jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

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BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

One thing I will say is whoever wrote that Player Tribune article for him last year deserves an Oscar or Golden Globe for best original screenplay or something- such a fantastic piece of absolute fiction that a lot of us bought! In retrospect you can tell it was just BS fluff because we were looking into moving him before the season (drafting Obi, the rumoured Hield trade), so how could it have been true that he met with Rose and Wes over dinner in the offseason and they asked him what he needed and that's why they brought in Thibs etc, because he wanted to be held accountable, had learned the woes of selfishess and being a bad teammate etc etc- laughable really, now when you look back on it.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

I think we are already seeing that switch. RJ usage and they way the Knicks have asked Randle to play seem to indicate that to me

I suspect we trade spare parts and IQ for CJ and if IQ is the only young guy we give up that's pretty good. CJ would be best scorer on the team from the start.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect Randle may have a nagging injury and is struggling with the weight of expectations as the losses mount up... I also think Thibs is probably laying into him and when you add the fan reaction - it piles up. His possible injury could explain why (aside from 1st half of Lakers game) he has seemed to play even slower than usual, hold the ball more and has been less effective. There is always a reason and why we may never learn the truth - I doubt he just got that much worse unless it's an injury or psychological thing... don't think it's all Kemba and/or EF's fault

I say why not? Adding Kemba and EFs is about fit. If they don't fit, their addition can impact Randle. The other issue, where I agree with, is self pressure to perform as good or better than last year. Also the expectations of receiving some grace from fans and the the media, that Randle might think he deserve. And the booing and negative articles contradicts the level of grace Randle was expecting, for the amount of work and achievements he put in last year.

Is Randle worth building a team around? Real talk, the team was at the same spot it was last year before the Rose trade. The team wasn't playing significantly better with Bullock and Elf prior to Rose and the playoffs showed they weren't good enough as starters. Well, in Elf's case, it showed he wasn't good enough to be on the roster. If Randle isn't good enough to adjust, then the Knicks need to move on. Shaq and Kobe hated each other. They made it work. Jordan and Pippen weren't chummy, but they made it work. KD was neve comfortable in GSW but he made it work. Those guys are HOFers. Randle, for most of his tenure here, looks more like a 6th man. I don't see how you build a team around that.

You don't...but, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO resets the roster for a third time around Randle

if they have a brain they should be building around RJ, though with RJ it's more like building with rather than around

I think we are already seeing that switch. RJ usage and they way the Knicks have asked Randle to play seem to indicate that to me

right. Plus bringing in Cam wasn't a coincidence (and maybe Zion after his bout with WeightWatchers. Thibs wants team ball. Look at the guys he had all of whom were at least if not more talented than Randle and none had the negative BS: rose, butler, noah in his prime. So Thibs is probably fed up with this BS.

RJ has received negative criticism and has had a more mature way of dealing with even though he's so much younger. Randle is smart but his emotions and the way he expresses himself is becoming a big issue and distracting. (Like Aaron Rodgers in football (with less talent so who wants the prima donna stuff).

Nalod wrote:OMG, we to keep piling on randle because we did not like this attitude with the video guy?
Does it matter why he was upset? Or we in "how dare he disrespect the laptop guy. If he does him, he does me?"
From "reports" I read, the guy was showing Randle how to better clean up his hard drive and Randle was like "Really? can we wait until later?"
Im kidding. WTF knows what got him. Maybe he was upset that the price on Bounty paper towels went on sale and he over paid?
Or the coach was like "hey, look what they saying on ULTIMATEKNICKS about you!"

This had me cracking up.