realistic. Knicks cap is at $120M for next year without their draft pick and without Mitch cap hold which is small.

NBA salary cap will sit at $122M.

The scenario you are suggesting is that the Knicks will trade away ~$20M in salary while getting nothing in return to sign a backup PG while also having IQ, Rokas, McBride, Rose on the roster?

Not feasible.

And you are also assuming Memphis would allow this to happen too. From Memphis point of view, they would be turning away a key player who they know they will have to rely on cause Ja gonna be injured a lot in his career just because they don't want to pay him a few extra million a year?

Im not assuming. all these scenarios are low prob every year. WE can trade mitch straight up for Brunson if all agreed on price. "throw in a 2nd" to sweeten it.
Memphis has chip aspirations? Drose makes 13. About right for Tie Us. Full circle back to his college town......Its silly right? Is Burks untradable for with his 10 mil on the books?
All can be done three way. But your likely correct.